How the vulture would have played into the story

[Kmack]

I'd take Raimi's Vulture story over his forced Venom story any day.

Hear hear! They should have definitely gone with the Vulture storyline.

 

[GoldGoblin]

You would think the studio would of saved Venom as there ace card for when Raimi leaved the franchise.

 

[Toxin72]

After both the venom and vulture scripts were completed the studio as a whole agreed that the venom story was better for what they were wanting to do in spidey 3. Actually it was stated in the book that the reason the vulture story really got dropped was because they couldnt find a way to really tie the vulture to peter parker without making a movie with just the vulture and thats not what they were aiming to do. So in the end while sam and crew thought both scripts were great everyone agreed the venom script was the best way to go.

 

[Blader5489]

Actually it was stated in the book that the reason the vulture story really got dropped was because they couldnt find a way to really tie the vulture to peter parker without making a movie with just the vulture and thats not what they were aiming to do.

That makes sense. The Vulture plot seemed like kind of a stretch; it's hard to believe Adrian Toomes would bear that much hatred towards Spiderman (whereas it makes sense for Brock to be so hateful considering how Peter ruined his life). It's also good to know that Raimi wasn't really "forced" into using Venom, and that he preferred it to his original script.

And honestly, I don't know why people are wishing Raimi had used the Vulture in the first place if he and Venom end up achieving the same purpose in the movie.

 

[Spiderine]

I'm torn because Vulture is such a lame villain but Brock/Venom was so under utilized by Raimi. I think the theme of revenge works better with Venom but I was so disappointed by the lack of screentime with Brock. Ultimately, I would have just liked it if Raimi was allowed to use whichever characters he felt was best to tell his story, instead of receiving interference by the producers.

Agreed.....Sam telling the story he ultimately wanted to tell would have made a;l the difference in the world. And at this point given that we got Venom, there is nothing to compare whether which villain would have been better suited action wise. Venom certainly got to whupp up on Spidey and the time he got was entertaining to say the least, but whether or not the type of Vulture they would have used and how he would have been portrayed is still a mystery. So I can't say one way or the other.

 

[Spiderine]

That makes sense. The Vulture plot seemed like kind of a stretch; it's hard to believe Adrian Toomes would bear that much hatred towards Spiderman (whereas it makes sense for Brock to be so hateful considering how Peter ruined his life). It's also good to know that Raimi wasn't really "forced" into using Venom, and that he preferred it to his original script.

And honestly, I don't know why people are wishing Raimi had used the Vulture in the first place if he and Venom end up achieving the same purpose in the movie.

Why would it not make sense? Spiderman could have easily ruined Toomes's life as well building hatred in prison among other things. Revenge is revenge it works either way.

 

[Toxin72]

I remember reading that one of the vultures wings was a technological wing that he made and the other would be one composed of random junk he found in jail. When they were working on vulture they said they would need new technology to use the vulture right much like they did with sandman.

 

[Spiderine]

You would think the studio would of saved Venom as there ace card for when Raimi leaved the franchise.

Avi Arad was not willing to wait and be patient. They could have made lots of money on this movie and still had a diamond in Venom waiting down the line. With Lizard and Venom on the horizon there would be no doubt where they go from here. But.........oh well

 

[Abaddon]

Venom fit in with the theme of revenge and forgiveness, but there was not enough time to do the character justice. The Vulture story here sounds a little weak, especially since we don't even see how Spider-Man pissed him off.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

You would think the studio would of saved Venom as there ace card for when Raimi leaved the franchise.

Seems like the logical thing to do.

After both the venom and vulture scripts were completed the studio as a whole agreed that the venom story was better for what they were wanting to do in spidey 3. Actually it was stated in the book that the reason the vulture story really got dropped was because they couldnt find a way to really tie the vulture to peter parker without making a movie with just the vulture and thats not what they were aiming to do. So in the end while sam and crew thought both scripts were great everyone agreed the venom script was the best way to go.

Yea, I forgot, everyone and their grandma must be connected to Peter Parker in some way in Raimi's Spider-Man films.

Avi Arad was not willing to wait and be patient. They could have made lots of money on this movie and still had a diamond in Venom waiting down the line. With Lizard and Venom on the horizon there would be no doubt where they go from here. But.........oh well

Absolutely.

 

[Blader5489]

Yea, I forgot, everyone and their grandma must be connected to Peter Parker in some way in Raimi's Spider-Man films.

Sarcasm aside, that IS what makes the villains interesting and what sets them apart from other comic book movie baddies.

 

[Victarion]

Green Goblin 2, Symbiote, Venom at the end would've been aces.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Green Goblin 2, Symbiote, Venom at the end would've been aces.

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It would of been better.We could of had more of the Peter vs Harry through out the movie.We could of gotten like four battles with Harry and Peter instead of two.

We could of gotten to see black spidey alot longer.

 

[Toxin72]

It is interesting to note that in some fashion the weather was going to come into play. Theres a sketch of black spidey hanging and looking at his reflection while it was snowing. Also originally the two sandman fights were going to happen in the same sequence. You guys should really go out and pick up the art of spider-man 3 as it really give alot of insight on the process of making it.

 

[Majik1387]

My question is why would the character of Vulture hate Spiderman so much in Sp3?

 

[Spiderine]

My question is why would the character of Vulture hate Spiderman so much in Sp3?

Why? Who knows. but perhaps they would have written a good enough reason within the story as to the bitterness toward Spiderman. I still think Sandman would have been the main villain and Vulture would have met an ugly demise at the end because of his relentless revenge.

 

[Toxin72]

Why? Who knows. but perhaps they would have written a good enough reason within the story as to the bitterness toward Spiderman. I still think Sandman would have been the main villain and Vulture would have met an ugly demise at the end because of his relentless revenge.

Yes exactly. The plan was always for that second big villain to die in the last battle. They just picked the vulture first. Sandman was always going to be the main villain with harry still becoming the goblin. It was later when they chose to use venom because they thought the venom script was better and venom brought more interesting ideas to the plate that the vulture didnt.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I hate The Vulture as much as I hate Mysterio.

At least Mysterio could be visually interesting. The Vulture is just an old guy with wings. Mysterio can create ANYTHING.

Anyways, glad they went with Venom. He illustrated Raimi's point much better than the Vulture could have. Venom's character's whole reason for living in the comics is revenge. The Vulture is a goofy robber. Yeah, there have been interesting stories with him, but a character like Venom was better suited for this, especially since with Venom you could just introduce him really late and be fine.

 

[chaseter]

Vulture is lame...I prefer forced Venom over lame, old Vulture. Same reason I hope Rhino and some of the other lame-o's are never in the movie.

 

[DACrowe]

Well Ben Kingsley would never be lame and Vulture could look dynamic on screen just as much as Venom, if done properly. Sure in the comics he sucks, but s till.

Also I think being put in prison and losing your fortune and freedom is a much better reason to hate Spider-Man than him catching you for being a fraud.

But Eddie was always unhinged, anyway.

 

[GoldGoblin]

The thing is if Vulture was in the movie he could of gotten more screentime than Venom would of had,Vulture could of had two fight scenes.One where he fights spidey all by himself and then later decides to teamup with Sandman to make killing spidey easier.

With Venom he couldn't of had two different fight scenes because spidey has to wear the black suit for most of the movie.

That Gwen Stacy crane scene could of been a spidey vs Vulture fight scene where in the end of the fight Vulture slams the crane into the building so then spidey would have to deal with that while the Vulture takes off because he figures out that he can't take out spidey.

Vulture could of been better for the movie,because he could of had two fight scenes instead of one,we would see that spidey has been taking on big time villains since the last time we have seen him,and the character would of had more character development.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I really don't think the Vulture would have worked out. Venom was a great choice to be in this film IMO. and there are other Classic Villians that are better than the Vulture that haven't been used yet. The Symbiote storyline was a great storyline in the Comics so using it on Film is great. Not to mention the revenge factor is there due to the fact that Flint Marko accidentally killed Uncle Ben which I don't think would have been same without the Symbiote storyline because afterall, the Symbiote does make Peter real angry and it makes him want more and more revenge on Sandman. Now if the Vulture was in the film, the Film would have still been amazing but The Vulture is not the greatest Spidey Villian. Anyway, Eddie Brock in this film had a great stretched out Storyline that was defenitley satisfying and when Brock got the Symbiote, Venom was born and me and everybody else was happy. So IMO, the Symbiote storyline works out better than the Vultures would have.

 

[Immortalfire]

Vulture would have rocked, but Venom was so great!

Am I the only one that thinks they should have never went with the Sandman?

I had high hopes for Sandman, like "Cool, he's one of the more difficult foes. A guy made of sand. Kickin!" Until I saw the movie and found he was more so Sadman.

A great villain, done not-so-great.

 

[shigsy2003]

Yeah, I'm glad they went with Venom instead...

Same here. Venom is a far better and has a dominent screen presence compaired to some old guy with wings.

Venom worked perfectly for me.

Also I think the nail was driven in deeper as Peter was faced with something he nearly turned into and so the visual representation of power corrupting and an inability to forgive was far more poigniant...far more than a winged clad old guy anyway.

 

[shigsy2003]

I had high hopes for Sandman, like "Cool, he's one of the more difficult foes. A guy made of sand. Kickin!" Until I saw the movie and found he was more so Sadman.

A great villain, done not-so-great.

LOL, it's funny I was one of those who never liked the Sandman from the comics but the movie version I loved.