Justice League How would you feel about John Stewart amd Wally West instead of Hal and Barry?

[DoomsdayApex]

Except this isn't the DCAU. The live-action DCU hasn't graced movie screens for decades yet. That's the bottom line, and difference. So, you could cite the appearances of John, Kyle and Guy in Superman: TAS, Batman: TAS, JL/JLU, etc as prime 'examples' of how the DCU can work without Hal all you want but the reality is John, Guy and Kyle were introduced to these spinoffs long after Hal Jordan was introduced in the DCAU. If WB/DC truly felt that Hal Jordan wasn't a prestige piece of the puzzle then they wouldn't be wasting their time marketing the first human Green Lantern by featuring him prominently in the reboot, giving him his own television show and live-action film. At this point, it's beyond obvious who they want for Justice League, and it ain't John Stewart. WB/DC is pushing for Hal Jordan, and if Will (the writer) is authentically a DC fan, he very likely chose the original Green Lantern. It's that simple. Moreover, unless the upcoming director is Christopher Nolan, whoever the director is, he or she won't be choosing the line-up.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

We already know Hal is Green Lantern in Will's first draft.

 

[Sun_Down]

The fact is comic book heroes are mostly white.

Exactly my point. Not sure what got you so riled up. Apparently we agree.

So please, the race card, it's pity. WB doesn't have to use John Stewart or Cyborg just because they're black. Hal Jordan is the more popular and recognizable Green Lantern. So it'd make sense to use him over Stewart.

Where's this supposed "race card"? I honestly don't get your indignation here.

I said they'd use John Stewart to break up the whiteness of the League. I never said they should or "have"to do anything; I merely predicted what they may do.

And the average moviegoer doesn't know Hal Jordan from Adam, so the popularity argument is a non-starter. The general audience just wants a good character. Think anybody cared that Nick Fury wasn't the "more popular" 616 version of the character?

And Kyle Rayner is mixed race, his father was Hispanic. Dick Grayson is possibly Romani. Mister Miracle is black. Red Arrow was raised Native American.

EDIT- Just to keep it going since we're going general DCU:

The Atom- Asian
Robin- Middle Eastern
Green Lantern (Simon)- Middle Eastern
Aqualad II- Black
Green Arrow II- Asian/African/Caucasian
Static- Black
Bunker- Hispanic

Man, those are some real heavy hitters. Real icons of the DCU here.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Exactly my point. Not sure what got you so riled up. Apparently we agree.

It's how you said it, not what we agree on.

Where's this supposed "race card"? I honestly don't get your indignation here.

I said they'd use John Stewart to break up the whiteness of the League. I never said they should or "have"to do anything; I merely predicted what they may do.

If WB/DC manages to pick John Stewart or Cyborg for the starting line-up, then it shouldn't be based on nationality/skin-color just to diversify The League. The last thing I want is for a role to feel forced just to satisfy a section of the audience.

And the average moviegoer doesn't know Hal Jordan from Adam, so the popularity argument is a non-starter. The general audience just wants a good character. Think anybody cared that Nick Fury wasn't the "more popular" 616 version of the character?

While the popularity of Hal Jordan isn't important to the general audience, it's seems rather paramount to WB/DC.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Man, those are some real heavy hitters. Real icons of the DCU here.

As opposed to the MCU?

Spider-Man- White
Iron Man- White
Thor- White
Captain America-White
Bruce Banner- White
Wolverine- White
Actually most X-Men- White
Magneto- White
Daredevil- White


Anyway, you're the one dredging up the "icons" that are Ray Palmer, The Ray or Jay Garrick. Then your arcastic when I bring up Robin (arguably DC's third most famous chracter) being mixed race. So, less of the sarcasm.

It's not racist, or even crushingly white, and inferior characters should not be chosen just because they aren't white. The movie will be a goddamned travesty if that happens.

 

[brainchild81]

Honestly, some of you in here can't comprehend the difference between what is needed to establish the DCU and what you personally want (ex. no Hal unless he's played by Nathon Fillon; John Stewart was great on JLU so he's automatically superior to Hal). Get over it. Hal Jordan is the essential key to everything in the DCU and Green Lantern Corps. You can't have Guy, Kyle or John without Hal. Period. It doesn't matter if you find John Stewart to be the more desirable character, and that he was featured in JLU show without a single mention of Hal. WB is seeking to introduce the DCU with Justice League, therefore, you have to start with the precursors/predecessors in Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, Diana Prince, Barry Allen and Hal Jordan; not with Dick Grayson, Wally West or John Stewart in the starting line-up just because you prefer it.

lol Hypocrite much? This is about what YOU don't comprehend. Hal is nowhere near a Bruce, Clark, or even a Diana. They were in JLU. He wasn't. You're not saying he's needed because he is. He's obviously NOT. You're saying he's needed because you prefer him, period. Let's not pretend otherwise

At this point, it's beyond obvious who they want for Justice League, and it ain't John Stewart. WB/DC is pushing for Hal

True, but it doesn't mean they're making the right choice. It's theirs to make, but they have a history of making the wrong call

the average moviegoer doesn't know Hal Jordan from Adam, so the popularity argument is a non-starter. The general audience just wants a good character. Think anybody cared that Nick Fury wasn't the "more popular" 616 version of the character?

Ditto

 

[DoomsdayApex]

lol Hypocrite much? This is about what YOU don't comprehend. Hal is nowhere near a Bruce, Clark, or even a Diana. They were in JLU. He wasn't. You're not saying he's needed because he is. He's obviously NOT. You're saying he's needed because you prefer him, period. Let's not pretend otherwise.

You must either be outrageously dense, or you're trolling. Whatever the case may be, you're desperately making strawman argumentative points.

True, but it doesn't mean they're making the right choice. It's theirs to make, but they have a history of making the wrong call.

Let's just say I trust their judgement over yours.

 

[Project862006]

you know why i want hal WW,Supes,Batman,MM are all stoic do we really want jon stewart now

jla would be one of them most depressing movies ever lol

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I mean, Hal is needed for more than just comedic relief. If we're talking about the beginning here, then, at least, the original founding five must be present. Hal Jordan is one of them. It's not even up for debate. John Stewart is a successor, not a founding member.

I would like to see Hal and Barry making wisecracks though.

 

[Project862006]

thats why i wouldn't mind cooper for barry him and reynolds should have some good bromance chemistry lol

 

[DaveMoral]

I think it's funny that brainchild thing he/she is making statements of fact about John Stewart but everyone else is just making statements of opinion about Hal. John could easily prove to be as disasterous or more than Hal in JL or a GL film. For that matter, so could any incarnation of the Flash, Superman or Batman. Imagine they make JL and juat absolutely get Batman wrong but they've cast Ryan Reynolds as Hal again and actually nailed the character but completely failed on Batman.

There is absolutely nothing about John Stewart that makes him inherently an asset over Hal Jordan. Hal and Barry riffing would be great. Either character can be readily mishandled as can the entire mythos of GL. It's not as if GL proved something about Hal Jordan as a character just because brainchild doesn't like him(and honestly, I'm wondering just how much brainchild actually knows about the GL mythos given his/her opinions). The only thing that GL proved is that lack of confidence in the property results in a heavily tinkered with film with too many cooks in the kitchen. It's nothing about any of the characters in the movie and changing the characters wouldn't change the mess they created. At best, a John Stewart GL movie would have been a stoke black bad ass character. And they probably would have cast Marlon Wayans.

 

[brainchild81]

You must either be outrageously dense, or you're trolling. Whatever the case may be, you're desperately making strawman argumentative points.



Let's just say I trust their judgement over yours.

Good luck w/that. Worked out awesome w/the last GL film. You're being lame as hell. You call me delusional instead of saying what makes me delusional and now this. Don't try to insult me because you don't know what words like ''needed” or ''crucial” mean. Last person who called me trollish was sethy. Think about the company you keep, son. You should try to disagree and still act like an adult. What about my post is dense?

I think it's funny that brainchild thing he/she is making statements of fact about John Stewart but everyone else is just making statements of opinion about Hal

I'm not sure what gave you this notion. Elaborate please. I'm saying they should use JS. That's my opinion. Y'all saying they HAVE to use Hal.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Brainchild, your entire foundation for Stewart over Jordan is immensely decrepit. In fact, your defense for it is nonexistent. If you honestly believe that Hal not being featured on JLU is any indication to the 'status' of the character, then inane and delusional don't begin to describe you. If anything is lame, good sir, it's your logic.

 

[brainchild81]

Hal's status can be described in 1 word. Replaceable. No amount of childish name calling will change that. You can pretend that he's not like a fanboy, or you can accept the hard truth like a reasonable fan. ALL GLs are replaceable as I've said b4. Hal is not an exception to the rule. You like Hal. I get that, but to act like he's the only option is foolish and fanboyish. I like John, but you won't see me be so asinine when it comes to his status. He's also replaceable. Maybe an analogy can help you see the flaw in your ''Needed” argument. Let's say people used cotton candy to make fire for years. One day somebody makes fire without cotton candy and it's awesome. You're the guy saying ''Nah uh. You gotta have cotton candy to make a fire”. Sounds crazy? That's how you sound when you talk about Hal having to be in JL when JLU exists as 100% undeniable proof that you're wrong. They can use ANY GL. We disagree on which one they should use.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Bruce Wayne as Batman is replaceable too. Doesn't mean he should be replaced.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

We already had a movie with Hal and it bombed. So the argument that he's more popular is moot.

Movie goers have already rejected Hal. Now the should try another Green Lantern to emphasize that there are multiple human Green Lanterns.

I think John Stewart is a little boring for a stand alone movie but he'd be a good fit for an ensemble piece.

Is race an issue? Of course it is. It's an outdated concept that the most powerful and great superheroes on the planet are all white men with a token white woman thrown in. A lack diversity hurts the concept of various superheroes coming together for a common cause to represent America and the world.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think a solid way to make Stewart more interesting is make him a marine war veteran who's haunted by the war but is pushed to serve again to save the world when the ring chooses him.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Bruce Wayne as Batman is replaceable too. Doesn't mean he should be replaced.

Bruce Wayne is not replaceable.

His personal history, resources, drive and psychology are all custom made to fit Batman perfectly. No replacement has come close to filling Bruce Waynes shoes. He overshadows them all.

 

[TheWatcher]

Lets look at the Green Lanterns in the League since 1960.

Hal Jordan was the GL of the league for 25 straight years.

Then it was Guy Gardner for 11 years with the writers concentrating on Hal in his solo book.

Then it was Kyle Rayner for about 4 years, John joined when Kyle was having personal problems.

John split time with Kyle as the GL of the JLA for about 2 uninterrupted years before Infinite Crisis.

Then when the Justice League started over in 2006, Hal was the first GL chosen because Superman and Wonder Woman said he is the most powerful GL of all time.

John tagged alongside Hal for about 10 issues before some other crisis happened.

Then the New 52 happened and guess who is the Green Lantern of the Justice League?

You guessed it, Hal Jordan.

 

[brainchild81]

Awesome. Does that put him on Bruce's level?

Bruce Wayne is not replaceable.

His personal history, resources, drive and psychology is all custom made to fit Batman perfectly. No replacement has come close to filling Bruce Waynes shoes. He overshadows them all.

True. Terry's the coolest to me but people want Bruce and only Bruce in that suit. For better or worse the DC trinity is here forever. I remember seeing a DC universe short about the other members all being replaceable

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Lets look at the Green Lanterns in the League since 1960.

Hal Jordan was the GL of the league for 25 straight years.

Then it was Guy Gardner for 11 years with the writers concentrating on Hal in his solo book.

Then it was Kyle Rayner for about 4 years, John joined when Kyle was having personal problems.

John split time with Kyle as the GL of the JLA for about 2 uninterrupted years before Infinite Crisis.

Then when the Justice League started over in 2006, Hal was the first GL chosen because Superman and Wonder Woman said he is the most powerful GL of all time.

John tagged alongside Hal for about 10 issues before some other crisis happened.

Then the New 52 happened and guess who is the Green Lantern of the Justice League?

You guessed it, Hal Jordan.

That doesn't explain why they shouldn't try a different GL for an ensemble piece after a Hal-centered movie recently bombed at the box office.

Especially when the Justice League looks like an all-white country club.

 

[TheWatcher]

Movie goers did not reject Hal Jordan. They rejected a piss poor movie.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Again, if anything is tainted. It's the brand. Which I don't think is true, but that's what would be tainted. Nobody who was turned off by the movie is going to say "he's black now? I gotta see this!"

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Again, if anything is tainted. It's the brand. Which I don't think is true, but that's what would be tainted. Nobody who was turned off by the movie is going to say "he's black now? I gotta see this!"

But it still distances this GL from the crappy movie by using John Stewart.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Bruce Wayne is not replaceable.

His personal history, resources, drive and psychology are all custom made to fit Batman perfectly. No replacement has come close to filling Bruce Waynes shoes. He overshadows them all.

Batman is not specific to Bruce Wayne, well he is, but it's also specific to Dick Grayson, Damian Wayne, Terry McGinnis etc.

Bruce Wayne was replaced to greats critical success in Batman Beyond. As well as Batman: Reborn. Also the whole premise of The Dark Knight Rises was John Blake being groomed to take over the role. And guess what? After leaving that film, more people were asking about him, than Bruce. That was the most commercially successful singular superhero film.

Bruce Wayne is as potentially replaceable as Hal Jordan. Which is very.


My point is, just because it can be done, it doesn't mean it should be done.