HBO's Game of Thrones - - Part 16

[Buford The Sly]

Dustin Clare for Darkstar and Ray Stevenson for Victarion Greyjoy must happen.

 

[iamlegend]

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Darkstar. He's of the night.

Eh...

Spoiler

All flash, no substance with Darkstar. I'm more interested in Hotah. That's a real danger. Granted, he's not Dornish.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

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Expect Hotah to be cut. He's too similar to Victarion and his only purpose is to be a camera on Doran Martell which will be unnecessary for a show.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I like how the Hound and Arya are influencing each other.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

It had dry parts, but, I really enjoyed the portrait it makes of a war torn country. Plus, Cersei's descent was a treat, especially with the E.A. Poe frosting: when she's convinced Tyrion is lurking in the walls of the castle. While its not my favorite of the books, I do not hate it, as most of my friends do.

I also don't understand the hatred that AFFC has received. Yes, it's the least perfect of all the books. Yes, most of the prime characters do not appear. Yes, it's a filler book. But still, I agree that it has some really nice parts.
Every Jaime chapter is excellent, Cersei's too. And I love how Martin's shows you the post-war country.
Dorne and the Iron Islands were pretty damn great also.
And personally I believe AFFC to have the best title in the series. I mean, C'mon man. A Feast For Crows. How awesome is that for a book name??

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I think a lot of the hate for AFFC comes from the fact that people waited 5 years for it only to find there were no Jon, Daenerys, or Tyrion (or Bran or Davos) chapters.

When I first read it, the chapters about the Ironborn were incredibly boring. Looking back on them though, they weren't that bad since I understand their significance in the plot better.

 

[iamlegend]

I also don't understand the hatred that AFFC has received. Yes, it's the least perfect of all the books. Yes, most of the prime characters do not appear. Yes, it's a filler book. But still, I agree that it has some really nice parts.
Every Jaime chapter is excellent, Cersei's too. And I love how Martin's shows you the post-war country.
Dorne and the Iron Islands were pretty damn great also.
And personally I believe AFFC to have the best title in the series. I mean, C'mon man. A Feast For Crows. How awesome is that for a book name??

To be fair, ya kinda went right down the list and nailed most of the reasons that people didn't like it, heh.

A Feast For Crows left out the characters with the largest fan bases, which made people mad. Then Martin went and absolutely didn't deliver on his own promise to have the fifth book out quickly. That's on him.

I enjoyed most of AFFC, but it was definitely a risky move. So I don't blame the folks that didn't take kindly to it. A lot of people had their hearts torn out by the crushing defeat of the Starks, and a number of other things. And then, the next book comes out... and it's all about Cersei, Jaime and some new characters that we'd never met before.

Even George has admitted that splitting things that way probably wasn't a good idea.

 

[iamlegend]

I think a lot of the hate for AFFC comes from the fact that people waited 5 years for it only to find there were no Jon, Daenerys, or Tyrion (or Bran or Davos) chapters.

When I first read it, the chapters about the Ironborn were incredibly boring. Looking back on them though, they weren't that bad since I understand their significance in the plot better.

I often can't decide which storyline I'm less interested in...

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What's going on in Dorne, or what's going on with the Ironborn. I know it's "world-building," but introducing almost completely new factions 3000+ pages into the game just didn't work for me. If the next book opened up with the Iron Islands sinking under the sea, I wouldn't bat an eye.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Yes. I forgot to add that.

I totally understand the people who waited first 5 years and then 6 more. I guess i expressed myself badly. Sorry for that.

What I also would like to note, is that both AFFC and ADWD, in a sense, at the ending chapters, seem to regain that cliffhanger thrilling feeling from the first 3 books. Which is gives me the feeling that books 6 and 7 will be as good (or hopefully better) as AGOT and ASOS

 

[Victarion]

The only plots I didn't care for in AFfC were Sam and Brienne. The meat of their stories could've been done in one chapter. Reading AFfC and ADWD, I got the feeling that GRRM wanted to set up another ASOS where he knocks down everything at once. Now, I'm totally hooked on the brouhaha in King's Landing, the Wall, and Meereen.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I also don't understand the hatred that AFFC has received. Yes, it's the least perfect of all the books. Yes, most of the prime characters do not appear. Yes, it's a filler book. But still, I agree that it has some really nice parts.
Every Jaime chapter is excellent, Cersei's too. And I love how Martin's shows you the post-war country.
Dorne and the Iron Islands were pretty damn great also.
And personally I believe AFFC to have the best title in the series. I mean, C'mon man. A Feast For Crows. How awesome is that for a book name??

You admit it is filler and then you wonder why?

That is the problem with AFFC and ADWD. After three books where countless, earth shattering things happened we were stuck with the entire story being halted for no reason then GRRM is spinning his wheels and doesn't seem to know where to go. It also doesn't help that he has got even more overly elaborate in his writing, meaning even less happens every single page. There is a reason it has taken so long. He doesn't know how to get where he wants to go and the wait and books reflect this.

Also best title is either A Game of Thrones or A Storm of Swords. That is boss.

 

[Iceman]

Agreed that AFFC is a good name for a book.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[Doc Ock]

Gotta love some Disney GOT!

 

[Hush]

Firstly those Disney GOT's are hilarious.

Secondly, all this talk about the 4th and 5th book has me thinking about books and how when I audiobooked them they were very tedious to get through and I listened to them in a row. The Dorne stuff was very very very cool though if you look at it as a HUGE long story but even doing that he wrote them as very very dry characters and the Iron Born as very abstract characters but not is a great way. I think they would have been better served by having characters we met in the first 3 pop up as supporting characters in those stories, and they should have been characters we loved like Bronn or something.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Basically the Joe Abercrombie approach. (which is better)

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Conan O'Brien Has An Idea How To Catch Up On Game of Thrones

Watching plot-heavy shows can be hard with someone who missed one or two episodes, so Conan's here to help, with a rather interesting idea.

And since the clip is about Game of Thrones, George R. R. Martin makes a guest appearance to promote the premium version of this silly service.

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Sign me up please!

This is hilarious, Conan rules and it's always funny when GRRM stops by. But get back to writing GRRM You don't have time for cameos like this!

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

Dustin Clare for Darkstar and Ray Stevenson for Victarion Greyjoy must happen.

so long as jimmy smits is doran I'm happy. maybe james purefoy or kevin mckidd for jon connington? i have no idea who they should cast as

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aegon.

jack reynor?

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Huge spoiler the last part. I advice you to tag it.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

would be redundant after you've quoted me.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I also don't understand the hatred that AFFC has received. Yes, it's the least perfect of all the books. Yes, most of the prime characters do not appear. Yes, it's a filler book. But still, I agree that it has some really nice parts.
Every Jaime chapter is excellent, Cersei's too. And I love how Martin's shows you the post-war country.
Dorne and the Iron Islands were pretty damn great also.
And personally I believe AFFC to have the best title in the series. I mean, C'mon man. A Feast For Crows. How awesome is that for a book name??

The bolded is really why so many were ticked at it. And I think the main reason is because after the third book it really seemed like we had moved towards the end game of the overarching through line of the entire series. And then you get to book four and it just stalls out. It doesn't help that he also introduces a LOT of new characters, some of which seem (at this point) unneeded.

I found a link online that tells you the order to read the book four and five chapters together as one giant book, and I've been recommending that to all my friends who get to the fourth book. I think that would have made it much more enjoyable to me.

 

[Roose Bolton]

What they need to do, is a series of spin offs about Darkstar. Making rebellions, making love and fightin' round the world.

Book one: Darkstar vs King Kong.

 

[Loki882]

It will be interesting to see if, once books 6 and 7 come out and we get the full-context, people might look back on books 4 and 5 more favorably? Less " that was pointless filler" and more "that tuned out to be clever setup for some really cool/interesting stuff."

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well, some people love to spew venom all over those books, but there's a lot of subtle stuff there that you really need to look for. ADWD for instance has so much thematic poignancy to it that becomes apparent only after 2 or 3 rereads, it uses its central themes to much greater effect than the other installments.

They are meandering books, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of worth hidden within them.

 

[DarthDorranceBane]