Batman Begins How was Batman allowing Ra's to die justified?

[Malone]

In Batman Begins, one of the things that they tried to emphasize was that Batman was "no executioner". However, at the end of the movie, he left Ra's Al Ghul to die on the train. Would Batman ever leave anybody to die? How was that justified?

 

[TheJuice]

Ra's sealed his own fate by preventing the train from even stopping. It was more Ra's suicide than Batman's homicide.

 

[Malone]

Still, shouldn't Batman have saved him?

 

[heypapajinx]

no. because unlike Superman, Batman's capable of being a jerk.
plus, Batman realized the error in his way of thinking having allowed himself to be trained by a man who had such poor judgement in facial hair grooming.

 

[Two-Face]

If you watched the first half in the movie, Bruce saves Ra’s before going back to Gotham so now that R'as is alive he wanted destroy Wayne and the city so Batman was protecting Gotham from Ra's striking again. Ra's might have survived somehow.

 

[El Payaso]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238018

^ So many pages talking about this.

I suspect we'll follow the same way here.

Summing up I kinda agree wioth Malone.

 

[Mee]

I don't really have a problem with it. Batman's gone to the brink of almost killing villains (or actually killing them) in the comics, Joker, Alexander Luthor, didn't he kill Ras' in Superman/Batman?

 

[Cinemaman]

I loved that scene, and I think real Batman would also do that.

He didn't kill him, but he also didn't save him.

 

[XCharlieX]

Exactly, batman was over there trying to stop the train and then ras stabbed the control panel. That was his fault.

 

[Batty Belfry]

I had no problem with it. I thought the scene was great. Ra's gets that " oh crap I've been owned" look on his face as Batman makes one of the coolest exits ever.

 

[XCharlieX]

How could he save him anyway? There was one way out and that was his glider, made for him alone.

 

[El Payaso]

Ok, let's discuss this all over again.

Batman's trained to fight 600 people, don't come saying he can't save 1 single guy.

If the person on the train was Rachel, I'm sure he would have saved her.

 

[El Payaso]

I don't really have a problem with it. Batman's gone to the brink of almost killing villains (or actually killing them) in the comics, Joker, Alexander Luthor, didn't he kill Ras' in Superman/Batman?

The problem would be that the movie made big efforts to state how Batman doesn't want to take human lives. And at the end he finds a way to do it without actually pulling the trigger.

 

[XCharlieX]

Poor Ras Al Ghul




lol

 

[Mee]

The problem would be that the movie made big efforts to state how Batman doesn't want to take human lives. And at the end he finds a way to do it without actually pulling the trigger.

Yeah, I think it would've worked better if the train hadn't crashed so quickly after Bats flew out. Because he says "I don't have to save you" but it didn't seem like Ras' really had a chance to save himself.

 

[XCharlieX]

And at the end he finds a way to do it without actually pulling the trigger.

He didnt find a way, Ras threw a way at him lol

IMO if people refuse to be saved when batman tries (stopping the train), in such a dangerous circumstance, forgetting them is correct.

 

[El Payaso]

He didnt find a way, Ras threw a way at him lol

Ra's did a lot, yes. but watching the scene again you can see how Batman is over him, then he says 'I won't kill you', makes a pause, breaks the window and then finally he finish, 'But I don't ahve to save you.' He had the time to save him.

IMO if people refuse to be saved when batman tries (stopping the train), in such a dangerous circumstance, forgetting them is correct.

IMO that's correct too.

But neither of us are Batman.

 

[XCharlieX]

But neither of us are Batman.

That much is clear

 

[The Kid]

It's a script problem I think. what would ra's do if Batman brought him to justice? It's the same reason Jim Carrey had his brain fried in Batman forever, and told chase that he was batman. I don't believe this is what batman would ever do. if he had the means to save someone, he would. period. no matter who they are. But what's the problem is that ra's knows something that'd be too troublesome for goyer and nolan to deal with so they just do what's easiest. My 3567 cents.

 

[Bathead]

In my mind, there are two reasons :
A. Batman knew if anyone could save himself from such a situation, it would be Ra's.
B. How do we know for sure that Ra's IS dead? (hehe)

 

[XCharlieX]

Thats true too, i can see a little bit of "i tried to save you before, now your the wise master, get yourself out."

 

[Batty Belfry]

I can see the t-shirt now...

"I tried to save Ra's Al Ghul and all I got was my lousy house burned down."

 

[XCharlieX]

Lmao exactly.

 

[El Payaso]

In my mind, there are two reasons :
A. Batman knew if anyone could save himself from such a situation, it would be Ra's.

Reakly? Batman knew that? So when he left Ra's at the train he knew Ra's would survive and would probably make another plan to destroy Gotham? Because if he knew he would have been worried about it. But he didn't seem like it.

B. How do we know for sure that Ra's IS dead? (hehe)

Because he was inside a train which crashed and exploded?

And even if he's alive... Batman knew for sure he'll survive? Then why didn't he say 'I won't kill you, but I know you'll survive.'

 

[Deadwood]

Exactly

The comics would've ended 30 years ago if it was established that "you only get one chance with the Batman"

The only poorly written scene in the entire film, imo. Which is funny cause the way it's written is pretty awesome, it's just not Batman.