Honestly, what are your thoughts on Kill Bill?

[Asharad]

It was pretty stupid and all around unintelligent, but it had some cool action scenes.

^^^^^

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just watched the first movie for the first time in a good while, had forgotten how good it was, great movie and one of Tarantino's best.

 

[CJ]

I never got why these films were so massively popular. Volume 1 was an average film at best, Volume 2 was a total snoozefest.

 

[Great Cthulhu]

I didn't particularly like them, they were okay films.

 

[Lord]

I never got why these films were so massively popular. Volume 1 was an average film at best, Volume 2 was a total snoozefest.

Dialogue, characters and interesting style

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Awesome movies

 

[cheungcheung]

Volume 1 is one of my fave movies ever.

 

[Batmannerism]

Yeah, I'm not really a huge Tarantino fan, he's okay, but not my fave.

Part 1: well, it has some pretty enjoyable bits, the anime sequence is pretty spooky (and appropriately surreal).

The subject matter had some pretty disturbing twists to it, which werent' to my taste.

The final fight with the crazy 88, pushes excess too far - it is possible to to the cliche of one warrior against thousands convincingly, but the splatter made it ridiculous ( i know Tarantino was going for something specific there but it didn't appeal to me).

All in all, I give it a 7/10, as an homage film with some very original stuff, a couple of brilliant fight scenes ( IMO the vernita green fight is the best, with the O-Ren Ishii a close second).

Kill Bill Part 2..... different story. Really enjoyed it. This one Tarantino nailed - the bit where she gets buried alive will haunt me forever. I remember being in the studio and the screen is totally black and you hear the earth being piled on.... it's like you're in there with her.

This guy summed it up very economically and perfectly

Vol. 2 > Vol 1. IMHO

Vol. 1 is more fun and wild, but Vol. 2 is more emotionally engaging for me.

Totally agree, part 2 really gets you emotionally invested in the characters.

The Pai Mei stuff was a bit silly, but served its purpose.

The fight with Daryl Hannah was sufficiently brutal.

The final chat with Carradine was great - probably his best performance ever - and his death by five-point-palm-exploding-heart-technique was utterly perfect.

have to give part 2 a 8/10. A better film.

I think if he had cut some action out of the first film and put a little more in the second, it would have been perfect.

I guess my big problem with Tarantino is that a lot of his villains are pretty one dimensional ( well, except Ordell Robbie in Jackie Brown), here Bill is able to remain an utterly evil character but still have some redeeming features - so you respect him, but feel his death is utterly justified.

I didn't enjoy Django, or Inglorious Basterds - I guess without Uma Thurman Tarantino's mojo isn't as strong.

Resevoir Dogs was a pretty amazing film - and really groundbreaking for its time, and Pulp fiction is a masterpiece. Kill Bill was a decent two-parter, but not his best work (although better than his recent stuff).

But this is just IMO, so settle down all you Tarantino fanboys, I'm not saying you're wrong or QT isn't a very talented guy.

 

[flickchick85]

I too preferred Vol. 2. Vol.1 was great fun the first couple viewings, but it ultimately feels a bit empty compared to the 2nd part for me.

 

[Frankeh]

Vol 2 indeed has some strong character work at display which puts it above Vol 1 imo. The third act which is basically a very long conversation between The Bride and Bill is great.

 

[Galactus10]

Vol. 1 is pretty good, not a huge fan of the ending.


Vol. 2, however, is excellent and I love the entire thing but particularly the ending and the dialogue of David Carradine

 

[PopeAdrian37th]

I love both movies, my only complaint is the way Bill dies. You watch over 4 hours of great cinema to get a speech that misunderstands Superman, 2 trades of swords, and a deathly love tap - hardly the epic conclusion to honor the title.

 

[BlackFox]

Volume 1 is one of my favourite QT films. It could be based on a comic book the way its brightly coloured and OTT with the action. The use of manga in the film and the iconic fight at the end is just great to me.

Volume 2 was decent but a bit of a letdown, felt a bit of a step down from the first and the final confrontation was a massive anti-climax.

Which is probably why I own the first and not the second.

 

[Lord]

I guess my big problem with Tarantino is that a lot of his villains are pretty one dimensional ( well, except Ordell Robbie in Jackie Brown), here Bill is able to remain an utterly evil character but still have some redeeming features - so you respect him, but feel his death is utterly justified.

What? One-dimensional? I actualy find villains to be one of Tarantino's biggest strengths. He doesn't need to give them sympathetic pasts to make them likeable, they're likeable because they feel human and authentic. The way Bill, Hans Landa and Calvin Candie justify their actions is a great example of that. Tarantino knows people can do terrible things, many without even having the pretense of being good people.

I realy don't understand what you mean with one-dimensional, a villain can be a terrible person without sad backgrounds and still be a non-apologetic terrible person, doesn't make them one-dimensional at all.

 

[Batmannerism]

I love both movies, my only complaint is the way Bill dies. You watch over 4 hours of great cinema to get a speech that misunderstands Superman, 2 trades of swords, and a deathly love tap - hardly the epic conclusion to honor the title.

Yeah, I disagree with you there. I felt it was the perfect way to die - the one technique Pai Mei never taught him (which also meant that BK was his greatest student) but also that he had to own up for what he had done and face down his fate - for me it really worked.

Besides, Bill was too complex a character to be simply beheaded or sliced up in a duel, and his relationship with BK was a complex one too, love and betrayal and anger and regret , and then the influence of the daughter (who made Bill a better person) ..... it was almost the way real relationships are (by that I mean complicated and mixed up, not with the kung fu, swordfights and death touch techniques). Despite Bill's actions he still loved BK, and she loved him but at the same time couldn't let him live - and he knew he had to die.

So, I guess it fit the whole messed up position that BK is in at the end of the film.

But that's just me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrigaQbUvZQ

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I like Vol. 2 as well a lot but I agree the final confrontation with Bill was a let down. The whole movie is called Kill Bill yet he dies in 5 seconds.

 

[Lord]

Not realy, the confrontation with Bill took in least 20 minutes. It's not just about physical fighting, it's about him and the Bride dealing with their issues.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not realy, the confrontation with Bill took in least 20 minutes. It's not just about physical fighting, it's about him and the Bride dealing with their issues.

Yeah I get that, and the talking bits I actually enjoy a lot, but I expected more than a 5 second fight at the end of it.

 

[Lord]

So did Bill, which kind of was the point.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So did Bill, which kind of was the point.

Still not very satisfying for the viewer though. Mi liked all other aspects of the ending but that.

 

[The Joker]

The fight with Bill should have been the best one considering he was the leader of the Deadly Vipers, and the one the Bride had it in for the most. Very disappointing on that score.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The fight with Bill should have been the best one considering he was the leader of the Deadly Vipers, and the one the Bride had it in for the most. Very disappointing on that score.

Agreed, should have been much more than what we got.

 

[Lord]

It has to first and foremost make sense in the story. Not every action film needs to end on a long fight.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It has to first and foremost make sense in the story. Not every action film needs to end on a long fight.

I agree, one called Kill Bill should have a longer fight with said Bill though.

 

[Lord]

It's called Kill Bill, not The Epic Battle with Bill.