How complex should a SH movie plot be?

[Mightmitenot]

Hero smash villain

Hero foils not so master a master plan

Not quite a Nero Wolfe level plot is stpped

Hero operates in a web of intrigue and deceit

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As complex as it needs to be imo. A lot of factors come into play from the characters involved, the source material the genre of film, etc.

 

[TeeKay]

Depends on what kind of SH you're trying to make.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

There is no simple answer to that. So many variables.

 

[Airwings]

As complex as possible!! It shouldn't just be straight forward. That's boring!

 

[titansupes]

As complex as it needs to be imo. A lot of factors come into play from the characters involved, the source material the genre of film, etc.

Depends on what kind of SH you're trying to make.

There is no simple answer to that. So many variables.

All that.

 

[Lencho01]

Has there ever been a complex one? They all seem pretty straight-forward to me.

 

[Consona]

As complex as possible!! It shouldn't just be straight forward. That's boring!

Yea, I subscribe to the same school of thought. And that's why I love TDK so much and why I despise the first Avengers so much.

Has there ever been a complex one? They all seem pretty straight-forward to me.

I don't know what your definition of complex is, but to me TDK or X-men: DoFP were complex or more complex in comparison to other SH films. (If you consider Nolan's Batman to be SH.)

 

[Lencho01]

I don't know what your definition of complex is, but to me TDK or X-men: DoFP were complex or more complex in comparison to other SH films. (If you consider Nolan's Batman to be SH.)

Well, I didn't find those to be complex.

 

[:eek:]

I never been a fan of complicated plots. Characters always comes first, plot second. If they can't make me care about the characters I just can't care about the plot. If they decided to turn the infamous clone saga from the Spider-Man comics into a movie (or movies) for example I'd probably stay away from it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It needs to be very complex and hard to understand, and very visual, almost no sound.

 

[spider-neil]

Imho, what separates the good superhero movies from the great superhero movies is the villain. Superhero movies that fail to give the villain enough time to flesh out the motivation (note, I said motivation not origin) don't give you enough of a reason to be truly invested in the movie as a whole. I like plenty of superhero movies with weak villains but all the superhero movies I 'love' have strong villains.

So, long story short, the plot should have enough time devoted to the villain. Show us both sides of the coin to truly draw us in to make us invested and engaged.

 

[Schlosser85]

As complex as it needs to be. There's no one answer.

The Dark Knight, Days of Future Past, and The Winter Soldier all had relatively complex plots, and they're some of the best CBMs so far.

 

[spider-neil]

As complex as it needs to be. There's no one answer.

The Dark Knight, Days of Future Past, and The Winter Soldier all had relatively complex plots, and they're some of the best CBMs so far.

Days of Future Past is an hilariously over rated movie and with regards to the plot the 3rd act is a mess.

 

[The Joker]

Days of Future Past is one of the best CBMs ever. In the top 5.

 

[spider-neil]

Days of Future Past is one of the best CBMs ever. In the top 5.

Each to their own. I think First Class is a far stronger movie both narratively and with regards to performances. FC is my second favourite CBM whilst DoFP I'm completely indifferent to.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Days of Future Past is an hilariously over rated movie and with regards to the plot the 3rd act is a mess.

Comes with the territory of time travel.

 

[Lamashtar]

Imho, what separates the good superhero movies from the great superhero movies is the villain. Superhero movies that fail to give the villain enough time to flesh out the motivation (note, I said motivation not origin) don't give you enough of a reason to be truly invested in the movie as a whole. I like plenty of superhero movies with weak villains but all the superhero movies I 'love' have strong villains.

So, long story short, the plot should have enough time devoted to the villain. Show us both sides of the coin to truly draw us in to make us invested and engaged.

Dark Knight's Joker had no fleshed out motivation. He hated. But the characterization and writing was so well done you didn't care.

 

[terry78]

It's difficult because comic book adaptations are basically the creators attempting to go through decades of history to tack on the best pieces to add to a 2.5 hour film.

 

[Slade W]

However complex the director feels it needs to be so that he believes he is telling the best story and making the best movie that he possibly can. If the director feels the best story with superheroes that he can tell involves the film being complex then he should go for it IMO.

 

[Mightmitenot]

Has there ever been a complex one? They all seem pretty straight-forward to me.

The '43 Batman Serial is the most complex plotted movie I can think of and a lot of that is due to the requirements of a serial.

 

[dude stannis]

I'd have been dissapointed going into superhero movies directed by Christopher Nolan and Shane Black to find they where simple A to B stories.

 

[Victarion]

Me too Dude.

How do you define complex, OP?

 

[John Locke]

Origins stories shouldn't be complex, that's why most villains have a hand in the hero's origin. Other than that it doesn't matter if a story is complex or not.