HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - - Part 14

[Havok83]

I was confused by the Cersei and Jamie scene. Was that supposed to be rape?

 

[Maximus One]

Davos was just awesome this episode. Loved it

 

[cheungcheung]

I was confused by the Cersei and Jamie scene. Was that supposed to be rape?

If the rapee says no, it's rape

 

[747]

What was up with Littlefinger's overly exaggerated accent? His voice was fine before...

And I still hate the Daario recast. The new guy is so bland, and Daario should be anything but bland.

Really good episode though. The editing and sense of flow is much better than last season.

– I didn't mind the Jaime/Cersei scene, it was perfectly ****ed-up in every way. Further pushing the moral greyness of the series.

– The Gilly/Sam stuff was a bit too awkward at times, but ultimately it's so cute. endearing and sympathic that I can't help but like it.

– Really good sexposition scene, it was sexy with neat and fun dialogue. Enter Tywin and a great interaction with Oberyn.

– The movements on Castle Black/The North were enjoyable, setting up future things nicely...

– The Dany stuff was very well done visually.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love the Daario recast. I actually like him, and it makes me far more sympathetic towards Dany in that regard.

 

[Drz]

I was confused by the Cersei and Jamie scene. Was that supposed to be rape?

In the book it wasn't a rape, but in the show it's a rape.

It's going to be pointless to root for any good decision Jaime does, the show not only has him do kinslaying, which i could defend, but him raping his sister? Too far. Too much.

Unless it's all part of some bigger story arc, but i doubt it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Cersei/Jaime scene is similar to the book. The only difference is the hold and manipulation Cersei has over her brother will be more apparent in the next episode, which was shown in the preview. Cersei uses sex and her brother's love for her to control Jaime.

Cersei saying "no" and "its wrong", juxtaposed to the very nature of their relationship, her continuing to engage in the sex and Joffrey's body sitting right there does not scream "rape" to me. I can see how people are interpreting it as so, but not what I got considering the characters and how the actual scene played out.

 

[Maximus One]

I really hope D&D address this at some point. If they come out and say "Yes it was our intention to make Jaime a rapist" then I'll accept it. But until then her basically whispering no to him and kissing him while he "rapes" isn't gonna cut it with me.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Yeah. They showed us Coldhands horse in Bran's vision and it's the same horse that the white walker that let Sam live was riding in the season 2 finale.

Yeah, it's the same shot.

And the preview for next week shows a flash of Coldhand's face and it looks like the same whitewalker. So I think we may have already met Coldhands in the season 2 finale and just didn't know it was him.

I'm not so sure here. I think the white walker that Sam slayed was the same one that was on that horse. So I don't think it can be Coldhands. I think this Coldhands is the guy in some of the Season 4 promos. I think at the end of the 2nd promo.

 

[marcvader]

Cersei saying "no" and "its wrong", juxtaposed to the very nature of their relationship, her continuing to engage in the sex and Joffrey's body sitting right there does not scream "rape" to me. I can see how people are interpreting it as so, but not what I got considering the characters and how the actual scene played out.

I got the same thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I really hope D&D address this at some point. If they come out and say "Yes it was our intention to make Jaime a rapist" then I'll accept it. But until then her basically whispering no to him and kissing him while he "rapes" isn't gonna cut it with me.

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-breaker-of-chains-uncle-deadly

Alex Graves, the director talked about it here.

(*) When I interviewed Alex Graves about "The Lion and the Rose," we also spoke briefly about the Jaime/Cersei scene and about how the encounter starts out as Jaime forcing himself on her, then turns into something else. This is what he said:

"Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle. Nobody really wanted to talk about what was going on between the two characters, so we had a rehearsal that was a blocking rehearsal. And it was very much about the earlier part with Charles (Dance) and the gentle verbal kidnapping of Cersei's last living son. Nikolaj came in and we just went through one physical progression and digression of what they went through, but also how to do it with only one hand, because it was Nikolaj. By the time you do that and you walk through it, the actors feel comfortable going home to think about it. The only other thing I did was that ordinarily, you rehearse the night before, and I wanted to rehearse that scene four days before, so that we could think about everything. And it worked out really well. That's one of my favorite scenes I've ever done."


Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-wa...er-of-chains-uncle-deadly#GmGD88HOMvR2bOIg.99

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, it's the same shot.



I'm not so sure here. I think the white walker that Sam slayed was the same one that was on that horse. So I don't think it can be Coldhands. I think this Coldhands is the guy in some of the Season 4 promos. I think at the end of the 2nd promo.

The White Walkers seem to all have a similar look. I think we are over thinking it being the "same" White Walker each time. That is simply the look they want us to identify with the White Walkers. Otherwise who did Sam kill?

Also, if it is Coldhands, then they lied, because the actor playing Sam said he was cut. I am still holding out hope, but I don't know.

 

[Havok83]

If the rapee says no, it's rape

I dont think its that black and white

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-breaker-of-chains-uncle-deadly

Alex Graves, the director talked about it here.

thats how I saw it, which confused me. I was wondering what the director's intention was with the scene bc to me, I had the impression that Jamie and Cersei had encounters like this before. Unfortunately the scene ended to abruptly so we didnt get to see more of how Cersei would have proceeded

 

[Ramsay Snow]

The White Walkers seem to all have a similar look. I think we are over thinking it being the "same" White Walker each time. That is simply the look they want us to identify with the White Walkers. Otherwise who did Sam kill?

That face really looked similar to the one Sam killed. But you're right, it could be different.

Also, if it is Coldhands, then they lied, because the actor playing Sam said he was cut. I am still holding out hope, but I don't know.

Well, whoever he is, the promos showed a guy riding the horse and he doesn't have blue eyes. I just think that the blue-eyed guy from the Episode 4 promo is different to the guy from the Season 4 promos. Do you agree?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I dont think its that black and white



thats how I saw it, which confused me. I was wondering what the director's intention was with the scene bc to me, I had the impression that Jamie and Cersei had encounters like this before. Unfortunately the scene ended to abruptly so we didnt get to see more of how Cersei would have proceeded

I think the ambiguity was intentional, leave the audience feeling awkward, mainly because of the preview. Cersei's "request" is going to be interesting. It started this episode. Her attempts to use Jaime's love to murder their younger brother. When he refuses, she refuses him her love. At least at first. Now that she given Jaime what he wants, will he agree to what she wants. His demonstration of his "love" for her.

This is Jaime falling out of love with his sister. His attempt to rekindle will leave him hollow. It isn't what it use to be if you will. That they did it right next to the dead body of their first born, the symbol of the their "love", big shinning beacon. Their love is dead. That is what I am getting out of where they are going so far after 3 episodes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That face really looked similar to the one Sam killed. But you're right, it could be different.

Well, whoever he is, the promos showed a guy riding the horse and he doesn't have blue eyes. I just think that the blue-eyed guy from the Episode 4 promo is different to the guy from the Season 4 promos. Do you agree?

You mean the one from the end of the second season 4 trailer? Yeah, I think it is the same character. I get what you are saying about the eyes, but I think that simply a lack of post-work when the original trailer was released.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

You mean the one from the end of the second season 4 trailer? Yeah, I think it is the same character. I get what you are saying about the eyes, but I think that simply a lack of post-work when the original trailer was released.

Yeah, him! I see. I take back what I said, then. I was so sure that they were different, but your reasoning seems logical.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, him! I see. I take back what I said, then. I was so sure that they were different, but your reasoning seems logical.

They could be different, I could totally be wrong. It is a quick shot, and a lot less then the trailer. But I would honestly be surprised if they weren't one in the same.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

They could be different, I could totally be wrong. It is a quick shot, and a lot less then the trailer. But I would honestly be surprised if they weren't one in the same.

I see what you mean. Yeah, I would be surprised too.

 

[P Supreme]

Tywin is such a boss in this episode I love Charles Dance
That scene with Jaimee and Cercei was uncomfortable to watch
with their dead son right there

Stuff with Dany was great and I agree that new Daario has no presence
like that first guy and I wanted a dragon to show up oh well

I truly don't care about Sam and Gilly at all can't put my finger on it
but that plot takes valuable time from the others hope they end that
soon

 

[iamlegend]

I love the Daario recast. I actually like him, and it makes me far more sympathetic towards Dany in that regard.

This is why I DON'T like him. Daario isn't just supposed to be some scoundrel, or a sellsword with a heart of gold. He's written as a cold-blooded killer that's adventurous enough to charm Dany... And represents something of a mistake on her part. This guy's too soft, too friendly, too likeable. He's more a Hollywood cliche than a real character.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is why I DON'T like him. Daario isn't just supposed to be some scoundrel, or a sellsword with a heart of gold. He's written as a cold-blooded killer that's adventurous enough to charm Dany... And represents something of a mistake on her part. This guy's too soft, too friendly, too likeable. He's more a Hollywood cliche than a real character.

As one who would happily cut Daario and his stupid beard out of the books, I love that I don't have to spend time with that tool on the television show as well.

 

[Iceman]

Won't get to see this till tonight. That Jaime stuff sounds a bit strange at this stage.

How good was this epidode comapred to the 1st 2?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Won't get to see this till tonight. That Jaime stuff sounds a bit strange at this stage.

How good was this epidode comapred to the 1st 2?

I personally found it the be the best episode of the season so far, and my favorite since Blackwater. It is very character based, lots of pure acting, but still a tightly structured episode in terms of narrative. Lots of those little character moments I love so much.

 

[chamber-music]

Daenerys and Jon Snow have been great so far this season. Their characters have shown growth into being good leaders.

Davos gonna get that Iron bank of Braavos help. Lannisters should of paid their debts t:

Loved seeing The Hound tell Arya how the world really is. If the Starks had been more pragmatic half of them might not of been pushing daises and there home would not of been burned to the ground.

Just when I think I've seen it all on this show we get a Jamie have sexing with his sister at his dead sons grave

I could watch Charles Dance Tywin manipulate Tommen or politically manoeuvre Oberyn all day. Charles Dance is one of the actors I never understood why he doesn't get a ton of work because he has screen presence in spades.

When are people going to learn not to trust Littlefinger?

It was cool to hear the regular farmers views of how the seven kingdoms have gone to hell. Here the common folks views really paints a picture of the overall outsider view.

What was up with Littlefinger's overly exaggerated accent? His voice was fine before...

For some reason it seems like Aidan Gillen just stopped doing the English accent he was doing before and started talking in his own Irish accent.

Speaking of accents I wonder why Liam Cunningham aka Davos does a Geordie (North eastern English) accent in the show? I don't have a problem with it I'm just curious why he choose to speak in that accent.