He's The Secret Weapon... David Ayer IS the Director and Script Writer

[Greens]

I actually didn't mind Sabotage. It was kinda fun to watch.

I didn't hate it, either.

It was worth it for the 48% body fat scene.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ayer basically admitted to making Sabotage for a quick buck. Also, he had to work with a script written by our friend Skip Woods of Wolverine Origins and Die Hard 5 fame.

Ah yes that was it. He basically admitted he had no passion for the movie.

 

[TWayneP]

I didn't hate it, either.

It was worth it for the 48% body fat scene.

Hell I really don't remember a damn thing about it except Arnold's haircut to be honest. I just remember thinking "Huh... that wasn't so bad" at the end lol.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ayer basically admitted to making Sabotage for a quick buck. Also, he had to work with a script written by our friend Skip Woods of Wolverine Origins and Die Hard 5 fame.

From the sound of it, he made the Suicide Squad for a quick buck as well. Who exactly agrees to 6 weeks to write a script if they are serious about a project?

 

[-JKR-]

Man, Warner Bros are going through rough times since Jeff Robinov left. That's probably where the 'director-friendly' iteration of the studio ended. They shuold've left David Ayer's vision for this alone, instead of worrying that the movie (about a bunch of psychopaths and criminals teaming up) is not going to be 'family-friendly' enough. I don't think Kevin Tsujihara really knows what he's doing. The studio has went through several flops, such as "Pan" and "Tarzan".

 

[Greens]

From the sound of it, he made the Suicide Squad for a quick buck as well. Who exactly agrees to 6 weeks to write a script if they are serious about a project?

Someone who desperately wants in on the action. This was his chance to land a DC project and he took it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Someone who desperately wants in on the action. This was his chance to land a DC project and he took it.

Which is fine. But then I don't buy that he was super serious about this project either. Abrams fought for time over TFA. Extended his window by over 6 months.

 

[-JKR-]

Someone who desperately wants in on the action. This was his chance to land a DC project and he took it.

And he's a fast writer. I don't really think that's exactly the problem. Worrying about another movie's reception ("Batman V Superman") and trying to pander to the on-line critics and folks is what can break a movie. You gotta let a movie be what it is. If David Ayer's vision had a dark and somber tone, well, that's what they should've went with.

 

[Greens]

Which is fine. But then I don't buy that he was super serious about this project either. Abrams fought for time over TFA. Extended his window by over 6 months.

WB obviously didn't have 6 months to spare. Nobody knows what went on there, but to say that Ayer didn't care is jumping to conclusions.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

WB obviously didn't have 6 months to spare. Nobody knows what went on there, but to say that Ayer didn't care is jumping to conclusions.

I didn't say he didn't care. I am saying he clearly wasn't worried about getting his vision on screen to an amount that mattered. What happened to integrity?

 

[MadVillainy]

From the sound of it, he made the Suicide Squad for a quick buck as well. Who exactly agrees to 6 weeks to write a script if they are serious about a project?

Someone who wants a quick buck as you said and also someone who wants to get their next film greenlit at WB. Unfortunately WB didn't do that for him with Bright

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And he's a fast writer. I don't really think that's exactly the problem. Worrying about another movie's reception ("Batman V Superman") and trying to pander to the on-line critics and folks is what can break a movie. You gotta let a movie be what it is. If David Ayer's vision had a dark and somber tone, well, that's what they should've went with.

This movie was interfered with from the start. This has been mentioned in articles release over the last couple of days. This wasn't just reactionary to BvS. They were testing the film and trailers for a while, and they already had different versions from the jump. Ayer clearly knew he didn't have final cut. Again, he was okay with this.

 

[Greens]

I didn't say he didn't care. I am saying he clearly wasn't worried about getting his vision on screen to an amount that mattered. What happened to integrity?

Maybe he thought he could overcome the restrictions?

 

[-JKR-]

This movie was interfered with from the start. This has been mentioned in articles release over the last couple of days. This wasn't just reactionary to BvS. They were testing the film and trailers for a while, and they already had different versions from the jump. Ayer clearly knew he didn't have final cut. Again, he was okay with this.

Who says he was okay with this? The articles clearly talk about there being tension between him and the studio. Who tells you he didn't fight for his vision? It's just that, at the end of the day, Warners are still the ones owning the movie, so he can fight as much as he wants, but if they say "no" it's "no". And at that point he can either collaborate to try and find common ground, or walk and leave it completely in their hands.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Maybe he thought he could overcome the restrictions?

He was going to overcome 6 weeks of writing and signing away final cut... okay. Well if you want to believe that, that is up to you.

 

[Greens]

He was going to overcome 6 weeks of writing and signing away final cut... okay. Well if you want to believe that, that is up to you.

I'm just speculating. It sounds like you've already made up your mind.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And he's a fast writer. I don't really think that's exactly the problem. Worrying about another movie's reception ("Batman V Superman") and trying to pander to the on-line critics and folks is what can break a movie. You gotta let a movie be what it is. If David Ayer's vision had a dark and somber tone, well, that's what they should've went with.

Totally agreed. Trying to make the movie into something else half way through is just idiotic on WB's part.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Who says he was okay with this? The articles clearly talk about there being tension between him and the studio. Who tells you he didn't fight for his vision? It's just that, at the end of the day, Warners are still the ones owning the movie, so he can fight as much as he wants, but if they say "no" it's "no". And at that point he can either collaborate to try and find common ground, or walk and leave it completely in their hands.

Do you know why this tension exist? Because he signed away final cut and agreed to what WB wanted from the start. Do you think Nolan signed away final cut for TDK or TDKR? For Inception? That JJ Abrams was like, "well I know you have been courting me for over a year LF, but I yeah, you can have final cut on TFA".

For almost two years the idea was that Ayer was going to get to have his vision. This was clearly never the case. So it was a lie from everyone involved.

By the way, he was completely left out in the end, as a bunch of trailer people were the ones who ended up making the final cut of Suicide Squad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm just speculating. It sounds like you've already made up your mind.

On what? I don't know how good the movie is yet, but this is certainly not Ayer's movie, and he was apparently willing to sign away that right from the start. If not he couldn't be locked out of the editing room for a bunch of trailer people.

When Edgar Wright battled with Marvel over Ant-Man, how did he handle it? He respectfully walked away. He didn't lie, he didn't bash, he just thanked them and moved on.

 

[Plaidchuck]

Wondering if this is why Mclaren left WW. Not that she would have made a better movie, but you never know.

 

[MadVillainy]

Nolan really got the deal of a lifetime when it came to TDKS. Getting final cut when he had no big smash hits under his belt? Crazy

 

[FunkMiller]

Nolan really got the deal of a lifetime when it came to TDKS. Getting final cut when he had no big smash hits under his belt? Crazy

Insomnia was proof to WB he could carry a movie. Batman Begins kept the budget down, and his pitch was nothing short of a revelation to the execs who were desperate to reboot the Batman franchise. It's testament to Nolan's talent and skill that he got BB off the ground the way he did.

 

[FunkMiller]

From the sound of it, he made the Suicide Squad for a quick buck as well. Who exactly agrees to 6 weeks to write a script if they are serious about a project?

Strikes me that six weeks is a fine amount of time to write a down and dirty, r-rated, inexpensive comic book flick about third tier characters.

It's not long enough to write a blockbuster tent pole that is meant to help usher in an entire cinematic universe.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nolan really got the deal of a lifetime when it came to TDKS. Getting final cut when he had no big smash hits under his belt? Crazy

I don't think he had final cut on Begins. But he made such a good film that had great legs, and killed it on home media, he got final cut on TDK. Also Nolan always wins brownie points for finishing on time and coming in under budget like every time. He is a studio's dream.

 

[The Chris]

Ayer basically admitted to making Sabotage for a quick buck. Also, he had to work with a script written by our friend Skip Woods of Wolverine Origins and Die Hard 5 fame.

I remember seeing Sabotage simply for Ayer and Arnold and thinking afterwards that they were the only reasons it was watchable. I like Ayer a lot so I'm disappointing in hearing about this. I guess it really shouldn't be surprising now that his next film is with Netflix i think. For a studio that prides itself in supporting the filmmakers WB sure doesn't do it.