How would Jean in X3 react to...

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Hey everyone, I'm tossing some ideas around for a fanfic and would like your input and opinions about a couple of things.

As I understand it from what was portrayed in the films (and covered a bit more in the novel), One of the reasons why it was difficult for Jean to want to come back was because she felt that due to her actions she had reached a point of no return, a point from which salvation would no longer be possible or that she wouldn't be able to live with herself, and that people would never forgive her for what she did. Specifically she was convinced she killed Scott, she killed Charles X, she killed or injured alot of the brotherhood mutants and soldiers, and during her resurrection she experienced things that were beyond human imagination.

We know that Jean's bond with Scott was strong. The very mention of his name was enough to snap her out of her alter-ego and think clearly for a few moments as Jean, or at least really agitate her. Now let's suppose that Scott did survive his encounter with Jean at Alkali Lake through one of the many possibly scenes that were proposed and debated on these and other forums and even though he was out of the action for most of the movie, he would be able to join in on the party at Alcatraz.

How would Jean have reacted to seeing Scott there with the other X-Men? Would that have left any impression on her? Enough to do a double-take or snap her out of it? I mean she was resigned to the fact that because of his death she couldn't go back, but what if that was no longer the case?

Or even better, what if during the battle Scott took a hit from one of the brotherhood and went down? Would seeing that leave any impression on her? Enough to snap her out of it and maybe go to him or help him?

Another thing I was wondering about was that there was very little attempt by the other characters to try to at least reach out to her. In a school as small and intimate as the Xavier institute it's reasonable that the whole school body and staff would be like a family and interact alot. Not just for field trips and class but you could see them having lunch or ice cream together, watch movies together, etc. She'd know those people pretty good like Bobby Piotr and Kitty and even the novel covers some of the work they did together to help the younger members develop their powers.
What if instead of evacuating those people decided to instead stay and stick around (they're a team after all), and try to do SOMETHING, even shouting words of encouragement together ("We love you Jean, please don't do this! Come back home, we miss you!"). Would that have any influence on her and help bring her back?
I find interesting that even in the novel she was able to tell the good from the bad, and was even cheering on the X-Men and wished that Magneto would lose for all his arrogance and lies.

Thoughts? Opinions? i'd love to hear them!
 
Cyclops in the final battle, I think it definitely would've done something to her. Made her realise she can fight the Phoenix force. And yes, him taking a hit, not a fatal one hopefully, might snap her out if it because she's concerned for him.
 
I agree. Cyke should have been at that final battle.
 
I think if she saw Cyclops it definately would've affected her. Throughout most of the movie she is distraught that she killed him. Seeing him alive I'm sure would bring some glee, but then she would probably feel even more guilty about killing Professor X, because as she did this she was angry at him for hurling abuse at her for killing Scott.
Plus, seeing Scott there, I'm sure she would then feel horrific guilt and shame over her last actions, especially just killing the bunch of people who tried to cure her, the other random bunch of humans and mutants who tried to escape and tearing alcatraz apart

In a way, she would be happy, but in another way, it would make things a lot worse for her.
 
Mothling said:
I think if she saw Cyclops it definately would've affected her. Throughout most of the movie she is distraught that she killed him. Seeing him alive I'm sure would bring some glee, but then she would probably feel even more guilty about killing Professor X, because as she did this she was angry at him for hurling abuse at her for killing Scott.
Plus, seeing Scott there, I'm sure she would then feel horrific guilt and shame over her last actions, especially just killing the bunch of people who tried to cure her, the other random bunch of humans and mutants who tried to escape and tearing alcatraz apart

Interesting. We're on to something here. This is the kind of stuff that I'd like a 2nd look at becasue I feelthe writers failed to appreciate it.
We haven't gotten to the part yet where she gets blasted by 20 soldiers from behind so I'll leave that out for now. There also have been no news reports or mention of her ever causing a wave of destruction while going across the country with Magneto so let's keep the updated death count to only Charles.
So seeing Scott this makes her do a double-take and shakes her up a bit. Good point that she'd be even more pissed off at Charles X for hurling abuse about causing Scott's death. Now Let's shake her up some more: She sees Scott take a hit and he goes go down. What happens then?
 
ntcrawler said:
Now Let's shake her up some more: She sees Scott take a hit and he goes go down. What happens then?

I can see her killing/destroying whoever/whetever harmed Scott, maybe even completely unintentionally as she wasn't in total control of her power or the Phoenix persona.
 
Jean: SCOTT!!! F***! Damn it!


:p

Scott: JEAAAAAAAAAAAAN!! HELP ME! gah.
 
Mothling said:
I can see her killing/destroying whoever/whetever harmed Scott, maybe even completely unintentionally as she wasn't in total control of her power or the Phoenix persona.

I can just see everyone stop and look at her in wonder. An angry furious face with those deathlike black eyes but with a single tear running down her cheek.

If it got to that point, it might make some feel confident that they're almost there.
I'm disappointed that the other members of the team didn't make any attempt to try to reach out and appeal to her. Some of them like Beast she'd have been friends with for years and years. Even the youngers ones were her students (book even goes into some details about how she taught Bobby in science ideas on how to better apply his powers). It's a small school, family atmoshere. Surely there should be some interaction. Eating lunch, watching movies together or the females gossiping over ice cream.

We've seen how how emotional Kitty is, but she also proves herself to be pretty feisty and brave. I could see her trying to do something that none of the adults would think of doing.
 
phase through Jean!?! oh wait wait...in the comics, Scott gets kitty to phase her hand through him to grab his heart and pull it out in case he doesn't get through Jean/Phoenix... am I right?
 
Yeah you are right thats in Endsong.
 
Bastila said:
Yeah you are right thats in Endsong.


That probably wouldn't work here. "Jean, you come back to us and be good again or I'll have Kitty kill me and break your heart twice!"

Um, I don't think so, haha
 
britrogue said:
I agree. Cyke should have been at that final battle.
Yes. And he should have died there.
 
DarknessOfDeath said:
phase through Jean!?!

Well not quite, haha! I notice that the younger generation tends to take a fresh look at things, see things that their older counterparts would never notice, not be afraid to try a different approach, and be more optimistic about the outcome. It happens alot in life. Kitty seems like the kind of person who wouldn't give up hope even when all others do.
 
I was also quite upset by the seeming lack of caring from her "family". Wolverine was the only one who bothered to try and help her, and that was only because he wanted to get in her pants.
 
Mothling said:
I was also quite upset by the seeming lack of caring from her "family". Wolverine was the only one who bothered to try and help her, and that was only because he wanted to get in her pants.

That's so bad taste, isn't it? Logan and Ororo bring her back from the lake, Charles X explains the changes and potential danger, then later Logan's there by her side, she wakes up and the first thought on his mind is getting into her pants.

"Logan, you're making me blush"

That's messed up
 
Mothling said:
I was also quite upset by the seeming lack of caring from her "family". Wolverine was the only one who bothered to try and help her, and that was only because he wanted to get in her pants.
NOT TRUE! Logan loved her...that's a lot more than trying to get in her pants!
 
Decay said:
NOT TRUE! Logan loved her...that's a lot more than trying to get in her pants!

Too convenient and it bad taste me thinks. Scott is supposedly dead and suddenly Logan's making moves on Jean without a second thought.
 
Decay said:
NOT TRUE! Logan loved her...that's a lot more than trying to get in her pants!

Too convenient and it bad taste me thinks. In X2, Logan tells Scott about the choice that Jean made, that it was Scott after all who she gave her heart to. He accepted her decision and bowed out gracefully. He even goes on at the beginning of X3 that Jean is dead and they both need to move on. He let go and was frustrated that Scott did not. Now Scott is supposedly dead and suddenly Logan's making moves on Jean without a second thought. Anyone else have a problem with this besides me?
 
Mothling said:
I was also quite upset by the seeming lack of caring from her "family".

Yeah that's what I think also needs to be addressed as well. I know it's supposed to be a Wolverine film but I'd like to get the rest of the family involved.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOO! It was just hard for him to give up the one he loves so much. Think about it, Logan loved her and so he respected her. He didn't take advantage of her on that table.
 
Decay said:
NOOOOOOOOOOO! It was just hard for him to give up the one he loves so much. Think about it, Logan loved her and so he respected her. He didn't take advantage of her on that table.

His thoughts betrayed him. She knew it and took advantage of him. He certainly didn't mind. Then towards the end of the film he sounds like he's one and only righteous one when it comes to dealing weth Jean. As if Ororo's or Beast's relations or even of the younger members did not matter at all. it sounded like "all of you stay out of the way. *I'll* save her". Right after making a big deal about how the X-Men are a team and proving how teamwork was so effective against Magneto.
 
He told the others to get out of his way because he was the only one who could face Phoenix, and that thanks to his healing abilities. The others would have been dead if they had faced her.
 
Decay said:
He told the others to get out of his way because he was the only one who could face Phoenix, and that thanks to his healing abilities. The others would have been dead if they had faced her.

To be honest? We don't know that. Jean / Phoenix did not kill anyone innocent. She only destroyed those who were either a direct threat against her or who already committed acts of destruction or murder. She took no action against any of the other X-Men at any point except for Logan who she was toying with because she knew he could regenerate.

I doubt she would have harmed an innocent person such as Kitty or Bobby and the rest if they tried to do something that would not be seen as a direct threat. Especially since she could read their minds and would immediately know that they meant her no harm or had bad intentions. Any opinions on this?
 
ntcrawler said:
To be honest? We don't know that. Jean / Phoenix did not kill anyone innocent. She only destroyed those who were either a direct threat against her or who already committed acts of destruction or murder. She took no action against any of the other X-Men at any point except for Logan who she was toying with because she knew he could regenerate.

I doubt she would have harmed an innocent person such as Kitty or Bobby and the rest if they tried to do something that would not be seen as a direct threat. Especially since she could read their minds and would immediately know that they meant her no harm or had bad intentions. Any opinions on this?
Now you puzzle me. Why did she kill Scott then? The only bad thing he did was to love her.
 
ntcrawler said:
To be honest? We don't know that. Jean / Phoenix did not kill anyone innocent. She only destroyed those who were either a direct threat against her or who already committed acts of destruction or murder. She took no action against any of the other X-Men at any point except for Logan who she was toying with because she knew he could regenerate.

So then what was Scott's excuse for abscence? (I refuse to say death)
 

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