Have The Terrorists Won?

[hippie_hunter]

at the moment the vast majority of america disapproves of our President and his Administration as well as our GOP controlled Congress.

I wasn't saying that at all. Yes people are disappointed in our mediocre President and yes people are disappointed by our incompetent Congress (I blame the Democrats as equally as the Republicans).

But what Jourmugand saying things such as the American economy is on the verge of collapse, the entire world wants to destroy the United States, and believing TheSumOfGod's crazy ass conspiracies, is just not true.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Have they won? No. Can they win? Yes, but it would be extremely difficult. It would take several major terrorist attacks fo rus to give up fighing, along the lines of a couple cities destroyed or a biological attack. Can we win? I dont think so, but we wont quit easily either. Like people have said, ideas cant be killed. We would need to nuke a few countries before we may get them to quit, but I think that would just embolden them more. America's policy towards Israel and the rest of the Middle East wont change anytime soon, so that will keep the wind in the terrorists sails, too.

Basically, I see the War on Terror being a back and forth effort lasting decades, if not longer: a new Cold War.

 

[Prognosticator]

Stupid question!

Terror is nothing more than hate acted out... Can you force someone to stop hating? No.

Does someone "win" just because they hate something enough to act on it? Of course not.

Are we in freaking chains and being beaten for speaking English and worshiping a Christian God...or administering free speech for that matter???

Then how in the world could the terrorists have won???

...On a more sarcastic note, I'm sure that if the terrorists "had" won, celebrities like George Clooney would be on TV telling us that its for the best and in our best interest!

 

[Corinthian™]

"I don't care."

what's "K'air"?

 

[Matt]

Yes. They are setting up the United States to play second fiddle to China. They have destroyed our economy (the 9/11 recession still hasn't recovered), they have caused two wars which have resulted in the deficit reaching record highs. Their long term goals are seemingly being accomplished. In other words, the U.S. may be winning the battle...but if our current course does not stray, the terrorists will win the war.

 

[ScottyBBadd]

No they have not. They wanted to ahnilate the US. They haven't.

Nor will they.

 

[Matt]

No they have not. They wanted to ahnilate the US. They haven't.

Common misconception caused by politicians finding it easier to say "They hate freedom" as opposed to what really happened.

Bin Laden has never once said he wishes to destroy the Untied States nor has he ever said he wants to convert it to Islam.

Osama Bin Laden releases a Fatwa following 9/11 with three demands.

1) Americans leave the Arabian Penninsula
2) Americans stop bombing Iraqis
3) America stops supporting Israel.

There have continued to be his demands. He has never once said he wishes to destroy freedom, Christianity, or the U.S.

Not that I am defending Bin Laden, but to beat your enemy you must know him and this entire "hates freedom" concept people have is stupid.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I wasn't saying that at all. Yes people are disappointed in our mediocre President and yes people are disappointed by our incompetent Congress (I blame the Democrats as equally as the Republicans).

But what Jourmugand saying things such as the American economy is on the verge of collapse, the entire world wants to destroy the United States, and believing TheSumOfGod's crazy ass conspiracies, is just not true.

Our economy is growing pretty strong right now, but if we don't make some different choices regarding taxes, borrowing, and spending then our econimc future is at great risk. The deficit comes to 30,000 per person now. We are merely getting government services that we aren't paying for. In other words, we are borrowing spending power that we would otherwise have in the future. There is a difference between doing financially well, and using your credit cards to pay for everything. There is a very big difference.

blaming the democrats for these problems is kind of unjustified. Republicans have had control for a while now. Dems=tax and spend
rep=borrow and spend even more.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Common misconception caused by politicians finding it easier to say "They hate freedom" as opposed to what really happened.

Bin Laden has never once said he wishes to destroy the Untied States nor has he ever said he wants to convert it to Islam.

Osama Bin Laden releases a Fatwa following 9/11 with three demands.

1) Americans leave the Arabian Penninsula
2) Americans stop bombing Iraqis
3) America stops supporting Israel.

There have continued to be his demands. He has never once said he wishes to destroy freedom, Christianity, or the U.S.

Not that I am defending Bin Laden, but to beat your enemy you must know him and this entire "hates freedom" concept people have is stupid.

well he is afraid that America could create freedom in the middle east. he did release a tape a while ago, tleling the Iraqis that freedom and democracy in Iraq could cause homo-sexual civil rights debates like we have in America.

but nonetheless, he could care less whether we all died tomorrow or lived happily ever after if we had nothing to do with the middle east.

 

[8Ball2/JanG5]

What do you think?

Define terrorist.

Aha, you have arrived at your answer. There you go.

 

[Spider-Bite]

True, but its annoying when people, because of their dislike for Bush, will try to cast anything and everything about America in the worst light possible....no matter how absurd it is.

I don't do that. If people hated America they wouldn't even care about politics. sometimes poeple give and get the wrong impression during debates. I don't believe I have done that.

 

[logansoldcigar]

Dont hate America. Dont hate americans. never met an american that i didnt like. (hell, im sure if i met Lazur he would great company over a beer)I struggle with the degree to which some americans take their religion.(but i struggle with the idea of anyone being a religous fascist) I hate the fact that art forms are censored as to not upset the American Consertative Christian (ie the His dark materials adaptation, book burners ect), but i also struggle with the idea of not calling Christmas Christmas to avoid upsetting other religions. (it is very interesting, IMO, that Buddhism is about the only religion where people dont run around being offended, or doesnt have people being offended on its behalf)

so , having covered that, to answer the question. have the terrorists won.
I can only talk about the UK here. But when we have compulsary ID cards due to be brought in , in the name of "security", then yep. they have. every little freedom that we let be eroded in the name of security is a victory for them.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Our economy is growing pretty strong right now, but if we don't make some different choices regarding taxes, borrowing, and spending then our econimc future is at great risk. The deficit comes to 30,000 per person now. We are merely getting government services that we aren't paying for. In other words, we are borrowing spending power that we would otherwise have in the future. There is a difference between doing financially well, and using your credit cards to pay for everything. There is a very big difference.

Agreed. It is going to bite us in the ass someday. Bush is a fiscal ****** and I agree with you 100% on this.

blaming the democrats for these problems is kind of unjustified. Republicans have had control for a while now. Dems=tax and spend
rep=borrow and spend even more.

I blame the Republicans for tainting Congress with scandal. I blame the Democrats for Congresses ineptitude because they threaten to filibuster almost everything Bush wants even if it was a good idea. What irks me about the Republicans is because they are supposed to be the party that represents the party of less spending which I support, but with people such as George Bush and Ted Stevens, that is not the case. The Democrats would have done the same thing too so they are equally guilty with the spending, but the Democrats are meant to be the big spenders. The Republicans are worse at the moment because they are supposed to be the opposite of big spending, the party of fiscal responsibility and they are not doing what they represent.

Right now, both parties suck at Congress, hence why I want a new party that doesn't belong to neither party to grow in power. A moderate party one that takes all three aspects of spending: military, social, and fiscal. One that is not too far right wing and not too far left wing.

 

[Admiral_N8]

I don't do that. If people hated America they wouldn't even care about politics. sometimes poeple give and get the wrong impression during debates. I don't believe I have done that.

Ya I wasnt talking about you, just people in general. I have no idea what youre like.