HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - Part 13

[ThePhantasm]

GoT is popular, but I see nothing in the books that suggests it will be an enduring classic like Sherlock Holmes or Lord of the Rings.

 

[Reek]

GoT is popular, but I see nothing in the books that suggests it will be an enduring classic like Sherlock Holmes or Lord of the Rings.

its still being written so thats a bit premature.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I don't think so.

Call me in a hundred years and we'll see who is right.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I can see a Song of Ice and Fire reaching the same level of reverence as Conan the Barbarian.

 

[ThePhantasm]

In other words, small cult following.

I can see that.

 

[Victarion]

Alternatively, everyone knows the title but not that much about the actual stories. Like with Conan. Since we're talking about ASOIAF's potential legacy, I think this is a good place to kind of discuss the fantasy genre. I got into ASOIAF after hearing about how this series was dark, gritty, and or grimdark fantasy. It doesn't really come close to being overly dark or grimdark. There's some dark, yet beautiful, stories within the series, but overall I find to to simply be "honest" high fantasy.

I see stuff like certain entries from the Malazan Book of the Fallen, and Michael Moorcock's novel Stormbringer as being more in line with "grimdark." Anyway, ASOIAF has inspired a pretty big backlash within the fantasy community. Apparently it's a morally bankrupt series that is unbearably vulgar, glorifies rape culture, and is relentlessly bleak. In other words, it's a sharp departure from the clean, sterile and sunny world of LOTR. So it, along with other novels (mostly by Abercrombie, it seems. He's been in a few online debates about the trends in gritty fantasy), represent a kind of moral decay within the fantasy genre, its readers, and its authors.

So I see ASOIAF as having more infamy within the genre. A major influence that's here to stay. For better or worse.

 

[jonathancrane]

LotR had mixed reception upon its publication; it was not until it was released in paperback and gobbled up by the hippies, did it become a blockbuster series.

 

[Victarion]

It also got a Led Zep song.

 

[jonathancrane]

Yeah, a Plant and Co referenced the works frequently: "Ramble On," "Misty Mountain Hop," and another one I cannot presently recall. My favorite claim of the band referring to the work came with a blog post I found several years ago; in it, the writer – who I suspected had smoked a bit of ganja before writing it – claimed that "Bron Yr Aur Stomp" was about Sam planting Galadriel's seeds in the Shire, after the War.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Alternatively, everyone knows the title but not that much about the actual stories. Like with Conan. Since we're talking about ASOIAF's potential legacy, I think this is a good place to kind of discuss the fantasy genre. I got into ASOIAF after hearing about how this series was dark, gritty, and or grimdark fantasy. It doesn't really come close to being overly dark or grimdark. There's some dark, yet beautiful, stories within the series, but overall I find to to simply be "honest" high fantasy.

I see stuff like certain entries from the Malazan Book of the Fallen, and Michael Moorcock's novel Stormbringer as being more in line with "grimdark." Anyway, ASOIAF has inspired a pretty big backlash within the fantasy community. Apparently it's a morally bankrupt series that is unbearably vulgar, glorifies rape culture, and is relentlessly bleak. In other words, it's a sharp departure from the clean, sterile and sunny world of LOTR. So it, along with other novels (mostly by Abercrombie, it seems. He's been in a few online debates about the trends in gritty fantasy), represent a kind of moral decay within the fantasy genre, its readers, and its authors.

So I see ASOIAF as having more infamy within the genre. A major influence that's here to stay. For better or worse.

Yeah I definitely think GRRM has left his mark on the fantasy genre. Outside of Tolkien and Howard I can't really think an author that has impacted the genre in such a way.


And Abercrombie is a beast. Bless his black heart

 

[Roose Bolton]

Something occurs to me.

In season 1 we see Catelyn making "stick things" when she prays for Bran. She does so again after her father dies in season 3. So all across the Riverlands there are little stick things left all over the place. Stick things. Think about it.

Where else do we find stick things? At the scene of the Dora Lang murder and all across Louisiana satanic crime scenes. Coincidence? Maybe, but when you realize that not only are the stick things being left around the place, but there is an actual city in Essos called CARCOSA: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Carcosa.

That's right.

Catelyn Stark is none other than the Yellow King.

 

[Marvolo]

Something occurs to me.

In season 1 we see Catelyn making "stick things" when she prays for Bran. She does so again after her father dies in season 3. So all across the Riverlands there are little stick things left all over the place. Stick things. Think about it.

Where else do we find stick things? At the scene of the Dora Lang murder and all across Louisiana satanic crime scenes. Coincidence? Maybe, but when you realize that not only are the stick things being left around the place, but there is an actual city in Essos called CARCOSA: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Carcosa.

That's right.

Catelyn Stark is none other than the Yellow King.

 

[Maximus One]

I can't believe there actually is a city in Essos called Carcosa. That's awesome

 

[Reek]

Spoiler

 

[Maximus One]

I can't believe there actually is a city in Essos called Carcosa. That's awesome

 

[Reek]

Calm down

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think Catelyn had a real good time after Winter came. Chaos. People missing, people gone, Night's Watch gone. I'm thinking she had a real good year.

 

[Reek]

what the **** is your problem?

 

[Roose Bolton]

You haven't made flowers in three weeks.

 

[Reek]

In the beginning, there was only dark. You ask me, the light's winning.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah I definitely think GRRM has left his mark on the fantasy genre. Outside of Tolkien and Howard I can't really think an author that has impacted the genre in such a way.


And Abercrombie is a beast. Bless his black heart

Rowling by far has had a bigger impact. She sparked the genre, made it relevant again. Sprawled more copycats then you can count. She got a whole generation of kids reading. She has sold countless more books. Her books were turned into a mult-billion dollar film franchise. The final film is the 4th highest grossing film of all time.

 

[Reek]

.......always

 

[Kane52630]

Something occurs to me.

In season 1 we see Catelyn making "stick things" when she prays for Bran. She does so again after her father dies in season 3. So all across the Riverlands there are little stick things left all over the place. Stick things. Think about it.

Where else do we find stick things? At the scene of the Dora Lang murder and all across Louisiana satanic crime scenes. Coincidence? Maybe, but when you realize that not only are the stick things being left around the place, but there is an actual city in Essos called CARCOSA: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Carcosa.

That's right.

Catelyn Stark is none other than the Yellow King.

My family has been here a long, long time.

 

[Sawyer]

Something occurs to me.

In season 1 we see Catelyn making "stick things" when she prays for Bran. She does so again after her father dies in season 3. So all across the Riverlands there are little stick things left all over the place. Stick things. Think about it.

Where else do we find stick things? At the scene of the Dora Lang murder and all across Louisiana satanic crime scenes. Coincidence? Maybe, but when you realize that not only are the stick things being left around the place, but there is an actual city in Essos called CARCOSA: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Carcosa.

That's right.

Catelyn Stark is none other than the Yellow King.

Stop saying **** like that. It's unprofessional.

 

[Reek]

Keep going, little Princes