HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - - Part 14

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Some people make Jaime sound like Gregor Clegane or something...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Some people make Jaime sound like Gregor Clegane or something...

Rape is a very sensitive subject, so I understand the reaction. But in context, it feels a bit like reaching.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

...rape isn't subjective at all.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

...rape isn't subjective at all.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

oh, sorry I misread your post.

 

[Hush]

...rape isn't subjective at all.

That isn't what he said so why say what you said?

 

[DarkSovereignty]

I've already said that I misread what he said, and apologized for what I said....said

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[kvz5]

 

[Hush]

I've already said that I misread what he said, and apologized for what I said....said

Missed that! Sorry! You clearly said something in regard to what he said.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Just Sayin'

 

[The Gaige]

 

[TheBat812]

Yeah, I know his character did that, but you're telling me the original actor playing Daario couldn't have done the same thing? It's not just about the action; it's about the attitude. If this guy has it, I haven't seen it yet. Maybe it's just because he's only been in a few scenes, I don't know.

I agree with you. I actually liked the other actor, it was more the characterization of Danarys in response to his character that was off-putting. Otherwise, the new guys' fine, but definitely hasn't seem worth the recast by this point.

 

[Rowsdower!]

The original actor chose to be in The Transporter, which is probably going to start being a direct-to-video franchise soon. I don't see any reason to lament him chasing more money in a dead-end franchise. New Daario hasn't had more time to shine and I think he'll be a better casting in the long run.

A bunch of sites have been saying that but I have yet to see any proof that he jumped ship to star in that Transporter movie. From what I've been able to discern from the whole thing, he got the ax from the show almost immediately after the last season ended, apparently, because they wanted to bring the new guy onto the show. The Transporter thing was only announced recently. Maybe he already had the deal worked out, but it seems pretty strange that he would have signed onto that film almost a year ago but they waited until now to announce it.

 

[Victarion]

This scene with Jaime helps set up Cersei's arc. Non book readers, don't click the spoilers (AFFC spoilers)

Spoiler

Her father pretty much pissed on her dead son and stole her last child right out from under her. Her younger brother killed her firstborn (so she believes). Her other brother did that thing with her. Taken together, it better rationalizes some of the kneejerk decisions Cersei made in A Feast For Crows while acting as queen regent.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

GRRM on the Jaime/Cersei scene:

As for your question... I think the "butterfly effect" that I have spoken of so often was at work here. In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey's death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.

The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other's company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why Dan & David played the sept out differently. But that's just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.

Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime's POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don't know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.

If the show had retained some of Cersei's dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression -- but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.

That's really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing... but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It seems so insane that Cersei thinks Tyrion would be that stupid to kill Joffrey in such a manner. But that is how much she hates for no actual reason. Tywin makes sense. He probably knows Tyrion didn't do it, but he wants rid of him. Jaime knows better.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

It seems so insane that Cersei thinks Tyrion would be that stupid to kill Joffrey in such a manner. But that is how much she hates for no actual reason. Tywin makes sense. He probably knows Tyrion didn't do it, but he wants rid of him. Jaime knows better.

I find it funny that compared to this, Tyrion is certain that Cersei isn't behind Joffrey's murder.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I find it funny that compared to this, Tyrion is certain that Cersei isn't behind Joffrey's murder.

Yep. I loved that conversation in the episode. It was pretty perfect really.

 

[Drz]

Glad to know even GRMM didn't like the rape scene.

 

[Drizzle]

 

[Keyser Soze]

Yes, Jaime raped Cersei, and yes it was a vile act and disturbing to watch. But I find it strange to see people saying that because of this, they're not sure if they can continue to like the guy that pushed a little boy out a window in the first episode....

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Yeah, I really didn't like Jaime raping Cersei. Cersei is such an evil b**ch but no one deserves to be raped (except maybe other rapists). And while Jaime has done some truly despicable things in the past, I had finally come around to liking and understanding him - and this episode pretty much ruined that for me.

I can definitely understand the controversy around the Jaime/Cersei scene, but for me, one of the things that scene got across was that, despite Jaime turning over a new leaf in recent times, he's still a pretty ****ed up individual - as is Cersei and their relationship.

 

[Drz]

Yes, Jaime raped Cersei, and yes it was a vile act and disturbing to watch. But I find it strange to see people saying that because of this, they're not sure if they can continue to like the guy that pushed a little boy out a window in the first episode....

Yeah, but when Jaime lost his hand, his character developent began and he struggled thru with Brienne, let's put it this way:

After this episode, how many people care about Jaime's training with his left hand or Jaime being kind to Brienne? Brienne is the innocent woman, who's in love with a rapist now.