The Dark Knight How would Ra's al Ghul have responded to the Joker?

[Steyin]

Feel free to move this to the non spoiler section if it is better suited there, or anywhere else.

I have been wondering this for a few days. Ra's wanted Gotham to tear itself apart from fear, but what would he have thought of the Joker? Would he be in support of his methods and overall idea? Or would he see the Joker as a madman and plain threat in some sense that would only hinder his own ambitions and the LoS's agenda?

Granted both were trying to turn the city against itself in some way, using human nature and a slight push as a catalyst, but for some reason I feel that Ra's would either try to do away with the Joker, or just leave and let him have his fun only to step in again if the Joker fails.

Needless to say this is more of a what if if the Joker had come first, but I like to also think of this in regards to Ra's' characterization.

What say ye?

 

[DeaDheaD]

he would have killed him,

 

[Saint]

Ra's is all about control. He'd consider the Joker a dangerous, uncontrollable wildcard that would need to be eliminated.

 

[Golgo-13]

The League of Shadows, as twisted as it is, is all about 'order'. The Joker is about chaos. Ra's would say that the Joker is even more reason why Gotham city needs to be purged.

He'd kill Joker.

 

[CaptainClown]

I would think he would drop Joker in certain cities, or give him reason to go to a certain city, have him destroy the place then kill him.

It wouldn't even really surprise me if Rahs inspired someone to be Joker. The anti-batman however did not anticipate how insane this guy would be. That is where the league relies on the Batman.

 

[hegele]

 

[TheCaretaker]

he would have killed him,

if the Joker doesn't kill Ra first.

 

[Sentinel X]

The League of Shadows, as twisted as it is, is all about 'order'. The Joker is about chaos. Ra's would say that the Joker is even more reason why Gotham city needs to be purged.

He'd kill Joker.

Yeah Joker was completely mad. Ra's had good intentions, its not like he wanted to destroy Gotham for pleasure he was doing it because he felt that it was the only way from preventing humanity from getting worse than it already is. Joker just wanted fun.

So I doubt they'd get along and Ra's would definitely kill Joker. Joker is a little sloppy

 

[storyteller]

Unlike gamble, Ra's has far more skill then even Batman. I doubt the Joker could beat Ra's when he lost to the Batman(who has the no kill rule).


The Joker is essentially what the league is all about destroying. The league didnt want to destroy gotham because they are evil. The intent is to save the world from itself. The group is misguided but Joker and the league do not have the same goals. The fear Ra's used was a means to an end. By showing a city destroy itself through fear, it would encourage the rest of the world to make themselves better(at the cost of millions of lives).

 

[namtaB]

Nolan's Joker is extremely intelligent and philosophical (ie. he mentions the irresistible force paradox) and Ra's is just as philosophical. It would be an interesting match up.

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

Yes, it would. They're both of totally seperate philosophy, but Ra's would easily do away with the Joker. Why? Yes, the Joker is cunning and calculating, but so is Ra's, not to mention, Ra's fights just like Batman, except of course, he's willing to kill. Not to mention Ra's controls an army. He might have used the Joker but then had him killed, which isn't impossible, even in Nolan's version.

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

Yes, it would. They're both of totally seperate philosophy, but Ra's would easily do away with the Joker. Why? Yes, the Joker is cunning and calculating, but so is Ra's, not to mention, Ra's fights just like Batman, except of course, he's willing to kill. Not to mention Ra's controls an army. He might have used the Joker but then had him killed, which isn't impossible, even in Nolan's version.

 

[Caladbolg]

Being that Ras' entire existence is to destroy men like Joker,

Ras would tear him to pieces. Joker would have people from random walks of life that would be after him and he wouldnt even see it coming.

Also the League are expertly trained, Joker would be beaten like a school nerd.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ras I dont think would be able to handle how self destructive the Joker is and what Joker is willing to do. I also believe Rahs would do another Nolan Twist and have another character posing as Rahs in order to lure Joker out.

But then again Rahs was fooled into thinking a certain ninja was bruce by a simple cut.

 

[Closerframe]

Well if many of you remember near the end of The Dark Knight, Joker used whatever was necessary to undermined Batman and he even was granted the upper hand, but of course he didn't want to kill him he wanted him to enjoy the fireworks. If he wanted too he would have killed Batman but he felt apart of him in a way. So he would have killed Ras Al Ghul and thrown his body of the side of the unfinished skyscraper.

 

[namtaB]

Yes, it would. They're both of totally seperate philosophy, but Ra's would easily do away with the Joker. Why? Yes, the Joker is cunning and calculating, but so is Ra's, not to mention, Ra's fights just like Batman, except of course, he's willing to kill. Not to mention Ra's controls an army. He might have used the Joker but then had him killed, which isn't impossible, even in Nolan's version.

Of course. But I would love to see Ra's and Joker in a room together just going at it philosophically.

 

[Caladbolg]

Of course. But I would love to see Ra's and Joker in a room together just going at it philosophically.

LOL there wouldnt be any talking. Ras would just kill him immediately. His league is for destroying corruption and criminals, not talking with them.

Of course it depends on which fandom you ask as well

 

[DieSmiling]

he would have killed him,

Most definitely.

"If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind him and stab him in the heart."

I'd say Joker stands in the way of "true justice."

 

[Closerframe]

Most definitely.

"If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind him and stab him in the heart."

I'd say Joker stands in the way of "true justice."

Everytime I hear that line, it makes me laugh.

 

[spideyman101]

If Joker could've made it to BM3, then maybe Ra's would've returned via Lazerus's Pit... then we would've seen...

 

[CaptainClown]

Well I always feel that Rahs would return. BRING BACK KEN WATANABE... I am like the only person on these boards who wants that though.

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

Of course. But I would love to see Ra's and Joker in a room together just going at it philosophically.

Who wouldn't? Actually, one of the FEW complaints I have about TDK is that they didn't have Batman and Joker going at it philosophically - which I was actually most excited to see, as the trailers made it seem like they would do that in the jail scene.

 

[jgiant]

For those who say Ra's would kill joker and joker lost to batman and Ra's was better than batman...well joker never wanted to kill batman, if joker wanted Ra's dead he would kill him, joker is too unpredictable and plans ten steps ahead and has no rules and fears nothing. Ra's is more about order, so its order vs. chaos. I'd say chaos wins.

 

[Gamingboy]

Ra's/Ducard would first turn to Batman and say something to the effect of: See, this is why our way was better, we didn't inspire freaks like this! Then he'd shoot Joker (assuming the Joker didn't shoot him first).

The great thing about Ra's is that he is Batman taken to the extreme, while Joker is the complete opposite of Batman. Different sides of the spectrum.



I actually can't remember any meetings between the Joker and Ra's in the comics off the top of my head, BTW.

 

[jgiant]

Joker beat Ra's in a game of chess.