The showdown that "Should have been"

[javon]

Jean and Storm. We saw how the society around triggered Storms emotions whcih cuased her to warp a thunderstorm. Now Jean killed Scott, the man she loved and Ororo's good friend. And she also killed Xavier, the only person as close to her as a father. Storm would have been truly upset and angry and that is why I think they SHOULD or WOULD have fought. It would have been the perfect chance as well.

 

[ntcrawler]

Jean and Storm. We saw how the society around triggered Storms emotions whcih cuased her to warp a thunderstorm. Now Jean killed Scott, the man she loved and Ororo's good friend. And she also killed Xavier, the only person as close to her as a father. Storm would have been truly upset and angry and that is why I think they SHOULD or WOULD have fought. It would have been the perfect chance as well.

And that's exactly what you're gonna see. A showdown between two goddesses.

 

[La_She-Beast]

But wouldn't she 'demolecurize' her in the instant? (Sorry, but I think that's why they chose Wolverine for the showdown)

What I reeeeeeealy would've like is a Beast vs Juggernaut fight. Or Beast vs Wolverine one

 

[tonytr1687]

But wouldn't she 'demolecurize' her in the instant? (Sorry, but I think that's why they chose Wolverine for the showdown)

What I reeeeeeealy would've like is a Beast vs Juggernaut fight. Or Beast vs Wolverine one

Thats why they should have never given her that ridiculous vaporizing power anyway.

 

[chaseter]

Another gripe thread.

 

[La_She-Beast]

Thats why they should have never given her that ridiculous vaporizing power anyway.

Oh yeah that for sure. Imo they didn't meditate at all Phoenix' powers.

 

[chaseter]

And Storm would have never stood a chance...that is why they didn't show it. If Jean can destroy an island, 100s of men, a few muties, cars, concrete, buildings, etc...I don't think Storm could have done much of anything.

 

[X-Maniac]

It was a missed opportunity, for sure... and something a lot of people wanted to see.

But Javon, why are you bringing this up again now? Be careful that you aren't dragging yourself down into hate and frustration - we did see some great Storm moments over the three movies, try to remember those as well! It hasn't been all bad.

 

[ntcrawler]

And Storm would have never stood a chance...that is why they didn't show it. If Jean can destroy an island, 100s of men, a few muties, cars, concrete, buildings, etc...I don't think Storm could have done much of anything.

Then you're watering down Storm just like the rest of the characters were and not giving due credit to the full majesty of her powers and abilities, which when compared against Jean are quite deadly and destructive too, not to mention her natural defenses.

 

[ntcrawler]

But wouldn't she 'demolecurize' her in the instant? (Sorry, but I think that's why they chose Wolverine for the showdown)

That's what they'd want you to believe. That Jean is an all-powerful, omnipotent goddess who can blow up the planet with a single thought. Obviously that's not easy to deal with. But that's really blowing things out of proportion. Think about it for a sec. Jean can be very powerful with hir ability to disintegrate things, but it's not an ability she performs trivially. IE with a snap of her fingers. It's something she really has to focus and concentrate on to do and must be in a state of rage. She would not be able to do it if her full attetion had to be on concentrating on defending herself from a constant, devestating onslaught of destruction.

What I reeeeeeealy would've like is a Beast vs Juggernaut fight. Or Beast vs Wolverine one

They can always spar together in the danger room. have Beast show Wolvie some of his secret, fancy moves

 

[chaseter]

Then you're watering down Storm just like the rest of the characters were and not giving due credit to the full majesty of her powers and abilities, which when compared against Jean are quite deadly and destructive too, not to mention her natural defenses.

Movieverse Jean could already kick her @ss and while we are on the subject of watering down...lets revert back to comic Jean that was inhabited by the Shi'ar and could destroy planets and her will...Storm still looses...no matter what she can conjur up. Even look at what Calisto said...Jean was the most powerful thing she has ever sensed.

 

[ntcrawler]

Movieverse Jean could already kick her @ss

That's because Storm wasn't giving into rage of her own or actively doing anything against Jean. We all know that when pissed off, Storm is quite capable of opening up a family-sized can of whoop @ss. We don't know what Storm was truly capable of and it's therefore open to interpretation. By all accounts, Jean should have completely, utterly destroyed every molecule in and around Logan. It's not the adamantium that saved him. It was b@d writing and wishful thinking.

and while we are on the subject of watering down...lets revert back to comic Jean that was inhabited by the Shi'ar and could destroy planets and her will...Storm still looses...

That's comics. As many people like to point out, the movieverse isn't the comics. Therefore the same doesn't apply. There is no shi'ar here and this Jean doesn't devour planets or stars as a midnight snack. Since others are not limiting themselves by what the comics do, neither will we.

no matter what she can conjur up. Even look at what Calisto said...Jean was the most powerful thing she has ever sensed.

She obviously hasn't been around long. And in addition, being the most powerful thing out there does not guarranty that you're invincible. It not only takes powers, but knowing how to use them. Skill and cunning outweight sheer power every time.

And that's the interpretation we're following and it is along these lines that we are going to portray a clash between Storm and Jean. The outcome? Wait and see. I guarranty no one will be expecting it.

 

[chaseter]

That's because Storm wasn't giving into rage of her own or actively doing anything against Jean. We all know that when pissed off, Storm is quite capable of opening up a family-sized can of whoop @ss. We don't know what Storm was truly capable of and it's therefore open to interpretation. By all accounts, Jean should have completely, utterly destroyed every molecule in and around Logan. It's not the adamantium that saved him. It was b@d writing and wishful thinking.



That's comics. As many people like to point out, the movieverse isn't the comics. Therefore the same doesn't apply. There is no shi'ar here and this Jean doesn't devour planets or stars as a midnight snack. Since others are not limiting themselves by what the comics do, neither will we.

And that's the interpretation we're following and it is along these lines that we are going to portray a clash between Storm and Jean. The outcome? Wait and see. I guarranty no one will be expecting it.

Those two sentences contradict each other. We don't know the full extent of Storm's powers in the movies and can only interpret that from the comics...and then you go to say that this is the movies and not the comics...so Jean still can kill Storm by what we have to work with. Since we are on the subject of interpretation...we also do not know Jean's full extent of her powers. Xavier and Magneto said she could do anything she wanted with her mind. Magneto even feared her but didn't fear Storm, hell...the whole Brotherhood feared Jean.

 

[chaseter]

There has even already been a thread over this issue and the poll showed that Jean would win...if I remeber correctly.

 

[ntcrawler]

Those two sentences contradict each other.

No they do not. Storm's true potential isn't shown in the movies. It's not that she does weaker things than in the comics, it's that she doesn't do much at all. Period. Lightning, wind, and flying. That's about it. On the other hand, Jean's true potential is shown in the movies. She's shown at her absolute power. And it totally pales in comparison to what she could do in the comics.

We don't know the full extent of Storm's powers in the movies

Exactly.

and can only interpret that from the comics...

No we cannot. Becasue there's nothing in the movies to firmly establish how strong Storm CAN be. She just doesn't do much. At all. She's background.

and then you go to say that this is the movies and not the comics...

No, that's what you and X-Maniec and the rest keep saying. I decided to finally exploit the same argument in my favor for a change. Now it's you who's stuck with the gray void of uncertainty. Not me.

so Jean still can kill Storm by what we have to work with.

And so can Storm. Baseball bats and knives work quite nicely too against Jean's obviously human body. The goddess was done in with claws of all things.

Since we are on the subject of interpretation...we also do not know Jean's full extent of her powers.

Actually we do. Alcatraz shows Jean being as powerful as she can possibly get. And all I can say to that is... "that's it? That's the BEST you can do? So much for being a goddess..." Scott's optic blasts can cause more damage.

Xavier and Magneto said she could do anything she wanted with her mind.

He was being vague with his commentary He was trying to break it down into simplistic terms that Wolverine and Storm could understand. They're not blessed with his advanced knowledge of telepathy and TK. So why didn't she think San Francisco out of existence? Because she couldn't.

Magneto even feared her but didn't fear Storm, hell...the whole Brotherhood feared Jean.

You would too. Storm, wasn't a crazy psychopath like Jean. Storm actually had a sense of sanity to keep her under control. The brotherhood on the other hand was essentially a collection of hoodlums and street gang members. They'd be freaking scared of Pyro if he ran around chasing them and threw fireballs at them. the weak-minded can be powerfully influenced with special effects and shiny objects.

But I guarranty if you pissed off Storm, you'd be very afraid too. And you would run away very very fast. Not that it would do you any good against the Weather Witch

 

[ntcrawler]

There has even already been a thread over this issue and the poll showed that Jean would win...if I remeber correctly.

Oh I see. So Storm should just throw in the towel and give up the match because a public opinion poll decided she wouldn't be able to win? I don't think so.

That works for elections. Not for fighting. They're not going to stop what they're doing and ask the public who they think should win.

 

[Cyclops]

Please. The showdown that SHOULD have been was Colossus vs. Juggernaut. Halle vs. Carrie wouldn't have even come close to that.

 

[ntcrawler]

Please. The showdown that SHOULD have been was Colossus vs. Juggernaut. Halle vs. Carrie wouldn't have even come close to that.

Good point. I guess the other chars just didn't want to see Colossus get hurt. I mean, he looked really afraid when those burning flaming cars were falling all around him. Poor thing

 

[chaseter]

Oh I see. So Storm should just throw in the towel and give up the match because a public opinion poll decided she wouldn't be able to win? I don't think so.

That works for elections. Not for fighting. They're not going to stop what they're doing and ask the public who they think should win.

Did you just actually refer to Storm as an actually person that can read these message boards???

 

[ntcrawler]

Did you just actually refer to Storm as an actually person that can read these message boards???

Yes I did. careful or you might make Storm mad

No, what I'm I'm really saying is fights aren't won based on public opinion polls. Boxers, wrestlers, martial artists aren't going to ask the public who they feel should win or consult polls and determine their chances or the final outcome based on those. You made it sound like they were

 

[chaseter]

Yes I did. careful or you might make Storm mad

No, what I'm I'm really saying is fights aren't won based on public opinion polls. Boxers, wrestlers, martial artists aren't going to ask the public who they feel should win or consult polls and determine their chances or the final outcome based on those. You made it sound like they were

First off these are fictional characters in here...not real life sports stars. Secondly a lot of fights are fixed/rigged...more than you would think. But for the sake of X-Men...if more people wanted to see Jean win in a fight...then she would win...if any writers even listen to us.

 

[La_She-Beast]

That's what they'd want you to believe. That Jean is an all-powerful, omnipotent goddess who can blow up the planet with a single thought. Obviously that's not easy to deal with. But that's really blowing things out of proportion. Think about it for a sec. Jean can be very powerful with hir ability to disintegrate things, but it's not an ability she performs trivially. IE with a snap of her fingers. It's something she really has to focus and concentrate on to do and must be in a state of rage. She would not be able to do it if her full attetion had to be on concentrating on defending herself from a constant, devestating onslaught of destruction.

Ooooh... "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" term

 

[ntcrawler]

if more people wanted to see Jean win in a fight...then she would win...if any writers even listen to us.

Some do (Batman Begins), some don't (X-men 3). If they listened to fans, then Cyclops wouldn't "die" in the first 10-15 minutes of the third Wolverine movie.

 

[ntcrawler]

Ooooh... "you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" term

Yes. You have exactly the right idea. I think that's a fantastic way of putting it. She's definitely overlooked. No one ever notices Storm when she's upset, hurting, or angry. Very rarely. This time, when Storm becomes angry, they will ALL notice her. We should definitely try to use that quote. thank you!

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Storm, no matter how powerful she really is, would be killed instantly against Dark Phoenix. If Jean could somehow hold back the Phoenix enough to prevent Storm's rapid disposal, then maybe. But I think fighting instincts would take over Phoenix - and she certainly didn't let her relationship with Scott or Xavier get in the way.

Jean can sense anything, either telepathically or through TK fields. She could sense a bolt of lightning and reflect it, she could flatten a twister like that. Storm would be just another body bag in the X-Films... do you really want that?

Storm knew she'd be no match, and knew it had to be Wolverine's sacrifice. He'd be the only one who could maybe survive.


And, going off topic only a tad, I'll say I liked the ideas behind Jean's powers. "Demolecularization" was cool... 1. A Phoenix is known to "rise from the ashes" and what did she do? Basically turn things into ash. 2. Jean has mentioned, when within Dark Phoenix Flare-ups, that she has the ability to rip away molecules, one or all. So, I think it makes sense. Also, there was a anti-gravity and rising water motif throughout the whole movie. These things rise much like a Phoenix does - this was a great touch, especially the water in all TK scenes. It mirrors her "rebirth" at Alkali Lake. They managed to show the "ash" and "rising" themes in nice, small ways within the movie.