Guess I'll add my two cents on this topic:
Before the movie came out I was completely expecting the battle between Batman and Superman to be a battle of ideals. Their ideals are the things that guide their methods and classically, in the comics and animated media, they have always disagreed on their methods.
This was definitely touched upon in the movie as a motivation for Superman to investigate Batman and want to stop him.
But in the end the resolution wasn't one of their ideals or methods, it was a resolution of the very character motivations and life events that lead them to become what they are.
It wasn't a resolution of the 'effects' but of the 'cause' itself and that is something I have never seen happen in any Batman and Superman story. It went to the core of the characters and changed them and made them better, instead of just resolving surface conflicts or disagreements and leaving the character intact.
Batman came back from the edge, became good again, realised that he had become the very thing he fought all his life, the aggressor, the killer, the attacker and was about to become the man who took a son away from his mother. The thing that made him Batman, was going to destroy him forever. But hearing his mother's name reminds him of this, snaps him back to reality and makes him see what he is doing and what he has become.
He doesn't just become good again, he manages to FINALLY come to terms with the loss he suffered for 30 years. By saving Martha, he can finally do something that allows him to feel like he can cope with his loss, which 20 years of fighting criminals and stopping evil couldn't do. It also brings faith back to him that what he did for 20 years wasn't a waste and that "what falls" ISN'T "fallen" permanently and that his life as Batman WASN'T just "a beautiful lie".
Superman's character is changed when he realises that Bruce became the villain of the piece only because the world pushed him till he broke and he realises this when Superman himself was about to break and felt that "No one stays good in this world". He understands that if he can even feel like that, then another man can definitely go down that path but that doesn't mean he's evil.
That's what changes in Superman, he goes from seeing the world in black and white, to shades of gray, which is how the world really is. He even saw himself and his role in the world and the world around him in black and white. But then he realises that even though his actions have negative consequences, he must never give up doing what's right. And in this case, he accepted that his actions against Batman without understanding him had caused Batman to want to fight him, and so he apologises to Batman and asks for his help instead of using his power to subdue him outright.
So that's how I see it. And what I saw in the movie was beautiful for me.
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I can see where you're coming from and you have a valid point. Everybody, including me, wanted to see the ideological confrontation but I feel they gave us something better.
The part where Superman kind of apologises to Batman is when he says, "Bruce, please. I was wrong."
He does acknowledge that he was wrong, so I guess that's an apology?
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Allow me! It was his birthday yesterday, belated happy 33rd to you Henry
It wasn't a resolution of the 'effects' but of the 'cause' itself and that is something I have never seen happen in any Batman and Superman story. It went to the core of the characters and changed them and made them better, instead of just resolving surface conflicts or disagreements and leaving the character intact.
Batman came back from the edge, became good again, realised that he had become the very thing he fought all his life, the aggressor, the killer, the attacker and was about to become the man who took a son away from his mother. The thing that made him Batman, was going to destroy him forever. But hearing his mother's name reminds him of this, snaps him back to reality and makes him see what he is doing and what he has become.
He doesn't just become good again, he manages to FINALLY come to terms with the loss he suffered for 30 years. By saving Martha, he can finally do something that allows him to feel like he can cope with his loss, which 20 years of fighting criminals and stopping evil couldn't do. It also brings faith back to him that what he did for 20 years wasn't a waste and that "what falls" ISN'T "fallen" permanently and that his life as Batman WASN'T just "a beautiful lie".
Superman's character is changed when he realises that Bruce became the villain of the piece only because the world pushed him till he broke and he realises this when Superman himself was about to break and felt that "No one stays good in this world". He understands that if he can even feel like that, then another man can definitely go down that path but that doesn't mean he's evil.
That's what changes in Superman, he goes from seeing the world in black and white, to shades of gray, which is how the world really is. He even saw himself and his role in the world and the world around him in black and white. But then he realises that even though his actions have negative consequences, he must never give up doing what's right. And in this case, he accepted that his actions against Batman without understanding him had caused Batman to want to fight him, and so he apologises to Batman and asks for his help instead of using his power to subdue him outright.
So that's how I see it. And what I saw in the movie was beautiful for me.
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!
