Heroes vs. 24: Ratings Battle

Nice, Heroes' ratings went up.

Same for 24.
 
Seems both shows are still continuing to do well...Even though they're close in the ratings, it's good to know that Heroes is owning.
 
neemer5 said:
Apparently the gap is closing. 24 had 7.9 and Heroes had 8.2
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Those are the overall total ratings, yes.

The charts that have been posted so far have been using the ratings for the Age 18-49 group, which is the group that is considered "key" in the ratings battle. This is why the 7.9 and 8.2 that you're seeing for this week right now seem like a big increase. They're actually just different numbers.

I just looked around to try to find the results for the 18-49 Age Group, but can't find it yet. I'll keep looking...



Edit: Whoops. Just notice that those aren't the overall ratings. The numbers I'm seeing are:

24: 9.2
Heroes: 8.9

So are those numbers from the 18-49 range? Where did you find them?
 
USA Today's website breaks down the ratings in overall, key demo, cable and 50+. You have to wait a week to get the official ratings for this week's shows.

Code: 
[SIZE="4"]Nielsen ratings, Feb. 12-18[/SIZE]
[I]Tops among ages 18-49[/I]
[B]Rank 	Show title 	Network 	Viewers in millions[/B]
1.      American Idol (Tues) 	Fox 	17.0
2.      American Idol (Wed) 	Fox 	16.0
3.      House 	Fox 	14.6
4.      Grey's Anatomy 	ABC 	14.1
5.      CSI 	CBS 	9.5
6.      Desperate Housewives 	ABC 	9.2
7.      CSI: Miami 	CBS 	8.4
[B][U]8.      Heroes 	NBC 	8.2[/U][/B]
9.      Lost 	ABC 	7.4
10.    Survivor: Fiji 	CBS 	7.3
11.    Extreme Makeover: Home Edition 	ABC 	7.0
[B][U]12.    24 	Fox 	6.6[/U][/B]
[B][U]13.    Rules of Engagement 	CBS 	6.4
	Two and Half Men 	CBS 	6.4[/U][/B]
	Law & Order: SVU 	NBC 	6.4
[B][U]16.    24 	Fox 	6.3[/U][/B]
	ER 	NBC 	6.3
18.    Deal or No Deal 	NBC 	6.0
19.    Ugly Betty 	ABC 	5.9
	CSI: NY 	CBS 	5.9
[I]
Top broadcast shows[/I]
[B]Rank 	Season average 	Show title 	Network 	Viewers in millions[/B]
1.       1 	American Idol (Tues) 	Fox 	31.2
2.       2 	American Idol (Wed) 	Fox 	28.9
3.       8 	House 	Fox 	26.0
4.       5 	Grey's Anatomy 	ABC 	25.8
5.       3 	CSI 	CBS 	22.7
6.       8 	CSI: Miami 	CBS 	19.9
7.       6 	Desperate Housewives 	ABC 	18.5
8.      12 	Survivor: Fiji 	CBS 	16.1
8.      12 	Deal or No Deal 	NBC 	16.1
[B][U]10.    15 	Two and a Half Men 	CBS 	15.5[/U][/B]
11.    17 	NCIS 	CBS 	15.4
12.    17 	Criminal Minds 	CBS 	15.2
13.    26 	Shark 	CBS 	15.1
14.    17 	CSI: NY 	CBS 	14.8
[U][B]15.    21 	Heroes 	NBC 	14.7[/B][/U]
16.    21 	Extreme Makeover: Home Edition 	ABC 	14.2
[U][B]17.    15 	24 	Fox 	13.7[/B][/U]
17.    29 	Ugly Betty 	ABC 	13.7
[B][U]19.    25 	Rules of Engagement 	CBS 	13.4[/U][/B]
[U][B]20.   N/A 	24 	Fox 	13.1[/B][/U]

What you guys are talking about are shares which you have to be a network exec to understand. Plus NBC is available in more homes than Fox. A 7.9 and 8.2 out of what? Just wait for the millions of viewers.

What's interesting if you check the link is that 14 million 18-49 people watch Grey's Anatomy but 9.5 million 50+ people also watch it. And that only 5.4 million "young" people watch Navy NCIS while 10 million "old" people make up the majority of the audience. Same with the CSIs. CBS is still for older people they've maybe gotten younger by a few years.


Tivo.com Top 25 Most Recorded Shows
Code: 
Rank Name Prev +/-

        Grey's Anatomy  	1  	0
	Desperate Housewives 	2 	0
	American Idol 	3 	0
	Lost 	4 	0
	[B][U]24 	6 	1[/U][/B]
	House 	5 	-1
	CSI: Crime Scene Investigation 	7 	0
	[B][U]Heroes 	8 	0[/U][/B]
	CSI: Miami 	9 	0
	Oprah Winfrey 	10 	0
	The Office 	12 	1
	ER 	11 	-1
	Survivor: Fiji 	17 	4
	Medium 	15 	1
	Brothers & Sisters 	19 	4
	Prison Break 	21 	5
	My Name Is Earl 	16 	-1
	Family Guy 	18 	0
	Criminal Minds 	23 	4
	Las Vegas 	22 	2
	Law & Order: Special Victims Unit 	20 	-1
	Without a Trace 	26 	4
	CSI: NY 	25 	2
	Scrubs 	23 	-1
	Numb3rs 	28 	3
 
slinger said:
What you guys are talking about are shares which you have to be a network exec to understand. Plus NBC is available in more homes than Fox. A 7.9 and 8.2 out of what? Just wait for the millions of viewers.
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It's really not to hard to understand, actually. Here's the explanation from wikipedia:

Nielsen Television Ratings are reported by ranking the percentage for each show of all viewers watching television at a given time. As of September 2006, there are an estimated 110.2 million television households in the USA. A single national ratings point represents 1%, or 1,102,000 households for the 2006-07 season. Share is the percentage of television sets in use tuned to a specific program. These numbers are usually reported as (ratings points/share). For example, Nielsen may report a show as receiving a 9.2/15 during its broadcast, meaning 9.2%, or 10,138,400 households on average were tuned in at any given moment. Additionally, 15% of all televisions in use at the time were tuned into this program. Nielsen re-estimates the number of households each August for the upcoming television season.
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So let's say that there's 1000 homes out there with a TV. Now at 9PM, "Generic Reality Show" ("GRS") and "Generic Drama" ("GD") air on rival stations. Let's say 65 homes watched "GRS", and 35 homes watched "GD". And let's say all of the other 1900 homes were without power and watched nothing.

So we have:

GRS: 65 viewers
GD: 35 viewers
Total: 100 viewers

The first figure we look at is "What percentage of households with a TV were tuned to our show?". These are called the "ratings points". Well, there were 1000 households with a TV, so:

GRS = 6.5
GD = 3.5

The second figure we look at is "What percentage of households that were actively watching something were watching our show?". These are called the "shares". There were 100 total households actively using their TVs (remember 1900 had their TVs off), so:

GRS = 65
GD = 35

So the ratings for this example would look like this:

GRS: 6.5/65
GD: 3.5/35


So when, Feb. 6th for example, "Heroes" had an overall 8.7/12, that meant that 8.7% of every household that owned a TV watched "Heroes", and 12% of every household that had a TV turned on had it on "Heroes".
 
imdaly said:
It's really not to hard to understand, actually. Here's the explanation from wikipedia:



So let's say that there's 1000 homes out there with a TV. Now at 9PM, "Generic Reality Show" ("GRS") and "Generic Drama" ("GD") air on rival stations. Let's say 65 homes watched "GRS", and 35 homes watched "GD". And let's say all of the other 1900 homes were without power and watched nothing.

So we have:

GRS: 65 viewers
GD: 35 viewers
Total: 100 viewers

The first figure we look at is "What percentage of households with a TV were tuned to our show?". These are called the "ratings points". Well, there were 1000 households with a TV, so:

GRS = 6.5
GD = 3.5

The second figure we look at is "What percentage of households that were actively watching something were watching our show?". These are called the "shares". There were 100 total households actively using their TVs (remember 1900 had their TVs off), so:

GRS = 65
GD = 35

So the ratings for this example would look like this:

GRS: 6.5/65
GD: 3.5/35


So when, Feb. 6th for example, "Heroes" had an overall 8.7/12, that meant that 8.7% of every household that owned a TV watched "Heroes", and 12% of every household that had a TV turned on had it on "Heroes".
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Yeah I know that but do regular people talk like that? "Hey did you see Scrubs got a 7.4/12?".
They are the ones who scan over all the possible data looking at the trends and age groups etc.
 
slinger said:
Yeah I know that but do regular people talk like that? "Hey did you see Scrubs got a 7.4/12?".
They are the ones who scan over all the possible data looking at the trends and age groups etc.
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No, regular people talk in millions of viewers. I hate the US ratings system. We just talk in millions over here in the UK. Everyone knows where they're at with it.
 
Avalanche said:
No, regular people talk in millions of viewers. I hate the US ratings system. We just talk in millions over here in the UK. Everyone knows where they're at with it.
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Yeah when the ratings are talked about on entertainment or news shows they list the millions of viewers. Movies at the box office are told in dollars not roughly how many tickets were sold out of all the tickets sold over the weekend. That's for the studio execs to breakdown.
 
I know this maybe a little off topic but there is a MadTV clip that features Chloe of 24 (Mary Lynn Rajskub) and Bobby lee (who she mistakes as Masi Oka). Its hilarious how he pretends to be Masi. :woot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z6IFUOW5Lw


"Inside you want ethnic love and you know that"
 
that link was great! Especially when he says yahoo and repeats it
 
anyone know if the ratings came in yet for both Heroes and Black Donnellys?
 
http://www.syfyportal.com/news423327.html

Feb-27-2007

It looks like "Heroes" is quite comfortable sitting in second place. The hit NBC show pulled in an 8.4 rating/13 share -- a slight improvement over the previous week's 8.2/12 -- to continue being the best-rated drama of network television's Monday 9 p.m. timeslot.
The key now for NBC, however, is to find a show to follow it.

"Heroes" finished ahead of "24" on Fox once again, the Kiefer Sutherland series pulling in a 7.9/12, according to Nielsen Media Research's Fast Nationals. Both shows finished behind the CBS comedy block of "Two and a Half Men" (10.5/16) and "Rules of Engagement" (8.7/13), but ahead of "Supernanny" on ABC, which picked up an improved 6.6/10.

"The Black Donnellys," a crime series created by the writer of "Million Dollar Baby" and "Crash," didn't do well as a lead-out show, however, finishing with just over 60 percent of the audience that had tuned in to "Heroes" the hour before with a 5.5/9. Those ratings aren't much better than what "Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip" was earning in the timeslot, and could mean some continued schedule shifting from there. "CSI: Miami" won that hour with an 11.0/18, with Oprah Winfrey's "Building a Dream" finishing in second on ABC with a 6.2/10.

NBC still finished behind CBS for the night however, but not by much. CBS earned an 8.8/14 while NBC had an 8.2/13, Zap2it reported. Fox was well behind with a 6.9/10 followed in fourth by ABC with a 6.2/10.

NBC did win the key demographic of adults 18 to 49, however, with a 4.9 rating, edging out CBS' 4.7.

Fast nationals usually provide a snapshot of what Americans are watching by pulling numbers from the top urban markets that includes both live viewing and same-day timeshifted viewing. A rating point generally represents more than 1.1 million households while the share indicates the percentage of televisions turned on that was tuned to the specific program. These numbers typically shift when final ratings are issued.
 
I'm glad to see Heroes pulling its own against 24.

My roommate likes 24, so that's what we watch. And I'm cool with catching Heroes later. But I always feel personally responsible for trying (or not trying) to boost the ratings.
 
O yeah, Heroes pwned 24 this week. And get ready for it again Mr. Baur. Cause Monday you're going to get it twice as hard. :cmad:
 
I care more about Spidey's box office than tv show ratings; I been watching 24 every Monday, but I guess I'll be catching Heroes next week lol
 
anybody got the ratings for Monday's ep, and same for Black Donnellys? :cool:
 
Fast National ratings for Monday, March 5, 2007.

The last new episode of "Heroes" until April helped NBC overcome another stale performance from "The Black Donnellys" on Monday night.

"Heroes" did an 8.5/13 for NBC, beating CBS' "Two and a Half Men" and "Rules of Engagement" in total viewers, but not in ratings, where CBS had an 8.9/13. FOX was third with "24," while ABC's "Supernanny" had a 6.4/9 for fourth. The CW's repeats of "Girlfriends" and "The Game" were fifth.
 
Damn, they slipped a lot this week
 
This looks to be the best ratings site on the net, updated at 12pm EST everyday.
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/55210535
Prime Time Ratings:
Monday 5/21/07

The following results are based on the fast national ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 15.15 million, NBC: 10.70, CBS: 10.60, Fox: 10.19, CW: 1.85

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 4.9 rating/13 share, NBC: 4.1/11, Fox: 3.8/10, CBS: 3.3/ 9, CW: 0.7/ 2

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Dancing With the Stars (ABC), The Bachelor: An Officer and a Gentleman (ABC), Heroes (NBC)

-Disappointing:
24 (Fox)

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-Ratings Breakdown:
Led by the final competition on this season’s Dancing With the Stars, ABC cha-cha-ed to victory with an advantage over second-place NBC of a significant 4.44 million viewers and 20 percent among adults 18-49. Tied for third and fourth overall were a night of repeats on CBS and the season-finale of 24 on Fox, followed by repeat-riddled The CW.

Dancing With the Stars opened the evening for ABC with a stellar 19.75 million viewers and a 5.1 rating/15 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9 p.m. Comparably, the second most-watched show in the hour was the Monday season-finale of NBC’s fading Deal or No Deal at a distant 9.66 million viewers (and a third-place 3.0/ 9 among adults 18-49). The first-hour of the expanded season-finale of Fox’s 24 averaged 9.34 million viewers (#3) and a second-place 3.5/10 among adults 18-49.

Also in the 8 p.m. hour were back-to-back repeats of CBS’ Two and a Half Men (Viewers: #4, 8.22 million; A18-49: #3, 3.0/ 9), and repeats of Everybody Hates Chris (Viewers: 2.0/ 6 million; A18-49: 0.8/ 2) and the canceled All of Us (Viewers: 1.88 million, A18-49: 0.8/ 2) on The CW.

NBC’s Heroes closed season one first in both total viewers (13.21 million) and adults 18-49 (6.1/15) at 9 p.m., with growth out of lead-in Deal of No Deal of 3.55 million viewers and 103 percent among adults 18-49. Second was the first hour of the expanded season-finale of The Bachelor: An Officer and a Gentleman on ABC at 12.46 million viewers and a 4.3/11 among adults 18-49. The second half of Fox’s expanded 24 season-opener averaged 11.04 million viewers (#4) and a third-place 4.0/10 among adults 18-49. Overall, the two-hour telecast of 24 averaged a disappointing 10.19 million viewers and a 3.7/10 in the demo from 8-10 p.m. Comparably, that trailed it’s year-ago season-finale (Viewers: 13.75 million, A18-49: 5.5/14 on Monday, May 22, 2006, based on the final nationals) by a hefty 3.56 million viewers and 27 percent among adults 18-49.

Also in the 9 p.m. hour were repeats of The CW’s Girlfriends (Viewers: 1.75 million, A18-49: 0.7/ 2) and The Game (Viewers: 1.70 million, A18-49: 0.7/ 2).


The second half of ABC’s two-hour The Bachelor season-finale moved into the top spot at 10 p.m., with 13.25 million viewers and a 5.3/14 among adults 18-49. Overall, The Bachelor: An Officer and a Gentleman concluded with a still potent 12.85 million viewers and a 4.8/12 among adults 18-49 from 9-11 p.m. No wonder why ABC renewed it. Second was a repeat of CSI: Miami on CBS (Viewers: 11.48 million; A18-49: 3.5/ 9), followed by the season-finale of NBC’s Law & Order: Criminal Intent at 9.24 million viewers and a 3.2/ 8 in the demo. Next season, look for original episodes of Criminal Intent on USA Network.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
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Prime-Time Ratings:
Monday 9/24/07

The following results are based on the fast affiliate ratings (Live Plus Same Day data)

-Total Viewers:
ABC: 15.38 million, CBS: 12.17, NBC: 10.96, Fox: 6.72, CW: 1.74

-Adults 18-49:
ABC: 4.7 rating/12 share, NBC: 4.6/11, CBS: 4.2/10, Fox: 2.7/ 7, CW: 0.7/ 2

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-Yesterday’s Winners:
Dancing With the Stars (ABC), Heroes (NBC), Two and a Half Men (CBS), CSI: Miami (CBS)

-Honorable Mention:
Rules of Engagement (CBS)

-Noticeable Growth from Lead-in:
The Big Bang Theory (CBS)

-Disappointing:
Chuck (NBC), Journeyman (NBC)

-Yesterday’s Losers (excluding repeats)
How I Met Your Mother (CBS), The Bachelor (ABC), K-Ville (Fox)

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Note: Any prior rating results are based on the final nationals. Also, since the level of DVR penetration has increased from 8.54 percent during premiere week in 2006 to 19.43 million percent at present, the overall results may be negatively impacted.

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-Ratings Breakdown:
On your mark, get set...go. It’s the official start of the 2007-08 season! Led by Dancing With the Stars, ABC opened the season on a winning note, beating No. 2 CBS by 3.21 million viewers. But the race among adults 18-49 was much tighter, with ABC’s advantage over No. 2 NBC just one-tenth of a rating point (or two percent) in the demo. Fox finished a distant fourth overall for the evening, followed by a night of repeats on the CW.

Blockbuster Dancing With the Stars stood head and shoulders above the rest, with the season-premiere at 21.19 million viewers and a 5.8 rating/20 share among adults 18-49 from 8-9:30 p.m. Comparably, that more than doubled year-ago opening Monday levels for occupant Wife Swap. As for last night’s weak link, that’s easy: Josie Maran.

Dancing With the Stars led into the 90-minute season-premiere of The Bachelor, with a modest 9.57 million viewers and a 3.5/ 9 among adults 18-49 from 9:30-11 p.m. Comparably, that put retention for The Bachelor out of the last half-hour of Dancing With the Stars (Viewers: 21.30 million; A18-49: 5.9/14) of just 45 percent in total viewers and 59 percent in the demo. Sorry, but that is just not good enough. As a reminder, sitcom Samantha Who? debuts out of Dancing With the Stars at 9:30 p.m. on Oct. 15.

Over at CBS, the third-season premiere of How I Met Your Mother took a tumble, with a third-place finish in both total viewers (8.27 million) and adults 18-49 (3.2/ 9) at 8 p.m. Former failed time period occupant The Class kicked-off the 2006-07 season (on Sept. 18, 2006) with a heftier 10.48 million viewers and a 3.6/10 among adults 18-49 (leading into the second season-premiere of How I Met Your Mother at 10.48 million viewers and a 3.8/10 in the demo). Remember, year-ago comparisons are based on the final nationals. How I Met Your Mother led into the debut of sitcom The Big Bang Theory (Viewers: #3, 9.57 million; A18-49: #3, 3.7/ 9), which managed to build out of How I Met Your Mother by 1.30 million viewers and 16 percent in the demo. That’s a positive.

Next on CBS was the season-premiere of Two and a Half Men with 13.44 million viewers (#3) and an also third-place 4.7/11 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m. (down by 1.65 million viewers and six percent in the demo on season opening Monday in 2006), followed by the season-premieres of Rules of Engagement (Viewers: #2, 12.08 million; A18-49: #3, 4.4/10) and CSI: Miami (Viewers: #1, 14.84 million; A18-49: #1, 4.6/12) from 9:30-11 p.m. Worth positively noting for Rules of Engagement was retention out of Two and a Half Men of 90 percent in total viewers and 94 percent among adults 18-49. Dominant CSI: Miami, meanwhile, dipped by a minor levels from opening levels last season (Viewers: 17.62 million; A18-49: 5.8/15 on Sept. 18, 2006).

NBC dramedy Chuck got some sampling in the 8 p.m. hour, with a second-place finish in both total viewers (9.28 million) and adults 18-49 (3.6/ 9). But comparably that was off by double-digit percentages from the first half of a two-hour edition of former occupant Deal or No Deal one year earlier. Chuck led into the second season-premiere of Heroes at a healthy 14.12 million viewers (#2) and a first-place 6.5/15 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m. Comparably, Heroes debuted on the year-ago evening with 14.09 million viewers and a 5.9/14 in the demo.

Heroes led into the premiere of drama Journeyman, with 9.48 million viewers (#2) and a 3.7/ 9 among adults 18-49 (#2) from 10-11 p.m. Comparably, former failed occupant Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip kicked-off in this hour with a much healthier 13.41 million viewers and a 5.0/13 among adults 18-49 on Sept. 18, 2006. Retention for Journeyman out of Heroes was 67 percent in total viewers and 57 percent among adults 18-49 percent. But what was more concerning for Journeyman was a loss in the second half-hour of 1.24 million viewers (10.10 to 8.86 million) and 15 percent among adults 18-49 (4.0/10 to 3.4/ 9).

Over at Fox, diluted Prison Break (Viewers: #4, 7.28 million; A18-49: #4, 3.1/ 8) was similar to it’s week-ago season-premiere, but week two of crime drama K-Ville dipped to 6.17 million viewers and a 2.3/ 5 in the demo at 9 p.m. Comparably, that was a decline of a hefty 2.76 million viewers (8.93 to 6.17 million) and 30 percent among adults 18-49 (3.3/ 8 to 2.3/ 5) from it’s week-ago debut.

The CW capped off this opening season Monday with repeats of Everybody Hates Chris (two episodes: Viewers: avg. 1.82 million; A18-49: avg. 0.7/ 2), Girlfriends (Viewers: 1.56 million; A18-49: 0.7/ 2) and The Game (Viewers: 1.77 million; A18-49: 0.7/ 2). Original episodes of the CWs Monday comedy block begin next week.

Source: Nielsen Media Research data
 
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