Justice League How would you feel about John Stewart amd Wally West instead of Hal and Barry?

[The Guard]

Is race an issue? Of course it is. It's an outdated concept that the most powerful and great superheroes on the planet are all white men with a token white woman thrown in. A lack diversity hurts the concept of various superheroes coming together for a common cause to represent America and the world.

Why?

And why do they neccessarily need to represent America and the world's diversity racially?

 

[DaveMoral]

But it still distances this GL from the crappy movie by using John Stewart.

Not it doesn't. He still partakes of the outlandish concept. It wasn't Hal Jordan as a character that was rejected... it was the concept of Green Lantern that didn't put butts in seats in the first place. The mediocre writing and editing did it in for the relatively few people that actually showed up.

How is John Stewart distanced for an idea that didn't inspire people to buy tickets in the first place?

Let's put it this way, given the low gross and ticket sales from the GL movie, not enough people know who Hal Jordan is to have an opinion on his character and if he's in Justice League(let's say recast, despite me not actually wanting that since I think RR and Strong need another go with a proper GL film) no one is going to care. If the concept of a GL works in the ensemble for GAs, then it's a sure bet people will be willing to watch a solo film.

There are two potential ways to argue for what should have been done to better success in GL. 1) Go full throttle into the space opera more like First Flight. From the moment Hal puts on the ring he goes to Oa and spends the rest of his time there doing space cop things. 2) Keep it closer to home(Earth) and avoid throwing too much of the mythos at people too early. Have the Guardians get in touch with Hal via the ring much like JL:New Frontier and take care of something close to home... let's say a better written Hector sans Parallax stuff. If that works, then start throwing the whole she-bang at Hal and at us for GL2. Even then I might save Parallax until the very end of 2 and have that be a big reveal that the Guardians have been keeping secret from everyone until after Sinestro has jacked a yellow ring and started using it against the Corps.

From shoddy effects in a teaser, to comedy being influenced, then changed to "this is DC Star Wars!" and add to that a glowing green guy who seemed to only fight a giant black cloud of... something in the promotional material. People didn't want to go. The marketing for X-Men: FC, Thor and Cap felt more human and real. GL just felt like "here's some **** to look at." And I actually like the movie, especially the Extended Edition.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Batman is not specific to Bruce Wayne, well he is, but it's also specific to Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne, Terry McGinnis etc.

Bruce Wayne was replaced to greats critical success in Batman Beyond. As well as Batman: Reborn. Also the whole premise of The Dark Knight Rises was John Blake being groomed to take over the role. And guess what? After leaving that film, more people were asking about him, than Bruce. That was the most commercially successful singular superhero film.

Bruce Wayne is as potentially replaceable as Hal Jordan. Which is very.


My point is, just because it can be done, it doesn't mean it should be done.

What makes Batman a legendary giant among superheroes are all traits unique to Bruce Wayne. His incredibly obsessive drive caused by a violent childhood experience, the super-genius of an industrialist focused in the narrow purpose of crime fighting, tremendous financial and technological resources at his disposal, specialized training so expertly mastered that it surpasses any crime fighter in history by far, and a separate/distinct personality completely dedicated to the purpose of being Batman.

None of the other Batman "replacements" bring so much to the role of being Batman.

Not even close.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Why?

And why do they neccessarily need to represent America and the world's diversity?

It helps to show that not only whites can be inter-planetary superhumans.

That may not seem like a big deal to white people but much of the country and world is filled with non-white superhero fans and it does mean alot to see a non-white person be included among the best of the best superheroes.

Especially when such a thing has been established in the JL narrative/canon.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not it doesn't. He still partakes of the outlandish concept. It wasn't Hal Jordan as a character that was rejected... it was the concept of Green Lantern that didn't put butts in seats in the first place. The mediocre writing and editing did it in for the relatively few people that actually showed up.

How is John Stewart distanced for an idea that didn't inspire people to buy tickets in the first place?

Let's put it this way, given the low gross and ticket sales from the GL movie, not enough people know who Hal Jordan is to have an opinion on his character and if he's in Justice League(let's say recast, despite me not actually wanting that since I think RR and Strong need another go with a proper GL film) no one is going to care. If the concept of a GL works in the ensemble for GAs, then it's a sure bet people will be willing to watch a solo film.

There are two potential ways to argue for what should have been done to better success in GL. 1) Go full throttle into the space opera more like First Flight. From the moment Hal puts on the ring he goes to Oa and spends the rest of his time there doing space cop things. 2) Keep it closer to home(Earth) and avoid throwing too much of the mythos at people too early. Have the Guardians get in touch with Hal via the ring much like JL:New Frontier and take care of something close to home... let's say a better written Hector sans Parallax stuff. If that works, then start throwing the whole she-bang at Hal and at us for GL2. Even then I might save Parallax until the very end of 2 and have that be a big reveal that the Guardians have been keeping secret from everyone until after Sinestro has jacked a yellow ring and started using it against the Corps.

From shoddy effects in a teaser, to comedy being influenced, then changed to "this is DC Star Wars!" and add to that a glowing green guy who seemed to only fight a giant black cloud of... something in the promotional material. People didn't want to go. The marketing for X-Men: FC, Thor and Cap felt more human and real. GL just felt like "here's some **** to look at." And I actually like the movie, especially the Extended Edition.

What you're discussing makes sense for a Green Lantern reboot, not necessarily the immediate Justice league film.

Using Hal implies that your using the Green Lantern film's continuity.

Did everyone see it? no.

Does everyone know that movie sucked? yes.

Use John Stewart and fewer people will think JL is a continuation of a far inferior film franchise.

 

[TheWatcher]

I think the different actor,costume, and general tone will do that.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Movie goers did not reject Hal Jordan. They rejected a piss poor movie.

Nail on the head.

You know, I just realized, why am I even arguing to what harebrained excuse brainchild is attempting to muster for John Stewart? Hal Jordan is the Lantern featured in the script, and the one WB/DC wants. So that's that. It's common sense to comic fans and even executives out there that Hal is a vital member of the League and DCU (moreso than Stewart).

 

[brainchild81]

Next time just admit you're a Hal fanboy who can't admit he's replaceable. Could have saved us some time & post space. They don't NEED or HAVE to have him in JL. Only a fanboy would pretend otherwise. The JL was great w/out him on JLU. There's no reason it couldn't work again w/John if WB had the smarts & balls to pull it off

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm not a Hal fanboy, but seeing as you have no legitimate point in Stewart being featured in a origin JL film, I don't care. You and Messiah have not been able to provide any credible argument as to how John Stewart 'replacing' Hal Jordan makes sense.

 

[brainchild81]

We've made enough, but considering that you think John being boring in the comics is a credible argument against cartoon John, I'd say your ability to judge credibility is highly suspect. Let me see if I remember them all. Probably still won't convince those who are stuck on Hal
1. Greatness. John was great in JLU & that version of the league was the greatest ever on film. Hal wasn't vital so they left his nutass out. That show showed everybody that John can work extremely well in a team and that Hal isn't a necessary component of a great JL. Show got more critical acclaim then any of the animated JustUs Leagues that used Hal.

2. Distance from failure. GL sucked and flopped. Getting faaaaar away from Hal's disgraceful mess of a film seems like the best way to go. A few of the bad points in that film simply wouldn't be there in a film about badass Marine John. Nutass wussy Hal being afraid of everything didn't work. Maybe a badass kicking ass will. Repeating success>>> repeating failure.

3. Unmasked. Even DApex agrees that Hal's type of mask ain't optimal. Why not use a GL cool enough to go w/out 1?

4. Diversity. Hal supporters wanna say this is the only reason John was chosen so I might as well list it. I'm probably not gonna pay to see a JustUs League film since w/out John I'd only care about Bats & Flash anyways. Diversity & John worked on JLU. Why not in a JL movie?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

1. Greatness. John was great in JLU & that version of the league was the greatest ever on film. Hal wasn't vital and they left his nutass out. That show showed everybody that John can work extremely well in a team. Show got more critical acclaim then any of the animated JustUs Leagues that used Hal.

Sorry, but 'greatness' is not an admissible reason. John Stewart was featured in JLU, but that hardly makes him an accomplished and popular character. It'd be like me proclaiming that Brandon Stokely was an elite WR just because of Peyton Manning. No dice. Stewart got his 15 minutes of fame but he hasn't done anything noteworthy to dethrone Hal Jordan (and never will) as the most prominent Green Lantern.

2. Distance from failure. GL sucked and flopped. Getting faaaaar away from Hal's disgraceful mess of a film seems like the best way to go. A few of the bad points in that film simply wouldn't be there in a film about badass Marine John. Nutass wussy Hal being afraid of everything didn't work. Maybe a badass kicking ass will. Repeating success>>> repeating failure.

Another anemic reason.

• The general audience isn't coming to see Justice League for Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern. They'll be forming lines for Batman and Superman sharing the same screen for the first time in history. The usage of Hal Jordan won't affect the Box Office, and if you believe that, then you're ignorant as hell.

• I seem to recall a small faction of fans belittling Marvel Studios and Joss Whedon for their decision to use Hulk in the line-up after The Incredible Hulk underperformed. A re-cast and two years later, Hulk steals the show and The Avengers breaks box office records.

Moot point, period.

3. Unmasked. Even DApex agrees that Hal's type of mask ain't optimal. Why not use a GL cool enough to go w/out 1?

4. Diversity. Hal supporters wanna say this is the only reason John was chosen so I might as well list it. I'm probably not gonna pay to see a JustUs League film since w/out John I'd only care about Bats & Flash anyways. Diversity & John worked on JLU. Why not in a JL movie?

For the Trillionth time, because John Stewart was not a founding member, and nor was he the first Green Lantern.

And great. I'm sure Justice League is going to succeed with or without your money anyways, so do what you want.

 

[DaveMoral]

Diversity and John Stewart aren't going to be relevant in a modern incarnation of the JL on film. I haven't seen any scripts, but I'm willing to bet they would consider putting Cyborg in the mix since he is now a founding member of the Justice League since New 52. He's had more exposure to cartoon watchers than John Stewart too. Between being on the old Superfriends/Super Powers show and Teen Titans. Now he's a founder of the JL.

I'd also be willing to be that if they used Martian Manhunter they'd go for a black actor for his human form, just like they did in Smallville and it's Justice League. Oh yeah, Cyborg was also in that JL.

 

[Sun_Down]

If WB/DC manages to pick John Stewart or Cyborg for the starting line-up, then it shouldn't be based on nationality/skin-color just to diversify The League. The last thing I want is for a role to feel forced just to satisfy a section of the audience.

You don't want that. Got it. Doesn't make it any less likely to happen.

And it's not about "satisfying a section of the audience"? You think that only black people like seeing black people on screen? Or only women like seeing women? That's a very misguided perception.

What, if I may ask, is so wrong with John Stewart? He's not as "iconic" (a word that has truly lost all meaning in places like this)? Does he possess any less ability to be a compelling or interesting character? Would it be impossible to write him in a way that is interesting?

As opposed to the MCU?

Spider-Man- White
Iron Man- White
Thor- White
Captain America-White
Bruce Banner- White
Wolverine- White
Actually most X-Men- White
Magneto- White
Daredevil- White


Anyway, you're the one dredging up the "icons" that are Ray Palmer, The Ray or Jay Garrick. Then your arcastic when I bring up Robin (arguably DC's third most famous chracter) being mixed race. So, less of the sarcasm.

When did I say MCU was not overwhelmingly white? That's right, never. LOL, talk about arguing with yourself for no reason.

Also, the 158th Robin being of mixed race (and still half-white) doesn't exactly help your case. So less of the poorly formed arguments.

It's not racist, or even crushingly white, and inferior characters should not be chosen just because they aren't white. The movie will be a goddamned travesty if that happens.

You miss the point of my post entirely. WB is making a motion picture which they hope to market to a demographic that is larger than just you. The reality is that choices like this are made all the time. They are economically rational choices and choices that will continue to be made whether fanboys like it or not.

You'll also note that I never once said "They should do X." I merely said what you probably will, IMO, do. So your beef isn't with me anyway.

And "goddamned travesty"? Really? If Hal Jordan is replaced by John Stewart, you'll be boycotting the movie and praying for the souls of all those involved? My oh my, talk about unnecessary histrionics.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

You don't want that. Got it. Doesn't make it any less likely to happen.

Well, it's not like Stewart is going to be the number one guy. Hal has practically been confirmed to be the starter.

And it's not about "satisfying a section of the audience"? You think that only black people like seeing black people on screen? Or only women like seeing women? That's a very misguided perception.

There's nothing misguided about it. The Avengers were all caucasian excluding Nick Fury (who had a minimal role in the grand scheme of things), and there wasn't criticism over it.

So, I highly doubt that if Justice League doesn't headline a colored actor in the main cast, it'll be viewed negatively by the majority.

What, if I may ask, is so wrong with John Stewart? He's not as "iconic" (a word that has truly lost all meaning in places like this)? Does he possess any less ability to be a compelling or interesting character? Would it be impossible to write him in a way that is interesting?

I've explained my gripe with John Stewart as a founding member numerous times already.

Short Version: John Stewart was not the first Green Lantern.

 

[brainchild81]

Sorry, but 'greatness' is not an admissible reason. John Stewart was featured in JLU, but that hardly makes him an accomplished and popular character. It'd be like me proclaiming that Brandon Stokely was an elite WR just because of Peyton Manning. No dice. Stewart got his 15 minutes of fame but he hasn't done anything noteworthy to dethrone Hal Jordan (and never will) as the most prominent Green Lantern.



Another anemic reason.

• The general audience isn't coming to see Justice League for Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern. They'll be forming lines for Batman and Superman sharing the same screen for the first time in history. The usage of Hal Jordan won't affect the Box Office, and if you believe that, then you're ignorant as hell.

• I seem to recall a small faction of fans belittling Marvel Studios and Joss Whedon for their decision to use Hulk in the line-up after The Incredible Hulk underperformed. A re-cast and two years later, Hulk steals the show and The Avengers breaks box office records.

Moot point, period.







For the Trillionth time, because John Stewart was not a founding member, and nor was he the first Green Lantern.

And great. I'm sure Justice League is going to succeed with or without your money anyways, so do what you want.

1. You don't like the reason, but it still stands. It WORKED and it was great. Hal was not used and it was AWESOME! I'm glad that the creators had the vision and balls to think outside the boring box you'd like them to stay in.

2.Shot yourself in the foot w/that one. You're saying you want Hal there even tho he won't effect the box office. I want John there to help the movie be and do better, not take up space.

Please don't compare Hulk to Hal. Hulk>>>> Hal in terms of everything. GA cares about him. He's an icon & even @his worst he's proven to be a bigger box office draw then Hal. There's also no Hulk Corps full of other characters that can fill his spot. He added to Avengers & I don't remember people wanting him out. Neither Hulk failed as epic as GL did or cost as much. Hal's movie had people thinking the whole genre was collapsing. Moot point.

3. Lol just finding some common ground.

4. LMFAO That's fanboy talk, son. Who cares if he wasn't a founding member? Didn't stop them from using him in JLU and didn't stop the show from being great. GA wouldn't give a rat's ass. Same way they didn't back then. They don't need to please you. They need to please the GA. GA doesn't have a lameass ''FOUNDING MEMBERS ONLY” policy like you do. Anyone that ain't Supes or Bats or even WW can be replaced. They don't have to follow the comics to the letter for it to work. This is just as lame as the weak ''John's boring in the comics” argument. MOOT AS HELL. Do better.

P.S. Lol Glad I have your permission to do what I want. Didn't you think GL was gonna succeed too?

 

[cleverusername8]

It helps to show that not only whites can be inter-planetary superhumans.

That may not seem like a big deal to white people but much of the country and world is filled with non-white superhero fans and it does mean alot to see a non-white person be included among the best of the best superheroes.

Especially when such a thing has been established in the JL narrative/canon.

For the last time, I am sick and tired of hearing this.

I'm an enormous superhero fan and I am not white. It has never in my life bothered me that the majority of superheroes are white. NONE of my top favorite superheroes are a minority and I hate it when people go around saying that the reason superhero movies need diversity is because everyone in the audience who isn't white won't be able to relate or care about what's happening. This may be the case for some people but as a sweeping generalization, your statement is false.

I advocate for John mainly because of my love of the JL and JLU cartoons which I adored and still enjoy today. I have absolutely no problem seeing Hal and would gladly embrace him if WB decides to use him in this movie. Even Kyle would be welcomed in my mind.

So bottom line, while diversity is nice, it's not essential for non-whites to enjoy a movie. Sorry for the "rantlikeness" of this reply.

 

[The Guard]

Agreed. Movies without African American leads (and other races) have made money for a long time.

You want to celebrate diversity? Do it the right way, without limiting the concept. In the context of the JLA, and without boiling diversity down to only racial diversity. But in terms of diversity of powers, ideals, politics, etc.

Superman is an alien from Krypton

J'onn J'onnz is an alien from Mars.

Aquaman is of another species, Atlantean.

Diana is a goddess.

The Flash is a human augmented by science fiction powers.

Green Lantern is a human augmented by alien magic/science tech.

Batman is a human who trained himself to be the pinnacle of mental and physical perfection.

There's nothing inherently wrong with John Stewart as a character. However, if anything, I remember JLA fans being kind of bored with him during the run of the animated series. True, because he's historically not been the main focus of the GL mythology, he's probably not AS interesting, and doesn't have the expansive history of Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner or even Guy Gardner. He has his interesting elements though, and COULD be interesting, almost any character can be written well in the context of a Justice League film, but when you're adapting a concept like The Justice League, there are myriad options. WB's plan seems to be "Best foot forward", not purely "marketing". Which is kind of hard to argue with creatively.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Whatever you say brainchild. Your only ammunition appears to be the JLU cartoon, and that's what makes you delirious (believing that a C- character could take Hal Jordan's spot).

Anywho, I am relieved that WB/DC are pro-original for the Fab' Five.

P.S -- Work on your intellectual self-defense. Calling Hal a 'punkass' and citing a tv show (which was pressured to use a diverse angle) doesn't make John Stewart an appealing choice, nor the right one for an origin film,

 

[Sun_Down]

Well, it's not like Stewart is going to be the number one guy. Hal has practically been confirmed to be the starter.

There's nothing misguided about it. The Avengers were all caucasian excluding Nick Fury (who had a minimal role in the grand scheme of things), and there wasn't criticism over it.

So, I highly doubt that if Justice League doesn't headline a colored actor in the main cast, it'll be viewed negatively by the majority.

I've explained my gripe with John Stewart as a founding member numerous times already.

Short Version: John Stewart was not the first Green Lantern.

Again, missing the whole point and arguing with yourself.

1) "Confirmed to be the starter?" This "movie" is in the zygote state, if anything. Nothing is set in stone because nothing is really happening on this thing.

2) Your view that only "colored" people want a diverse cast is small-minded and misguided. And your Avengers analogy falls apart because they did have a black main character, even if you wish to marginalize him.

3) Also, "colored"?! Is it 1950? That kind of talk reveals a lot about your character.

4) OK, John Stewart wasn't a founding member in the comics. But guess what, this isn't the comics. It's a motion picture. Changes will be made for a number of reasons. Seriously, you're probably still riled up about the black leather X-Men suits.

5) JS not the first Green Lantern? OK, so you want Alan Scott?

Your whole argument can be summed up as such, "I like Hal Jordan and using any other Green Lantern would upset me because it's not exactly what I want!"

For the 100th time, you're missing the point. Never once do I say that they should use this character or that character. I am merely stating what they probably will, in my opinion, do.

 

[Sun_Down]

There's nothing inherently wrong with John Stewart as a character. However, if anything, I remember JLA fans being kind of bored with him during the run of the animated series. True, because he's historically not been the main focus of the GL mythology, he's probably not AS interesting, and doesn't have the expansive history of Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner or even Guy Gardner. He has his interesting elements though, and COULD be interesting, almost any character can be written well in the context of a Justice League film, but when you're adapting a concept like The Justice League, there are myriad options. WB's plan seems to be "Best foot forward", not purely "marketing". Which is kind of hard to argue with creatively.

Why is Hal necessarily the "best foot"? You say he has more history. How much individual backstory are you expecting in a ~2 hour ensemble movie? That argument doesn't really make any sense.

 

[The Guard]

That was me, not Doomsday.

You want me to list the reasons Hal is WB's best choice for Green Lantern? Yeah, not right now. This entire thread has been largely about that.

I'm not sure how the argument doesn't make any sense when I very clearly said that John Stewart could be written to be interesting, regardless.

 

[brainchild81]

Whatever you say brainchild. Your only ammunition appears to be the JLU cartoon, and that's what makes you delirious (believing that a C- character could take Hal Jordan's spot).

Anywho, I am relieved that WB/DC are pro-original for the Fab' Five.

P.S -- Work on your intellectual self-defense. Calling Hal a 'punkass' and citing a tv show (which was pressured to use a diverse angle) doesn't make John Stewart an appealing choice, nor the right one for an origin film,

He can't take the spot? HE ALREADY DID BEFORE! What part of that do you not get? (They were pressured? Where'd you get that info from?) The other Hal supporters seem to get that even if they don't agree. You're the only horse that hasn't crossed the finish line. My ammunition is JLU. You are actually right on that. Good job. JLU was a team show that worked like a charm and got mainstream recognition for greatness. We're discussing a team movie that WB wants to work like a charm w/the mainstream so they can make a profit. My ammunition applies here. I keep using it because you don't have a counter for it. You have no ammunition. All of your points have been rendered moot. Actually, they've just been exposed as moot. They were moot b4 you even typed them. Like a fanboy, you go on & on about the comics as if you expect the movie to be EXACTLY like the comics, as if it has to be for it to work. That is foolish. THAT is delusional. I'm calling Hal a punkass because he was *****ing about all the stuff he was afraid of in his failure of a film. You didn't answer my question. Did you think that GL was gonna succeed?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

He can't take the spot? HE ALREADY DID BEFORE! What part of that do you not get? (They were pressured? Where'd you get that info from?) The other Hal supporters seem to get that even if they don't agree. You're the only horse that hasn't crossed the finish line. My ammunition is JLU. You are actually right on that. Good job. JLU was a team show that worked like a charm and got mainstream recognition for greatness. We're discussing a team movie that WB wants to work like a charm w/the mainstream so they can make a profit. My ammunition applies here. I keep using it because you don't have a counter for it. You have no ammunition. All of your points have been rendered moot. Actually, they've just been exposed as moot. They were moot b4 you even typed them. Like a fanboy, you go on & on about the comics as if you expect the movie to be EXACTLY like the comics, as if it has to be for it to work. That is foolish. THAT is delusional. I'm calling Hal a punkass because he was *****ing about all the stuff he was afraid of in his failure of a film. You didn't answer my question. Did you think that GL was gonna succeed?

This is where your argument falls apart. You are basing John on his best appearance, which still isn't even all that great, in comparison to Hal Jordan's worst, in order to try and make your own point, despite the fact that in each respective adaptation, neither character was reminiscent of their source counterparts. Hence, the only objective examination is to examine the source material.

To give an allegory, both Bane and Catwoman have had awful on screen adaptations, and yet following The Dark Knight Rises, the characters are "badass" because they were done more in line with their counterparts.


Now do you see why people aren't taking you seriously?

 

[brainchild81]

You are. I'm gonna answer you even tho I'm surprised you're still here considering how off topic we are (yeah. You never explained that). It'd be great if you answered mine. We disagree over some fictional characters. You gotta stop acting like this is some personal beef.

I'm not using the comics because we are talking about MOTION pictures. I'm talking about JLU John because that's his mainstream exposure and I'm trying to discuss how he's been used effectively. The mainstream unfortunately doesn't read comics so the comics don't factor in here. John's source wasn't used. The version they created is the one I'm arguing for. Would it make any sense for me to talk about the other one? You just admitted JLU was John's best.

I know you want Hal in this, but are you saying that they couldn't make John work as they have before IN a team setting?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Again, missing the whole point and arguing with yourself.

1) "Confirmed to be the starter?" This "movie" is in the zygote state, if anything. Nothing is set in stone because nothing is really happening on this thing.

It's straightforward. If Man of Steel succeeds, then Justice League is a go. Nothing is set in stone but Will Beall and WB/DC chose Hal.

2) Your view that only "colored" people want a diverse cast is small-minded and misguided. And your Avengers analogy falls apart because they did have a black main character, even if you wish to marginalize him.

Ahh, whoever said I was referring to 'colored' people as those who wish for diversity? Were those my exact words? As I recall, I said 'a faction of the audience'.

Hmmm, that certainly reveals something your character as well.

3) Also, "colored"?! Is it 1950? That kind of talk reveals a lot about your character.

Please. I'm Mexican, Portuguese and Spanish. Don't try to make this racial, again.

4) OK, John Stewart wasn't a founding member in the comics. But guess what, this isn't the comics. It's a motion picture. Changes will be made for a number of reasons. Seriously, you're probably still riled up about the black leather X-Men suits.

It's a motion picture based on the comics. I'm flexible to alterations but not when arriving to origins, like JLA's. The fact is Hal was the first Green Lantern, and if WB/DC is serious about the DCU, then it must be him.

5) JS not the first Green Lantern? OK, so you want Alan Scott?

Technically, Alan Scott was the first Green Lantern but the character ceased to exist when the title was rebooted decades later. Not only was Hal born, but so was the concept of the Green Lantern Corps.

Your whole argument can be summed up as such, "I like Hal Jordan and using any other Green Lantern would upset me because it's not exactly what I want!"

Ironic.

For the 100th time, you're missing the point. Never once do I say that they should use this character or that character. I am merely stating what they probably will, in my opinion, do.

And for 100th time, unless WB/DC were seeking to base the live-action adaptation on a non-origin arc (like Justice League: Mortal), then it doesn't make sense. The inception of the DCU needs the precursors, not the successors to establish what WB/DC is hoping to create.

I, myself, am partial to Wally West over Barry Allen but in order for Wally to have a shot, Barry must be the first.