Will Fanboys Ever Learn?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So it seems that some are actually shocked by the terrible opening of Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, but the question is, why? Did Kick Ass, after tons of marketing and hype, not open to only 19.8mil and have s**t legs early this year? In April actually. Now that movie wasn't a bomb like Pilgrim because of it's budget but Lion's Gate can't be happy about it's gross because they bought it and sunk tons of money into marketing it. Yes it did well this week on DVD but nobody is going to be making alot of cash on it. It's a disappointment if you have any knowlege of how the boxoffice works. The people who are okay with it's gross are the people who made it.

Why do the fanboys keep doing this to themselves everytime a movie that only appeals to a select group opens? Why do they believe that it's going to turn into some big hit when it never does?

Watchmen was supposed to be a huge hit (I thought that it could be and I really enjoyed it) but despite a big opening it only made a little over 100mil. The Incredible Hulk was supposed to be a big hit and yet it wasn't and a sequel doesn't look to be in the cards. Both films were championed by the geeks and neither of them did nearly as well as many thought they would. Now these movies actually did gross 100mil so thats something but still they did not hit the way fanboys said that they would. They are underperformers.

By now we should know that these type of films just aren't going to be huge blockbusters. We should stop letting the comic con hype get in the way of our predictions of their boxoffice. I'm not talking about rather they deserved to be big hits or if they are good movies or not. The facts is we should stop pretending that everybody's taste is going to mirror our own. We should realize that internet hype means jack s**t when it comes to what people really want to see.

Like it or not, most don't give a f**k about:

Hot Tube Time Mahchine

Kick Ass

Scott Pilgrim

Snakes on a Plane

They aren't failing to make bank because of bad marketing or a bad release date, they are failing because alot of people rightly or wrongly think that they look stupid. They are movies for a select group of people and the sooner my fellow nerds realize that the better off they will be when those low boxoffice numbers come in. Just relax and enjoy the show, no need to rail against people for the rejecting the lastest nerd's only movie.

The studios should also stop overestimating the audience for these films. Scott Pilgrim is not as mainstream as Batman and Spider-Man just because they came from comicbooks or graphic novels. They aren't the same thing.

Discuss.

 

[Project862006]

mis marketing can really help imo look at watchmen if it was marketed as a crime drama it might of made less

kick ass might of done better if it was marketed as a young kid wanting to step up to the criminals and filth of his city and no the punk rock music they played in trailer lol

Also it was a very bad move to show chris evan tossing cera into a building in trailers

 

[I'm Old Greg]

Watchmen should have been marketed as an R film, but the film isn't perfect at all.

same for Kickass. I had no idea what the heck it was until i read the comic. I thought it was a lame Nick Cage movie at first, it came off like comic book overload just stop making them.

hot tub time machine, haven't seen it yet!

The first Hulk was nothing anyone wanted, it was long and boring.

Scott Pilgrim, the commercials make it look obnoxious as hell, who really wants to see a film about a guy fighting to death for a hoe bag that has little interest in the title character unless he kills her ex's? Its pretentious and can turn people off.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I guarantee you there will be another hardcore nerd/geek/fanboys friendly flick that gets over-hyped and subsequently under-performs or bombs. They were never learn from the past. Ever.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I guarantee you there will be another hardcore nerd/geek/fanboys friendly flick that gets over-hyped and subsequently under-performs or bombs. They were never learn from the past. Ever.

Deep down I know that but I just want to try to shake common sense into some of them atleast.

And Machete is the next fanboy over-hyped movie. It's being directed by a nerd director after all.

 

[Jackasscoley15]

Watchmen should have been marketed as an R film, but the film isn't perfect at all.

same for Kickass. I had no idea what the heck it was until i read the comic. I thought it was a lame Nick Cage movie at first, it came off like comic book overload just stop making them.

hot tub time machine, haven't seen it yet!

The first Hulk was nothing anyone wanted, it was long and boring.

Scott Pilgrim, the commercials make it look obnoxious as hell, who really wants to see a film about a guy fighting to death for a hoe bag that has little interest in the title character unless he kills her ex's? Its pretentious and can turn people off.

I believe she was referencing the second Hulk movie.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

ohh right..that wasn't bad just wasn't Great. would have worked as a first movie start.. did it do that bad at the B.O?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I wouldn't have writen it's name if I wasn't. So, you are correct sir.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Fanboys will always find something to nitpick about. That's not gonna change.

 

[Tron Bonne]

And, yet, as I told you before, the majority of people posting in the Scott Pilgrim thread knew it was probably going to under perform, and was saying stuff in relation a very, very long time before you started posting in that thread post-release. I'm not entirely sure why you keep wanting to beat this point when you're essentially preaching to the choir.

I mean, sure, their were some who were surprised, but most at least voiced the realization it would be a very difficult sell.

 

[C. Lee]

ohh right..that wasn't bad just wasn't Great. would have worked as a first movie start.. did it do that bad at the B.O?

It didn't do bad...just didn't do fantastic...and afterall, comic book movies are suopposed to do fantastic or they are no good. Box office counts more than content you know.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not just talking about Scott Pilgrim though, I'm talking about every nerd movie that fails. Scott Pilgrim bombing ofcourse brought up my feelings about this issue again so I decided to start a thread.

It didn't do bad...just didn't do fantastic...and afterall, comic book movies are suopposed to do fantastic or they are no good. Box office counts more than content you know.

I have never said that boxoffice equals quality. Never.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I'll openly admit this is early. But I'd go ahead and say X-Men: First Class and the Spider-Man reboot are going to get ******-crazy nerd/geek/fanboy hype. In both cases, you're most likely looking at under-performers - regardless of quality.

First Class is following X3 and Wolverine - both opened huge but plummeted in the second weekend. People have been burned by this franchise twice now and will be very cautious next summer. I'll be surprised if it doesn't open lower than the original back in July 2000 (which was around $55 million).

Spider-Man 3 was the highest grosser in the series worldwide, but that was built on how much everyone loved the first two and the promise of finally seeing Venom. As we all know it was...truly hated by everyone. I guarantee you we're going to hear a lot of regular people ask, "Why did they replace Tobey?" and not understanding the logic of rebooting so soon. Plus opening the reboot days after Star Trek 2 and two weeks before Batman 3 is beyond foolish. It's going to get eaten alive.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I'm not just talking about Scott Pilgrim though, I'm talking about every nerd movie that fails. Scott Pilgrim bombing ofcourse brought up my feelings about this issue again so I decided to start a thread.

You're right, my bad. I just kind of zoomed into the Scott Pilgrim aspect since I knew it spurned it, and we had this discussion before. So, I apologize if that came off a little too harshly

Anyway, as far as Kick-Ass, I think many were banking for a repeat of Wanted, since they were both a Millar work. That, and honestly, I thought it seemed to have the cool factor in most of the previews I saw that could potentially see attracting the GA (at least more than it did, anyhow). It didn't seem as alienating as Scott Pilgrim did, for example.

And Watchmen is a pretty renowned title both inside and outside the comic community, so I can understand why people expected more on that one.

Not sure on the other ones, though, not really watched them

 

[Hush]

To answer the question, no. They/We wont ever learn but hey who cares? If they/we get dissapointed thats on us and no one else. All the movies you have mentioned have done GREAT on DVD/Blu-ray (the ones that have been released) so I mean are they failures if they do well in another medium?

 

[Hush]

You're right, my bad. I just kind of zoomed into the Scott Pilgrim aspect since I knew it spurned it, and we had this discussion before. So, I apologize if that came off a little too harshly

Anyway, as far as Kick-Ass, I think many were banking for a repeat of Wanted, since they were both a Millar work. That, and honestly, I thought it seemed to have the cool factor in most of the previews I saw that could potentially see attracting the GA (at least more than it did, anyhow). It didn't seem as alienating as Scott Pilgrim did, for example.

And Watchmen is a pretty renowned title both inside and outside the comic community, so I can understand why people expected more on that one.

Not sure on the other ones, though, not really watched them

Watchmen and Kick-Ass are automatically hard sells for being rated R, you say Wanted is rated R, well yes but that had Jolie and obviously she pulls in a bigger audience than Cage and a cast of unknowns. As for Watchmen, its Rated R and is almost COMPLETELY made up of unknowns pretty much, so for what it did I would say it didnt do half bad.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'll openly admit this is early. But I'd go ahead and say X-Men: First Class and the Spider-Man reboot are going to get ******-crazy nerd/geek/fanboy hype. In both cases, you're most likely looking at under-performers - regardless of quality.

First Class is following X3 and Wolverine - both opened huge but plummeted in the second weekend. People have been burned by this franchise twice now and will be very cautious next summer. I'll be surprised if it doesn't open lower than the original back in July 2000 (which was around $55 million).

Spider-Man 3 was the highest grosser in the series worldwide, but that was built on how much everyone loved the first two and the promise of finally seeing Venom. As we all know it was...truly hated by everyone. I guarantee you we're going to hear a lot of regular people ask, "Why did they replace Tobey?" Plus opening the reboot days after Star Trek 2 and two weeks before Batman 3 is beyond foolish. It's going to get eaten alive.

Fantastic observation. I agree with you whole heartedly. X3 and Wolverine will hurt First Class and Spider-Man 3, the quick reboot idea and the release date will kill the Spider-Man reboot. Trek will be even bigger than the first if Paramount gets together a better marketing campaign than they did with Iron Man 2 and the movie is a step up in quality or not a huge drop in it like Iron Man 2.

 

[C. Lee]

I have never said that boxoffice equals quality. Never.

I didn't say you did. I am referencing the many on the boards who do feel that way.

 

[C. Lee]

Spider-Man 3 was the highest grosser in the series worldwide, but that was built on how much everyone loved the first two and the promise of finally seeing Venom. As we all know it was...truly hated by everyone.

Maybe hated by many...but not everyone.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Maybe hated by many...but not everyone.

True. Hated by most.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Fantastic observation. I agree with you whole heartedly. X3 and Wolverine will hurt First Class and Spider-Man 3, the quick reboot idea and the release date will kill the Spider-Man reboot. Trek will be even bigger than the first if Paramount gets together a better marketing campaign than they did with Iron Man 2 and the movie is a step up in quality or not a huge drop in it like Iron Man 2.

Batman 3 and the Trek sequel are going to be huge. Regardless of quality. People will show up in droves. Both franchises have built up good will with the public after Batman Begins/The Dark Knight and the Trek reboot.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

You do realize you post on a site called Superhero Hype right? Be a little more self-aware the next time you call other people fanboys.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Can't wait to see how Trek 2 opens. Given that the film was a surprise hit (at least for me anyway) and then DVD sales. 2012 is gonna be great.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You do realize you post on a site called Superhero Hype right? Be a little more self-aware the next time you call other people fanboys.

"we should know that these type of films just aren't going to be huge blockbusters."

That is a direct quote from my opening post. Your observation is wrong.

 

[Figs]

You do realize you post on a site called Superhero Hype right? Be a little more self-aware the next time you call other people fanboys.

I think when he/she(not sure who you were referring to)said fanboys they use it the same way I do. I only use that term in regards to the extreme fans that need to calm down a bit. Everyone else(including myself)I just refer to as hardcore fans/comic fans.