Horizon Horizon: Zero Dawn

Yes, I am serious.

The clothes and the hair look more detailed. Its like they just added some filter, to soften up the graphics.
Everything in the photo on the right is more detailed. It's not a situation of "soft graphics". It's a situation of superior lighting and far better graphics.
 
what do you mean "so?" given the fact that the original game still holds up quite well, this remaster comes off as an unnecessary, superfluous cash grab.
So don't buy it. It really is that simple. But I do find the idea of a 10 dollar upgrade some massive cash grab bizarre.

We're halfway through the generation and when I think about high profile Ps5 releases, it's not just that rereleases are a lot of of them, it's that most of them are the ones in the conversation. Most notably the tlou rereleases, but we started the generation off with one too (Spider-Man).

What I think is that most of this generation feels like a rehash of the previous one. and the previous one, although was full of remasters, had more original releases at this point than the current one does.
When I think about my PS5, which I got a launch, I think about God of War Ragnarok, Elden Ring, Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth, Spider-Man 2, Resident Evil 8, Demon Souls, Forbidden West, Rift Apart, Alan Wake II, and countless other great games I've loved playing on the system. It's my favorite system, by far. Them still releasing inferior versions of PS4, hasn't changed that. And I'm super excited to play Veilguard, AC Shadows, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade, and other games soon to be released or in my backlog.

nah. it's not just trolls saying it. I am a consumer who paid $500 at launch in 2020 for a Ps5. I am a lifelong gamer on Playstation, I am not even into 2 out of the 3 IPs you named, and I also am displeased with Sony's practices this generation. and I know there are genuine other fans like me who feel the same way.

maybe trolls/haters/fanboys on non-Playstation platforms are taking advantage of the disappointment the actual community is feeling, but it's definitely coming from gamers who have been genuinely waiting for their hype & patience to be satisfied.
There are upset fans every gen. That doesn't change that the vast majority of Playstation fans are happy. Especially compared to Microsoft fans. Who are all realizing that bought a system which is about to finally get exclusives and they are all going to come out on Playstation. Which is just another feather in the PS5's cap.

Though I'm curious. Which Sony studios aren't pulling their weight, exactly?
yeah, that's another common sentiment going around in conversations too. but I am not counting them out yet. they have a chance to turn things around in my book, it all depends on if they play their cards right.
What a thing to say, when Microsoft has basically blown itself up. Why so much more grace for Microsoft?
 
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They're doing it because it's a PS4 game and they want the collection complete on PS5. That said, 10 hours of new recorded dialogue isn't a tiny endeavor.

Both Nintendo and Sony do this. And I prefer it to games being lost on pass gen consoles. It's there for the fans and for those who missed it the first time around. If others don't want it, they don't have to get it. On the same show, they showed off a brand new first party Ghost game. They just had a critical darling come out this month. They make plenty of new games too. Including a brand new Horizon game. So I'm completely confused by what you seem to be upset about.

To be fair to Nintendo, they are largely bringing games over from a system no one bought.
 
What did they do to her face?
 
Bayonetta 2. :atp:
Okay. I can't fault you for that.

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So don't buy it. It really is that simple.
Yeah I know it's simple and I already decided that I won't buy it. But that doesn't mean I won't express my opinion on it happening in the first place.
But I do find the idea of a 10 dollar upgrade some massive cash grab bizarre.
I don't find it bizarre at all. Even if it's not a consensus, there are enough people feeling it for it to be notable and significant.
When I think about my PS5, which I got a launch, I think about God of War Ragnarok, Elden Ring, Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth, Spider-Man 2, Resident Evil 8, Demon Souls, Forbidden West, Rift Apart, Alan Wake II, and countless other great games I've loved playing on the system. It's my favorite system, by far. Them still releasing inferior versions of PS4, hasn't changed that. And I'm super excited to play Veilguard, AC Shadows, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade, and other games soon to be released or in my backlog.
If you've gotten everything you've wanted this gen, then more power to you. No one's gonna take that from you. But your positive experience also does not take away from others' negative ones.
There are upset fans every gen. That doesn't change that the vast majority of Playstation fans are happy.
How are we to tell that the vast majority of PlayStation fans are happy?
Especially compared to Microsoft fans. Who are all realizing that bought a system which is about to finally get exclusives and they are all going to come out on Playstation. Which is just another feather in the PS5's cap.
Microsoft and Xbox have Game pass, and this year CoD is releasing day and date on it. That's something PlayStation does not have. If they want CoD, they'll still have to pay full price for it.
Though I'm curious. Which Sony studios aren't pulling their weight, exactly?
Well I never said the studios haven't been doing their jobs, but if you're asking me how I'm perceiving the work of those who haven't had a release this generation outside of rereleases, the first is ND. Bend wanted to do a Days gone sequel and if the leaked emails are to be believed, they were denied that opportunity. Littlebigplanet 2 to this day still remains one of my favorite video games ever, but people fear Media molecule could be the next studio to get axed.
Japan studio assisted with Demon's Souls but they aren't credited equally, and they got axed.
What a thing to say, when Microsoft has basically blown itself up. Why so much more grace for Microsoft?
I don't think Microsoft blew themself up. Maybe just their gaming division, which is why it's largely been rebranded from Xbox to just Microsoft gaming.

But to answer your question, Sony just announced their most expensive video game hardware ever. The last time they did that, it played hugely into Microsoft's favor and they were able to take the whole industry by storm.

The way I see it, that have the opportunity to do that now too.
 
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Yeah I know it's simple and I already decided that I won't buy it. But that doesn't mean I won't express my opinion on it happening in the first place.
You can express it. But what you are doing is expressing it like a fact, without real context or merit to the argument.
I don't find it bizarre at all. Even if it's not a consensus, there are enough people feeling it for it to be notable and significant.
This is a terrible argument. If enough people think Donald Trump isn't racist, does that suddenly make it true? If enough people feel we are controlled by lizards from space, is that notable and significant, outside of those people being gross human beings?

If you've gotten everything you've wanted this gen, then more power to you. No one's gonna take that from you. But your positive experience also does not take away from others' negative ones.
But what you do is extrapolate a couple of comments you say on the internet to back up your own personal feelings. Even if you saw 100k people express what you are saying, it's a drop in a bucket. And there is no way you've done that unless you went looking for it. Which would then beg the question why did you go lookin for it?
How are we to tell that the vast majority of PlayStation fans are happy?
How are you to tell they aren't?
Microsoft and Xbox have Game pass, and this year CoD is releasing day and date on it. That's something PlayStation does not have. If they want CoD, they'll still have to pay full price for it.

Well I never said the studios haven't been doing their jobs, but if your asking any how I'm perceiving the work of those who haven't had a release this generation outside of rereleases, the first is ND. Bend wanted to do a Days gone sequel and if the leaks emails are to be believed they were denied that opportunity. Littlebigplanet 2 to this day still remains one of my favorite video games ever, but people fear Media molecule could be the next studio to get axed.
Japan studio assisted with Demon's Souls but they aren't credited equally, and they got axed.

I don't think Microsoft blew themself up. Maybe just their gaming division, which is why it's largely been rebranded from Xbox to just Microsoft gaming.

But to answer your question, Sony just announced their mouse expensive video game hardware ever. The last time they did that, it played hugely into Microsoft's favor and they were able to take the whole industry by storm.

The way I see it, that have the opportunity to do that now too.
You know it's cheaper after 3 months to have just bought COD right?

Naughty Dog was working on a game. They cancelled it. They have two more in development. Both of the first two Last of Us released at the end of the console cycles.

Days Gone not only sucked, it didn't sell.

You like Little Big Planet 2. Great. How well did it sell?

Japan Studio wasn't "credit equally"?

You do understand that the normal PS5 is still on sale and that Microsoft just raised the price on all their consoles right?
 
You can express it. But what you are doing is expressing it like a fact, without real context or merit to the argument.
I don't think I was doing that but if you need me to begin or end my sentences with "to me" or "in my opinion" then I'll do that for you.
This is a terrible argument. If enough people think Donald Trump isn't racist, does that suddenly make it true? If enough people feel we are controlled by lizards from space, is that notable and significant, outside of those people being gross human beings?
We're talking about two different things which I don't think are comparable in the slightest. But if we're going to cite politics to compare, the majority of the world is seemingly on Israel's side regarding the genocide. It's not the vast majority though because the minority is considerably large, on Palestine's side.

And that's what I was trying to say. Most people are fine with it, but if the minority of people is a considerably large minority, then that portion of the fan base shouldn't be dismissed.
But what you do is extrapolate a couple of comments you say on the internet to back up your own personal feelings.
No I didn't. I don't know where you are getting this from. It's not a couple of comments and even in this thread, although the majority of people have expressed interest in the remaster, the consensus is mixed.
Even if you saw 100k people express what you are saying, it's a drop in a bucket. And there is no way you've done that unless you went looking for it. Which would then beg the question why did you go lookin for it?
Unless you're just assuming that I have been just spending my time looking specifically for comments about this remaster, I don't even know what you're talking about. This is starting to feel personal.
How are you to tell they aren't?
...well I am not the one that that made a statement about what the majority of fans are feeling. And I'm not presuming the answer because I don't have any knowledge on that. Do you?
You know it's cheaper after 3 months to have just bought COD right?
Unless you come across deals or discounts, MW3 is still retailing for $70. Just checked Best buy.

Naughty Dog was working on a game. They cancelled it.
yeah and that really stung. the sole reason I was uninterested in tlou2 was the lack of multiplayer, and having their multiplayer game get canceled really added insult to injury for me.
They have two more in development. Both of the first two Last of Us released at the end of the console cycles.
the first game was also rereleased as a remaster, it still holds up well, and it's playable on Ps5. and then it was rereleased again as a remake. their other release this generation was a Uc4 compilation remaster.
Days Gone not only sucked,
You're doing exactly what you accused me of, which was presenting your opinion as a fact
it didn't sell.
How great do sales have to be for a game to not be considered a flop? By last year, it sold over 7 million copies.
You like Little Big Planet 2. Great. How well did it sell?
Correction: I LOVED LBP2 ♥️ it was never that high of a seller, though. Unfortunately I don't think it sold as well as the first game.
Japan Studio wasn't "credit equally"?
No. The box art only has Bluepoint's name on it. most of the time the media was covering the game, the attention was being given to Bluepoint. And now Japan Studio is gone.

Demon's Souls was the only game I spent the full $70 on a video game, and that was because I wanted to support the developers.
You do understand that the normal PS5 is still on sale and that Microsoft just raised the price on all their consoles right?
I don't understand that, no. As far as pricing concerns go with the Ps5, the last I heard, Ps5's price was raised again in Japan and that was talked about in the Ps5 thread.
 
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Yes, I am serious.

The clothes and the hair look more detailed. Its like they just added some filter, to soften up the graphics.
Everything in the photo on the right is more detailed. It's not a situation of "soft graphics". It's a situation of superior lighting and far better graphics.

In an odd twist... The PS4 image IS sharper. Because it has motion blur turned off. The PS5 shot doesn't, so it is softer. Graphically the new model is way better, but we're at the point where improvements don't stand out like they used to.
 
In an odd twist... The PS4 image IS sharper. Because it has motion blur turned off. The PS5 shot doesn't, so it is softer. Graphically the new model is way better, but we're at the point where improvements don't stand out like they used to.
I think the improvements don't stand out like they used to because this is a new model of an already graphically impressive game from last generation. If we were examining the rerelease of a game with another generation in between or just a larger gap in time of releases, then I think the improvements would stand out.
 
I think the improvements don't stand out like they used to because this is a new model of an already graphically impressive game from last generation. If we were examining the rerelease of a game with another generation in between or just a larger gap in time of releases, then I think the improvements would stand out.

A factor for sure, but I think a larger issue is that improvements now aren't achieved in more details as they are about more subtlety. It used to be obvious when heads were getting less boxy. We're beyond looking at all the pixels and into an era of seeing no seams at all. Looking at the Aloy characters side by side, you can more clearly see the contours of her face in the PS4 version, but that is not more realistic. The PS5 face is much softer and less defined, but that is much more life-like, much more like real skin absorbing/reflecting light. It's a much more complex rendition in ways that aren't meant to stand out.
 
A factor for sure, but I think a larger issue is that improvements now aren't achieved in more details as they are about more subtlety. It used to be obvious when heads were getting less boxy. We're beyond looking at all the pixels and into an era of seeing no seams at all. Looking at the Aloy characters side by side, you can more clearly see the contours of her face in the PS4 version, but that is not more realistic. The PS5 face is much softer and less defined, but that is much more life-like, much more like real skin absorbing/reflecting light. It's a much more complex rendition in ways that aren't meant to stand out.
yeah that is also true going from 3D to HD and now 4K graphics, the jumps are harder to distinguish. of course, you described it more eloquently than I did lol. and I don't think Ps4 had ray tracing, so that's something else that's getting added to the Horizon Ps5 remaster, right?
 

The other downside of remasters & remakes: the removal from stores of the original.

You can still buy on PSN the original Horizon. But for how much longer can’t be said.
 

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