HBO's Game of Thrones - - - - - Part 14

[DarthSkywalker]

Dany, a good leader?

 

[Ramsay Snow]

The thing with Dany is that we've only seen her conquer. Not rule.

She's idealistic and smart, but she's only a teenager like Robb. So she still has a lot to learn about ruling and controlling her hormones.

 

[marcvader]

The thing with Dany is that we've only seen her conquer. Not rule.

She's idealistic and smart, but she's only a teenager like Robb. So she still has a lot to learn about ruling and controlling her hormones.

Dany is a teenager? Sure as hell doesn't look or act like one to me?

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Dany is a teenager? Sure as hell doesn't look or act like one to me?

Well, I think she acts older but I think she's a teenager at heart. Like, she's the leader, but she still has those sides to her like being smitten with Daario and more.

Or maybe she's a young adult? I don't know.

I feel that she'll make similar mistakes like Robb did. They're both young and they'll fall prey probably to political stuff and make some silly mistakes in their naivety and overconfidence.

 

[Iceman]

I personally found it the be the best episode of the season so far, and my favorite since Blackwater. It is very character based, lots of pure acting, but still a tightly structured episode in terms of narrative. Lots of those little character moments I love so much.

Sounds great, can't wait.

I'll be rewatching S1-3 again in 3 days (a season a day) when my buddy comes to stay who hasn't seen any of them yet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Dany is a teenager? Sure as hell doesn't look or act like one to me?

She is a teenager in the books and on the show. And she acts like one.

 

[squeekness]

Yeah, she was 14 when she married Drogo. How long has it been since then? Two years?

 

[Great Mind(s)]

So why does Littlefinger tell Sansa that Joffrey has tormented her for years? It's been years? Arya's hair grows real slow eh

 

[Infinity9999x]

I dont think its that black and white

Legally, it's that black and white. And actually, in some states such as mine, it's not the presence of a no, but the absence of a yes. You have to consent. You don't have to say no.

Cersei clearly didnt want to have sex with Jamie, it wasn't like in the books where she only didnt want to because of where they were and then said yes anyway, she was saying no the entire time. That's rape.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah, she was 14 when she married Drogo. How long has it been since then? Two years?

I don't think they said she was 14 on the show. And she clearly never looked it. They aged both her and Robb up in the show.

 

[Iceman]

Dany is a teenager? Sure as hell doesn't look or act like one to me?

The character is supposed to be but the actress will be 27 in a couple of weeks. Bit like Beverly Hills 90210 t:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Legally, it's that black and white. And actually, in some states such as mine, it's not the presence of a no, but the absence of a yes. You have to consent.

Verse I clearly didnt want to have sex with Jamie, it wasn't like in the books where she only didnt want to because of where they were and then said yes anyway, she was saying no the entire time. That's rape.

We are talking about Westeros here. A land of fantasy based on the middle ages. Kind of apples and oranges, especially considering Cersei was definitely shagging back.

Though I am curious, how exactly do you know why Cersei saying no? She also said, "this is wrong" or something close to that. Isn't that not closer to the book interpretation then the idea that Jaime raped her?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, she was 14 when she married Drogo. How long has it been since then? Two years?

On the show she may have been 16. In terms of time on the show, she is around 18-19 at this point.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

I thought that she was into it, she was saying "no" as she was grabbing his face and kissing him hard

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think they said she was 14 on the show. And she clearly never looked it. They aged both her and Robb up in the show.

They aged all the young characters 2-3 years. Jon and Robb were 18 at the start of the show, Dany 16

 

[Infinity9999x]

We are talking about Westeros here. A land of fantasy based on the middle ages. Kind of apples and oranges, especially considering Cersei was definitely shagging back.

Though I am curious, how exactly do you know why Cersei saying no? She also said, "this is wrong" or something close to that. Isn't that not closer to the book interpretation then the idea that Jaime raped her?

I got the idea she was saying no because she said no multiple times. The book scene had her resisting, not because she didnt want Janie but because of where they were, he opens her dress, sees she's on her period, but she says "take me quickly," and they shag anyway. It was gross, but consensual.

And yeah, this is Westeros, but that doesn't change what rape is, it is showing us a world where there is little consequence for it.

I didn't like the scene because it adds something to Jamie's character that was never there, and it's not a good something.

 

[Infinity9999x]

They aged all the young characters 2-3 years. Jon and Robb were 18 at the start of the show, Dany 16

I can buy her as a Hollywood 16 in season 1. I knew she wasn't supposed to be 14. Did they ever actually mention her name in s1?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I got the idea she was saying no because she said no multiple times. The book scene had her resisting, not because she didnt want Janie but because of where they were, he opens her dress, sees she's on her period, but she says "take me quickly," and they shag anyway. It was gross, but consensual.

And yeah, this is Westeros, but that doesn't change what rape is, it is showing us a world where there is little consequence for it.

I didn't like the scene because it adds something to Jamie's character that was never there, and it's not a good something.

That is why her saying "its not right" is important in the context. If it was rape, I think they would have went all the way with it, not have her shagging back. The symbolic "its not right" is about the place, while also hitting on the fact they committing incest. This is afterall Game of Thrones.

I can buy her as a Hollywood 16 in season 1. I knew she wasn't supposed to be 14. Did they ever actually mention her name in s1?

I don't think so. Probably because of the Drogo relationship.

 

[Iceman]

This took place near Joffrey's gravestone? Must have been so many people there paying their respects.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This took place near Joffrey's gravestone? Must have been so many people there paying their respects.

No, it took place right next to Joffrey's body on a slab. They literally started against the slab and then ended up on the floor right next to it.

 

[Maximus One]

She was a willing participant. She kissed him. I don't see how people can see that as being raped. A woman being raped doesn't kiss the man raping her. Plain and simple

 

[Iceman]

No, it took place right next to Joffrey's body on a slab. They literally started against the slab and then ended up on the floor right next to it.

Haha, that is bad. This Westeros, a strange old place.

 

[Kaleb]

She was a willing participant. She kissed him. I don't see how people can see that as being raped. A woman being raped doesn't kiss the man raping her. Plain and simple

 

[Jordacar]

Quick question: is Sansa a POV character by this point in the books?

 

[Infinity9999x]

She was a willing participant. She kissed him. I don't see how people can see that as being raped. A woman being raped doesn't kiss the man raping her. Plain and simple

I saw Jamie grabbing her face and kissing her, which is very different.

Also, you're incredibly wrong. People being attacked will very often go into "shut down" mode, or do whatever they think they have to, or are told to do, in order to survive the ordeal and get it over as quickly as possible.

That is why her saying "its not right" is important in the context. If it was rape, I think they would have went all the way with it, not have her shagging back. The symbolic "its not right" is about the place, while also hitting on the fact they committing incest. This is afterall Game of Thrones

In the context of how it happened in the show, it looked like rape. Had they done the resisting and then had the moment of her going "okay," then I wouldn't have minded it. But they didn't. I like the "this is wrong" comment, both for where they are and what they're doing, but the fact that she never gave him the go ahead changed the scene in the show from the scene in the book greatly.