Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman

[AvegningSpider]

No offense, but I think that's a corny idea if only that it would be a huge disconnect from Superman's current aesthetic. At least the black suit would be Kryptonian in origin.

No real offense taken, i just thought that as a posibility, maybe Superman taking part of his human side as he returns. Then again i'm no writer nor idea man.

 

[Super Kal]

i like that idea...

the point of the end of Man of Steel was that he was no longer part of Krypton, but now belonging to Earth. him creating his own suit would be a visual aesthetic of how he now fully accepts the humanity that his parents instilled in him.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I mean, i'm not trying to say Cavill should return using the Returns or Dean Cain's Superman suit's but just a suit that fits both on his Kryptonian and Human origins
Something let's say akin to this:

or a modified version of this

Maybe is my way if thinking, but when Supes returns in JL, even if it's from the comics, i don't want to see him sporting a 90'stacular Black and Silver suit but rather sporting the actual Blue,Yellow and Red, be it homemade or alien made.

 

[Mr. Wayne]

You guys think a Man of Tomorrow could get off the ground if Henry Cavill produced? Word is Affleck's finished a Batman draft. It'd be cool if Cavill were more involved in the creative process. I think he really gets the character judging by his interviews

I would like to see another Superman solo and would have zero problems with Henry being part of the creative team but I just don't think he has the currency in Hollywood to get that done yet. Ben has just accomplished a hell of a lot more and has more value to the studio than Henry which is why he'll have a much easier time getting his projects made. This is no knock on Henry by the way, I like him a lot and wish he were given the chance to really portray a more classic Superman because I think he's great when allowed to be. I'm just being realistic about where he is in his career and what sort of power he's got versus someone with Affleck's pedigree. Given how mixed the reactions to Superman have been(through no fault of Henry's IMO) I don't see that kind of pull being something he'll have for a while sadly. Now if MOS and BVS had been huge critical hits and Snyder just didn't have an interest in doing a MOS sequel I think Henry could probably push for one and get it done. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Reposting this here. Just some ideas for Supes' arc in JL.

Somewhere in between WW and JL Clark busts out of his coffin, but is still in critical condition. He slips back into a coma. Lois and Wonder Woman take his body back to the black zero while Batman goes recruiting the JL. Due to Lois' prior interaction with Jor-El and knowledge of Kryptonian tech in MoS she's able to operate the ship.

Superman gets put into a Genesis Chamber Healing Pod by Kelor. Something like the Bacta tanks in Star Wars.

He's given a modernized version of the black and silver armor by Kelor that will help metabolize yellow sun light faster.

Kelor tells Lois that only reason he's alive is because of the Codex in his DNA. While Supes' is in the chamber recovering he has delirium hallucinations of all the important people in his life helping him finally come to terms with who he is and his role in the world.

When he finally wakes up he busts out the Genesis Chamber and Lois gets him up to speed on the rest of the plot which she's been watching from the ship. The JL who've been holding off Darkseid's lieutenants the best they can are getting their asses handed to them.

The JL are getting worn down by the sheer number of parademons. Wonder Woman is engaged in combat with Steppenwolf and while she's enjoying the fight it's clearly a stalemate and the rest of the League start losing steam. Wonder Woman begins getting overwhelmed by Steppenwolf and a contigent of parademons. Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, are getting bruised and bloodied despite putting down hundreds of parademons. Batman's been surviving the entire battle through asymmetrical/guerrilla tactics, traps, and explosives. He watches the sees how the battle is going and looks on in despair.

Then, when all hope appears to be lost the Justice League hear the sky shearing in half. They look to the sky in awe. (Stronger than a locomotive, faster than a speeding bullet, it's a bird, it's a plane, ect ect.) It's Superman single handedly fighting hundreds of parademons mid flight as the Man of Steel score blares. Inspired by Superman, the living embodiment of Hope, the Justice League are reinvigorated and begin turning the tide.

At the end of the film Superman would be shaved and have his classic blue and red suit as he and the rest of JL plan for Darkseid's second wave in the Black Zero which is now orbiting the Earth as the Watchtower.

Sorry for the wall of text...I had some of these ideas pent up in my head for the last week.

 

[Mindreaper21]

It would be awesome to see Superman in a regeneration chamber, but I'd love to see him fight in Kryptonian armor.

 

[Wildcard]

I love that idea. Maybe have him wear it when going up against Darkseid....or for the inevitable rematch with Doomsday.

 

[Rapunzel]

Bruce could make him a suit that protects him when weakened by Kryptonite? Would be handy against many villains.

 

[Quasimod0]

I didn't cry when Superman died because I've barely even gotten to know this Superman because he had to share a film that should have been developing him with Batman and I do believe that Batman got more screentime. Now I could be wrong about that because I didn't time the screentime exactly but it felt that way to me and the movie felt more geared towards Batman besides that.

I think doing the death of Superman after one movie was a bone headed decision. You do something like that after 3 or 4 movies not 1 film. Cap has had two good films and he has been likable and developed in those two films. I feel like I'd definitely be sadder if he died. I just felt annoyed when Superman died because he died in a film that wasn't even really his and he apparently is still learning to be Superman or something. It's just an unfortunate situation for the character.
Additionally, Cap has many great lines that tell us (in a natural way) what he stands for, what his beliefs are, etc.
That speech that Cap gives at the end of Winter Soldier just had me all choked up and inspired. Why can't Superman ever give a speech like that. He's not a traveling loner anymore, let the character speak more.

Cap is a great model for how I want Superman to be. He isn't over the top smiley or goofy, and he has a more subtle sense of humor. But you can feel his earnest desire to do good, and even when he struggles with knowing what the right choice is, you still get the feeling that he is just being who he is. The First Avenger set up the heart of his character VERY well. He's not just a soldier, but a good man. It also didn't take him 3 movies to reach that point. From the very onset, his character was established.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Cap is a great model for how I want Superman to be. He isn't over the top smiley or goofy, and he has a more subtle sense of humor. But you can feel his earnest desire to do good, and even when he struggles with knowing what the right choice is, you still get the feeling that he is just being who he is. The First Avenger set up the heart of his character VERY well. He's not just a soldier, but a good man. It also didn't take him 3 movies to reach that point. From the very onset, his character was established.

You see it exactly the way I see it. Despite Cap being an earnest do gooder he's not boring or a caricature nor is he without edge. And your subtle sense of humor comment is exactly what I want to see from Superman. When I say I want more humor (and I'm not really complaining about these people) I am accused by some people of wanting him to turn into Iron Man and have him start quipping all of the time or that I want a recreation of 70's/80's movie Superman. Those accusations could not be further from the truth. I've always felt that Superman's humor should be subtle.

Snyder/Goyer's Superman is a good guy who wants to help people, I'll acknowledge that, and sometimes they let the light shine through but his inner turmoil/darkness/detachment is too pronounced most of the time, it uncomfortably overshadows the fact that he is just a good guy/alien who was raised on a farm. Superman isn't an anti-hero like Batman he should be radiating more light as a character. He's such a powerful character that it is off putting for him to be radiating as much darkness as he is. Hulk is supposed to be an over powered off putting character, not Superman.

 

[Herolee10]

This film should be Snyder's final attempt to do complete justice for Henry's Superman.

If Snyder can't present Superman in this film in a way where people won't be talking about something controversial that Superman did or think of him as somewhat of an afterthought, then Snyder should be completely removed and banned from anything Superman related.

Snyder SHOULD HAVE gotten superman right in the second film. Snyder may have brought Superman back on the big screen after SR, but the dude has in no way breathed new life into the character.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Snyder could give us the best version of this Superman and one of the best versions of the character ever in Justice League and I still don't want him to direct anymore DCEU films. I still don't want him to direct Justice League. That feeling will never change.

 

[Quasimod0]

You see it exactly the way I see it. Despite Cap being an earnest do gooder he's not boring or a caricature nor is he without edge. And your subtle sense of humor comment is exactly what I want to see from Superman. When I say I want more humor (and I'm not really complaining about these people) I am accused by some people of wanting him to turn into Iron Man and have him start quipping all of the time or that I want a recreation of 70's/80's movie Superman. Those accusations could not be further from the truth. I've always felt that Superman's humor should be subtle.

Snyder/Goyer's Superman is a good guy who wants to help people, I'll acknowledge that, and sometimes they let the light shine through but his inner turmoil/darkness/detachment is too pronounced most of the time, it uncomfortably overshadows the fact that he is just a good guy/alien who was raised on a farm. Superman isn't an anti-hero like Batman he should be radiating more light as a character. He's such a powerful character that it is off putting for him to be radiating as much darkness as he is. Hulk is supposed to be an over powered off putting character, not Superman.

I'm glad to see someone who agrees with me about Superman.
I'd love to see him show that his spirit isn't being broken, no matter how much hate the world throws at him, no matter how conflicted he may feel. In BvS he seemed close to giving up completely. And even though he kept saving people, I never got that warm feeling that I should get from Superman, whether he is conflicted or not.

Speaking of Hulk, I actually cheered for him in Avengers when he was saving the day. I, and so many other people, fell in love with the Hulk in that movie. I want crowd-pleasing stand up and cheer moment for Superman in Justice League, like Hulk got in that movie. The tone doesn't have to change at all to give the audience a moment of pure joy like that. Dark tone doesn't mean it has to be joyless.

 

[Quasimod0]

Just saw this quote from Zack Snyder:
"They asked me to direct a "Superman movie", and I said no," Snyder says. "He's a tricky one nowadays, isn't he? He's the king daddy of all comic-book heroes, but I'm just not sure how you sell that kind of earnestness to a sophisticated audience anymore."

Look at Cap. That's how you do it.

 

[Herolee10]

Snyder could give us the best version of this Superman and one of the best versions of the character ever in Justice League and I still don't want him to direct anymore DCEU films. I still don't want him to direct Justice League. That feeling will never change.

True.

It's also very irritating that the only time we, as fans, can end up looking towards a DC film is when it isn't one of Snyder's, who's positioned himself to be the Director of the big Justice League films.

Fans shouldn't have to wait with fear and anxiety on how a Director can ruin or mess up with a film that features their favorite DC characters. What's the point of getting invested in a franchise when you feel like you have to be cautious about how you feel due to the Director's inability to create something special for a lot of people?

 

[Super Kal]

You see it exactly the way I see it. Despite Cap being an earnest do gooder he's not boring or a caricature nor is he without edge. And your subtle sense of humor comment is exactly what I want to see from Superman. When I say I want more humor (and I'm not really complaining about these people) I am accused by some people of wanting him to turn into Iron Man and have him start quipping all of the time or that I want a recreation of 70's/80's movie Superman. Those accusations could not be further from the truth. I've always felt that Superman's humor should be subtle.

Snyder/Goyer's Superman is a good guy who wants to help people, I'll acknowledge that, and sometimes they let the light shine through but his inner turmoil/darkness/detachment is too pronounced most of the time, it uncomfortably overshadows the fact that he is just a good guy/alien who was raised on a farm. Superman isn't an anti-hero like Batman he should be radiating more light as a character. He's such a powerful character that it is off putting for him to be radiating as much darkness as he is. Hulk is supposed to be an over powered off putting character, not Superman.

YES!!

 

[Herolee10]

Just saw this quote from Zack Snyder:
"They asked me to direct a "Superman movie", and I said no," Snyder says. "He's a tricky one nowadays, isn't he? He's the king daddy of all comic-book heroes, but I'm just not sure how you sell that kind of earnestness to a sophisticated audience anymore."

Look at Cap. That's how you do it.

Let's not forget Zack Snyder, the man that had Superman calmly watch his father die from a Tornado, make him into one of the more controversial heroes of modern age cinema, and killed him at the end of his second film.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm glad to see someone who agrees with me about Superman.
I'd love to see him show that his spirit isn't being broken, no matter how much hate the world throws at him, no matter how conflicted he may feel. In BvS he seemed close to giving up completely. And even though he kept saving people, I never got that warm feeling that I should get from Superman, whether he is conflicted or not.

Speaking of Hulk, I actually cheered for him in Avengers when he was saving the day. I, and so many other people, fell in love with the Hulk in that movie. I want crowd-pleasing stand up and cheer moment for Superman in Justice League, like Hulk got in that movie. The tone doesn't have to change at all to give the audience a moment of pure joy like that. Dark tone doesn't mean it has to be joyless.

Hulk shtick is being out an out of control rage monster, that's why people can dig him, at least the Avengers version of him. I agree that Superman needs a big crowd pleasing moment in Justice League.

The tone of the DCEU is, I feel, darker than it should be but overall I agree that a darkish tone does not mean that a film should be devoid of joy.

True.

It's also very irritating that the only time we, as fans, can end up looking towards a DC film is when it isn't one of Snyder's, who's positioned himself to be the Director of the big Justice League films.

Fans shouldn't have to wait with fear and anxiety on how a Director can ruin or mess up with a film that features their favorite DC characters. What's the point of getting invested in a franchise when you feel like you have to be cautious about how you feel due to the Director's inability to create something special for a lot of people?

The whole situation is very irritating and it doesn't have to be that way. I mean how many films with mixed audience reception does Snyder have to direct before WB wises up?

Honestly even if I liked BvS I still wouldn't have minded Snyder not directing Justice League, it's not like he is the best choice.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, the ONLY thing that I'm hoping for that I think we can somewhat realistically expect to see involving Henry's Superman, is a happy reunion between him and Lois in this film. Heck, we'd be lucky if they did the "wedding" for the two by the end of this film.

Aside from that, I'm not expecting anything else for Superman in this film. Maybe a few impressive visuals, but that's about the most of it.

 

[Quasimod0]

Those are low expectations But I can't say I disagree

 

[Herolee10]

Those are low expectations But I can't say I disagree

It's really the sad but brutal truth of our situation. This is what Superman fans have been regressed to. We're really not that much better off than what fans of Cyclopes had to endure back in the X2-X3 days.

Well, unless Amy was lying about it, given that she confirmed that she's going to be in JL2, I think that we at least don't have to worry about the Injustice Story line coming to play in this film.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

We have been trained to have low expectations. We have a director that doesn't take criticism seriously and a studio that is in love with that director despite the mixed reception that his films not named 300 and Dawn of the Dead continue to garner.

 

[Mad Ones]

Superman fans are WAY better off than Cyclops fans were in the X2-X3 days haha.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Superman fans are WAY better off than Cyclops fans were in the X2-X3 days haha.

I agree. Cyclops didn't have 1 and half movies. Cyclops would never get half of a movie, let alone a solo movie. Cyclops is nothing but a throwaway character outside of the first X-Men film.

 

[Herolee10]

At least Cyclops was killed in his third appearance (aka third X-Men Film) as opposed to his second.lol

You know, some people compare Snyder to that of Joel Schumacher but the difference between them is that Joel is capable of admitting when he messed up. Snyder on the other hand, not so much.

I hope that we can at least get ONE great Superman film with Henry and Amy, that isn't considered to be controversial or medicore, post JL 1..without Snyder attached as its Director, Writer, or Creative Consultant.