HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - - Part 14

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, that was the turning point for me on Jamie. I'm still amazed at how they pulled it off, but it's a testament to some damn good character development and storytelling. It wasn't so much that Jamie paid a price...but why he paid it. Putting himself on the line for no reason whatsoever other than to protect Brienne, and paying a very heavy price for it.

That, and he's really witty. He might not be as witty and sarcastic as Tyrion, but he's pretty good. The way he constantly talked back during the premiere about how now his fights will be more even now are all pretty funny, and seems legit in how someone like him would sidestep naysayers.

 

[Maximus One]

So, most places in this show and the books are supposed to be inspired by real places, correct? I mean, obviously Westeros is supposed to be like the UK and parts of Europe so does that make Dorne basically Spain or Italy? Can't get this thought out of my head since Oberyn being introduced. Those soldiers seemed pretty damn racist towards him. But, this also begs the question of, where is France's fictional counterpart?

 

[Marvolo]

So, most places in this show and the books are supposed to be inspired by real places, correct? I mean, obviously Westeros is supposed to be like the UK and parts of Europe so does that make Dorne basically Spain or Italy? Can't get this thought out of my head since Oberyn being introduced. Those soldiers seemed pretty damn racist towards him. But, this also begs the question of, where is France's fictional counterpart?

Yeah a mix of Spain/Italy/Persia. He may have taken inspiration from when Spain was controlled by the Moors, but that's just speculation. While reading AFFC I always got an Arabian vibe from their land and culture, but they have Mediterranean influences also.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

This is the best visual representation I've come across

Spoiler

Dorne: Spain, particularly Medieval Moorish Spain. IIRC, buildings in Dorne are described as having minarets (or something resembling them). There's also Sand, Salt, and Stone Dornish, each having a different complexion (darker to lighter).
Reach: Southern France. Fertile fields.
Westerlands: Great Britain. While Great Britain was rich in tin, the Westerlands are rich in gold.
Iron Islands: Ireland and Scotland. Not a perfect match geographically, but an island nation and historically antagonistic towards the mainland.
Riverlands: Low Countries and Northern Germany. Distinguished by fields and rivers and historically where most wars were waged due to center location.
Vale: Southern Germany, Austria. Mountainous with fertile valleys.
Stormlands and Crownlands: Northern Italy, King's Landing being analogous to Rome as the political capital.
North: Norway, Sweden, and Finland. Cold climates.
Beyond the Wall: Northern Russia, Sibera, Arctic. Extremely cold temperatures.

Much of Essos resembles the Far East. Braavos is a canal city inspired by Venice. The remnants of Valyria resemble Greece. The Valyrian Freehold (empire ruled by Valyria) is based on the Roman empire, as it's fall lead to the rise of European nations.

Southern Westeros is also Ireland flipped upside-down.

Spoiler

Belfast=Oldtown
Galway=King's Landing
Dublin=Casterly Rock/Lannisport
Waterford=Riverrun (by a three-pronged river)
Limerick=Saltpans
Killarney=Eyrie

 

[Drizzle]

Yeah, I think what I like about Jaime (or what made me grow to like Jaime?) is that getting him away from his sister & father (and yeah, traveling with Brienne) definitely allowed his character to grow/develop and it's turning into - at least so far, IMO, a really nice arc.

I find it cool that Jaime acts more like a knight when he saves Brienne from a bear, one-handed, than he ever did while he was "whole". That was the major turning point for me with Jaime, along with him saving Brienne from getting raped earlier on as well.

Yeah, that was the turning point for me on Jamie. I'm still amazed at how they pulled it off, but it's a testament to some damn good character development and storytelling. It wasn't so much that Jamie paid a price...but why he paid it. Putting himself on the line for no reason whatsoever other than to protect Brienne, and paying a very heavy price for it.

That, and he's really witty. He might not be as witty and sarcastic as Tyrion, but he's pretty good. The way he constantly talked back during the premiere about how now his fights will be more even now are all pretty funny, and seems legit in how someone like him would sidestep naysayers.

One of the reasons why Jaime is one of my favorite characters is because of his arc. Here's a guy who pushed a child out of a window after having sex with his sister one of the first times we meet him, so right off the bat my reaction was "Wow, what a rotten son of a *****." But by the third season/book not only do I like the character, but I am actively rooting for him. That's why when he's cozying up to Cersei again, it's like, "Come on, Jaime, what are you doing?"

 

[Kane52630]

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Awkward.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Kane with gifs of underage girls. I now know what he does in his down time.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

This is the best visual representation I've come across

Spoiler

Dorne: Spain, particularly Medieval Moorish Spain. IIRC, buildings in Dorne are described as having minarets (or something resembling them). There's also Sand, Salt, and Stone Dornish, each having a different complexion (darker to lighter).
Reach: Southern France. Fertile fields.
Westerlands: Great Britain. While Great Britain was rich in tin, the Westerlands are rich in gold.
Iron Islands: Ireland and Scotland. Not a perfect match geographically, but an island nation and historically antagonistic towards the mainland.
Riverlands: Low Countries and Northern Germany. Distinguished by fields and rivers and historically where most wars were waged due to center location.
Vale: Southern Germany, Austria. Mountainous with fertile valleys.
Stormlands and Crownlands: Northern Italy, King's Landing being analogous to Rome as the political capital.
North: Norway, Sweden, and Finland. Cold climates.
Beyond the Wall: Northern Russia, Sibera, Arctic. Extremely cold temperatures.

Much of Essos resembles the Far East. Braavos is a canal city inspired by Venice. The remnants of Valyria resemble Greece. The Valyrian Freehold (empire ruled by Valyria) is based on the Roman empire, as it's fall lead to the rise of European nations.

Southern Westeros is also Ireland flipped upside-down.

Spoiler

Belfast=Oldtown
Galway=King's Landing
Dublin=Casterly Rock/Lannisport
Waterford=Riverrun (by a three-pronged river)
Limerick=Saltpans
Killarney=Eyrie

That's exactly how i always pictured it, at least geographically

Beyond the Wall: Russia, Siberia
North: Scandinavia mixture with Western Russia and Poland
Iron Islands: Southern-Western Scandinavian (vikings, ships, etc)
Riverlands: Western Germany, Eastern France
Vale: Austria, Southern Germany
Westerlands: Great Britain
Stormlands: Eastern-Southern France
Reach: Wester-Southern France
Dorne: Spain, Northern Africa
Braavos: Venice, also take into consideration that Braavos is in the Far-West of Essos, and close to King's Landing. Such as Italy being close with France ( westerosi-comparison wise talking )

Okay i'm done talking

 

[Maximus One]

Thanks guys!

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Is that from Maisie's Vine?

 

[Hyde]

-According to Oberyn it's because Tywin was jealous that King Aerys chose Elia to be Rhaegar's bride over Cersei and had her killed in revenge. Tywin denies this of course.

-They're invited because they're the Lords Paramount of Dorne, one of the Great Houses of Westeros and it's the royal wedding where anyone of note is expected to attend.

-Aerys made Jaime a Kingsguard behind Tywin's back to spite him.

-We'll see Dorne in some form or another. Casterly Rock hasn't appeared in the books yet.

In addition to what Roose said...

1. Leaving them alive would have risked a future uprising from Targaryen loyalists. Tywin knew that Robert wouldn't care if they were killed, so he had it done.
2. The Lannisters are attempting to build an alliance with Dorne since Myrcella was sent there to be betrothed to one of Prince Doran's sons.
3. At that time, Jaime was being raised at Casterly Rock and Cersei at King's Landing with Tywin, Aerys' Hand at that time. They wanted to be together and assumed Cersei would marry Rhaegar, so Jaime asked to join the Kingsguard. Aerys knighted him into it to rob Tywin of his eldest son.

Awesome, thanks!

 

[kvz5]

 

[Maximus One]

Ok I gotta know something, I don't think it needs to be spoiler tagged although the answer may need to be. I'm about 250 pages into ACoK and they just mentioned Ramsay and Reek for the first time. Is there two Reeks or, what's up here? Theon's first chapter was him going to the Iron Islands so is this him they're speaking of or what?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Ok I gotta know something, I don't think it needs to be spoiler tagged although the answer may need to be. I'm about 250 pages into ACoK and they just mentioned Ramsay and Reek for the first time. Is there two Reeks or, what's up here? Theon's first chapter was him going to the Iron Islands so is this him they're speaking of or what?

In the book, Ramsay Snow had a companion named Reek. The scenes last season with Ramsay torturing Theon and forcing himself to change his name to Reek happens "off-screen" after ACOK and isn't mentioned again until A Dance With Dragons.

As an aside, one of the reasons Ramsay hates Theon as much as he does is because Ramsay is a bastard while Theon essentially grew up as a Stark and Greyjoy, two of the Great Houses of Westeros. It's a bastard with no name torturing a boy with two names and taking away his identity.

 

[Reek]

 

[Solidus]

Colonel Sandor.

 

[Maximus One]

In the book, Ramsay Snow had a companion named Reek. The scenes last season with Ramsay torturing Theon and forcing himself to change his name to Reek happens "off-screen" after ACOK and isn't mentioned again until A Dance With Dragons.

As an aside, one of the reasons Ramsay hates Theon as much as he does is because Ramsay is a bastard while Theon essentially grew up as a Stark and Greyjoy, two of the Great Houses of Westeros. It's a bastard with no name torturing a boy with two names and taking away his identity.

Yea, I didn't even think about that. Makes sense.

 

[Maximus One]

Ok, another question guys. This time, about the premiere. Why did Oberyn get so pissed off at those soldiers? Was the one guy singing some bard's song about Elia or something like that? Kinda confused me what set him off exactly

 

[The Apocalypse]

Ok, another question guys. This time, about the premiere. Why did Oberyn get so pissed off at those soldiers? Was the one guy singing some bard's song about Elia or something like that? Kinda confused me what set him off exactly

The Lannisters were singing Rains of Castamere which is their houses theme song.

 

[Marvolo]

The Lannisters were singing Rains of Castamere which is their houses theme song.

And Oberyn really...realy really hates Lannisters.

 

[Hush]

He hates em for a damn good reason too.

 

[Maximus One]

Oh ok, gotcha.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

He blames Tywin for the murder of Elia Martell (his sister) and her children, Rhaenys and Aegon. If you haven't read how they died: [blackout]Gregor Clegane dashed Aegon's head across a wall, raped Elia, and then bashed her face in. Amory Lorch (guy Arya has Jaqen kill in S2) dragged Rhaenys from hiding under her bed and stabbed her repeatedly.[/blackout]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This was all explained in the first episode of the season. The only thing they seemed to change was the head bashing. Instead she was cut in half.