The Avengers How should their team dynamic/intros be handled?

[terry78]

This is going to be one of those things where you got about four characters from the most opposite ends of the spectrum ever teaming up, and it lends itself to a lot of drama, pathos,and comedy as well. Tony Stark is technically the only character that's the most "normal", so his reactions would probably mirror the audiences. The only other person on the team he could really relate well to is Banner, when he's not Hulk. Cap and Thor are the most outlandish with their respective senses of honor and justice, etc. Is there a way you want to see their interactions portrayed?

 

[Rock Sexton]

This is going to be one of those things where you got about four characters from the most opposite ends of the spectrum ever teaming up, and it lends itself to a lot of drama, pathos,and comedy as well. Tony Stark is technically the only character that's the most "normal", so his reactions would probably mirror the audiences. The only other person on the team he could really relate well to is Banner, when he's not Hulk. Cap and Thor are the most outlandish with their respective senses of honor and justice, etc. Is there a way you want to see their interactions portrayed?

I'm guessing that they might want to do really brief flashbacks in order to re-introduce the main guys. It's real easy to take for granted that "everyone" has seen all the previous films .....

 

[Aztec]

Interactions I want to see:
1) Cap and Stark fighting for leadership. Two very different personalities.
2) Stark's outgoing charismatic nature vs. Banner's meekness.
3) Stark trying to investigate Thor's technology.
4) The symbol of freedom: Cap fighting along side a God.
5) Thor vs. Hulk
6) Nick Fury trying to somehow get all four of these disparate heroes to work together.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Interactions I want to see:
1) Cap and Stark fighting for leadership. Two very different personalities.
2) Stark's outgoing charismatic nature vs. Banner's meekness.
3) Stark trying to investigate Thor's technology.
4) The symbol of freedom: Cap fighting along side a God.
5) Thor vs. Hulk
6) Nick Fury trying to somehow get all four of these disparate heroes to work together.

This.

 

[Aztec]

Thank you Asteroid-Man. Unfortunately my dreams of a properly character developed film are becoming increasingly dimmer as they add more and more characters.

I thought Feige said he wanted to go out of his way to make sure they kept the character count down. Now it seems like they are throwing everyone character and their brother in this film. Sheesh.

 

[Bren]

Interactions I want to see:
1) Cap and Stark fighting for leadership. Two very different personalities.
2) Stark's outgoing charismatic nature vs. Banner's meekness.
3) Stark trying to investigate Thor's technology.
4) The symbol of freedom: Cap fighting along side a God.
5) Thor vs. Hulk
6) Nick Fury trying to somehow get all four of these disparate heroes to work together.

Could you add Thor not initially listening to anyone's orders?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Thank you Asteroid-Man. Unfortunately my dreams of a properly character developed film are becoming increasingly dimmer as they add more and more characters.

I thought Feige said he wanted to go out of his way to make sure they kept the character count down. Now it seems like they are throwing everyone character and their brother in this film. Sheesh.

I think Feige also said the script was mainly focused on those four too.

I really hope Black Widow and War Machine have reduced roles. Also, I hope Hawkeye, Wasp, and Ant-Man are the only other members of the Avengers.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

-Cap and Ironman fighting for leadership
-Stark trying figure out Thor's powers
-Thor trying to figure out Stark's tech
-Banner ugh ugh,I dunno
-Cap,Thor,and Ironman enlightening one another with their personal experiences fighting bad guys

About intros,do you mean how their's should go with one another? Knowing who's who?

 

[terry78]

Whether Hulk is a "villain" or just the red herring villain until he becomes part of the team or whatever, I do want to see him and Thor battle it out. Even after they become teammates, they always seem to have some animosity towards each other.

 

[Aztec]

Could you add Thor not initially listening to anyone's orders?

I certainly could!

 

[Son of Coul]

Interactions I want to see:
1) Cap and Stark fighting for leadership. Two very different personalities.
2) Stark's outgoing charismatic nature vs. Banner's meekness.
3) Stark trying to investigate Thor's technology.
4) The symbol of freedom: Cap fighting along side a God.
5) Thor vs. Hulk
6) Nick Fury trying to somehow get all four of these disparate heroes to work together.

This, but all the Avengers taking down Hulk could be even better. Thor could be the one to take him down though.

Thank you Asteroid-Man. Unfortunately my dreams of a properly character developed film are becoming increasingly dimmer as they add more and more characters.

I thought Feige said he wanted to go out of his way to make sure they kept the character count down. Now it seems like they are throwing everyone character and their brother in this film. Sheesh.

I wouldn't worry. Let's make a list of the characters confirmed, or at least very likely-

-Big 3
-Hulk
-Fury
-Black Widow
-Hawkeye
-Rhodey

And that's pretty much it, right? Black Widow and Hawkeye could be reduced to SHIELD agents like BW was in IM2. I'm sure they'll be present in the Helicarrier or whatever, giving little info and advice along the way until they get their scene to shine and show what they can do, not unlike BW's fight scene in IM2. Rhodey will likely have a cameo or small role only.

And that's pretty much it.

Unless they do go the Kree/Skrull way (now some OTHER source is saying the Kree won't be a factor), you'll have Mar-Vell and Ms. Marvel as leaders of the Kree and they'll help and serve exposition.

I could see that working. BW and Hawkeye aren't really necessary but they could still work. Plus you need a lady or it's gonna reek of testosterone up in the Helicarrier. I choose to remain optimistic about it, especially after that Feige interview where he said the movie won't just be "walk into another room and 'Oh look, there's another character' because the focus is the big 3 and they don't want to cram too much in."

 

[Rock Sexton]

I choose to remain optimistic about it, especially after that Feige interview where he said the movie won't just be "walk into another room and 'Oh look, there's another character' because the focus is the big 3 and they don't want to cram too much in."

I sure hope to God they don't make that mistake. It's real easy to get carried away, especially upon the nonstop outcry of purists to include all the different characters .....

 

[Superhero 101]

Iron Man vs Hulk
Hulk Vs Thor
Cap and Tony tension
Fury on Helicarrier

 

[Chewy]

If there's one thing I think even the Whedon haters can agree on, it's that his work is always about ensembles, and the characters in said ensembles always get balanced screentime and are given breathing room to shine. I'm sure this factored into Marvel's decision when hiring him

 

[Doctor Jones]

I definitely would love to see a Thor vs. Hulk fight. Imagine Thor and Cap showing up at Banner's doorstep in his cabin in the woods. Then he transforms and busts out, Thor takes out his hammer and wham. Fury's team comes out and Stark suits up, etc to take him out. Now if they're going Hulk going the hero and not the villain way, they should capture him and put banner in a holding cell. This is where the trust issue comes in. Stark and Fury may think he should be contained until they can figure more out about how to contorl him, where Cap sees more into Banner and trusts him and wants to see him released. Tension ensues. Imagine a scene with either Evans or RDJ talking to Norton who's in a holding cell.

The theater would stink of nerds crapping their pants.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Iron Man in his Hulkbuster vs Hulk. 2 million PPV buys right there.

 

[louiebling$]

Iron Man in his Hulkbuster vs Hulk. 2 million PPV buys right there.

Damn Straight

 

[Matt Mortem]

Before I can really say how I want the dynamic and the intro's to be I would have to see how Thor and Cap come across on screen. I know how comic book Thor and Cap would act, but will movie-verse Cap and Thor be the same?

 

[crazy monkey]

I'd like to see Thor relate most to Stark, since their worlds are very much the same. Both are gods (one metaphysical and one financial) both are sons living in the shadow of their prestigious fathers, both filled with paternal angst, both spoiled rich kids who are stripped of their privileged status and thrown down from their pedastals. They really have a similar arc, only IM has Thor lapped by one, and it would be cool if Tony sees through Thor's divine bull***** and call him on it, and then kind of mentors him when the others aren't around.

Meantime, I see Cap becoming buddies with Hawkeye. Their both SHIELD agents, both skilled soldiers and both regular guys on the inside. I think Hawkeye could be his touchstone in this new world. Clint could be a little in awe of the first Super Soldier, and he'd be the one to 'babysit' Cap. I'd love to see him bunking with Rogers, explaining aspects of modern living like cell phones, chinese take-out, internet porn, reality tv, modern weaponry and the like.

Of course Steve and Tony will butt heads and ideaologies. I'd be dissappointed if that continues past the end of the second act. The third act turn should ramp up the immediacy of the threat that all the bravado and ego flexing comes to a halt. Its also at this point that Iron Man realizes he doesn't have the emotional stability or strategic mind to take the lead, and without fanfare turns to Cap and asks for orders. RDJ can convey Tony's mind in a contemplative stare, a dart of the eyes, and that's all this would require. To see him make up his mind, unflinching and without remorse as Stark always does, and then turn to Rogers and be real with him for the first time in the film would be fantastic.

And Cap should be completely overwhelmed by Widow's empoweredness and overt sexuality. There was nothing from his timeperiod to prepare him for that! I think some great comedic moments could be found in their interactions. Don't have to dwell on it, but it could be used occasionally to punch up a scene.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I can easily see Whedon handling scenarios and dynamics in a way that won't disappoint fans.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Whether Hulk is a "villain" or just the red herring villain until he becomes part of the team or whatever, I do want to see him and Thor battle it out. Even after they become teammates, they always seem to have some animosity towards each other.

Maybe if Hulk's a good guy, Thor will hear him say "Hulk is the srongest there is!" & call him out on it. "Thou, art the strongest there is? Surely you jest!" *Whips out hammer*

 

[Son of Coul]

I'd like to see Thor relate most to Stark, since their worlds are very much the same. Both are gods (one metaphysical and one financial) both are sons living in the shadow of their prestigious fathers, both filled with paternal angst, both spoiled rich kids who are stripped of their privileged status and thrown down from their pedastals. They really have a similar arc, only IM has Thor lapped by one, and it would be cool if Tony sees through Thor's divine bull***** and call him on it, and then kind of mentors him when the others aren't around.

Meantime, I see Cap becoming buddies with Hawkeye. Their both SHIELD agents, both skilled soldiers and both regular guys on the inside. I think Hawkeye could be his touchstone in this new world. Clint could be a little in awe of the first Super Soldier, and he'd be the one to 'babysit' Cap. I'd love to see him bunking with Rogers, explaining aspects of modern living like cell phones, chinese take-out, internet porn, reality tv, modern weaponry and the like.

Of course Steve and Tony will butt heads and ideaologies. I'd be dissappointed if that continues past the end of the second act. The third act turn should ramp up the immediacy of the threat that all the bravado and ego flexing comes to a halt. Its also at this point that Iron Man realizes he doesn't have the emotional stability or strategic mind to take the lead, and without fanfare turns to Cap and asks for orders. RDJ can convey Tony's mind in a contemplative stare, a dart of the eyes, and that's all this would require. To see him make up his mind, unflinching and without remorse as Stark always does, and then turn to Rogers and be real with him for the first time in the film would be fantastic.

And Cap should be completely overwhelmed by Widow's empoweredness and overt sexuality. There was nothing from his timeperiod to prepare him for that! I think some great comedic moments could be found in their interactions. Don't have to dwell on it, but it could be used occasionally to punch up a scene.

Some great ideas, particularly Hawkeye showing Cap around the present. Doesn't have to be a huge role or take up a huge chunk of the movie, perfectly suitable for the character.

 

[terry78]

I can easily see Whedon handling scenarios and dynamics in a way that won't disappoint fans.

I agree that's why they chose him, and still don't get why some decry the choice. Whedon knows how to put jerks, former villains, goody two shoes, snarky types, geeks, etc. all on the same team, and have them garner respect for each other at some point, even if they don't fully trust each other.

 

[Tony Stark]

If there's one thing I think even the Whedon haters can agree on, it's that his work is always about ensembles, and the characters in said ensembles always get balanced screentime and are given breathing room to shine. I'm sure this factored into Marvel's decision when hiring him

Yeah I was going to say, the dynamics of Firefly pretty much mimic what will go on with the Avengers. It's not a one to one comparison, but you look at Jayne and Mal and the dynamics they have between them. They both hate and respect each other. You could see the exact same dynamic with Steve and Tony.

I've mostly compared the relationships of the Avengers to Star Trek. Steve is the Captain Kirk type. He's a leader, a rebel and a warrior. Thor is a bit like Spoc as far as being an outcast, although Tony would be like Spoc intelligence wise, but Tony is also like Bones the emotional passionate one who isn't very logical.

In any case, the heart of Avengers has to be on these three guys. Everyone else is window dressing, including Fury. Fury would be like Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike in Star Trek. He's got a prominate role, but he's not a central character. That may tick off some Nick Fury fans, but it's the reality in this franchise.

 

[Son of Coul]

I agree, in the long run, everything should trace back to the big 3 stopping a major problem. I think that's where a sequel will shine, since they will have already earned each other's respect by then. Like I've said before, I'd love to see the Avengers peel off of SHIELD and do some **** on their own at some point, instead of essentially being employees forced together by a bigger organization.