Justice League How would you feel about John Stewart amd Wally West instead of Hal and Barry?

[brainchild81]

Based on?

 

[TheWatcher]

Put John as the main character of his own movie and it flops even worse.

He's boring. Martian Manhunter had more of a personality in JL and JLU.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Based on?

Again. 14 million people saw the movie in the US. Most cartoons are lucky to get 3 million in America where the show would be most popular. Green Lantern made another hundred million overseas. That's at least 10 million more people.

 

[brainchild81]

JLU is not most cartoons. I'm not sure if this can be proven one way or the other and I'm not gonna assume (especially not for that crap's benefit ) & since it wasn't a hit w/those who did it doesn't mean much. Finding bad reviews for it is easy. Finding good ones? Not so much

Put John as the main character of his own movie and it flops even worse.

He's boring. Martian Manhunter had more of a personality in JL and JLU.

Nah. John was featured more and had more importance to the storylines. You THINK a Stewart movie would flop. That's wonderful. We KNOW for a fact that Hal's did. John would unfortunately be held down a bit by the stigma and stink of Hal's mess

 

[HighFivingMF]

JLU is not most cartoons

It is though. It was never a wildly popular phenomenon. The Simpsons has only averaged 14 million viewers for one season. There isn't a more popular cartoon than The Simpsons. There's no way to 100% confirm it, but common sense shows more people saw the movie than watched the cartoon.

 

[HighFivingMF]

John would unfortunately be held down a bit by the stigma and stink of Hal's mess

That wasn't Hal Jordan's fault, dude.

 

[brainchild81]

Part of it is. 14 mil US tickets is suspect. Tickets run about $10 + up (even more for 3d) & the movie made far short of $140 mil here. Maybe you talking about a ****load of kids tickets and matinees

 

[HighFivingMF]

Part of it is. 14 mil US tickets is suspect. Tickets run about $10 + up (even more for 3d) & the movie made far short of $140 mil here.

For ****'s sake. Average price at the time was 7.93. Nothing else to go by. Regardless, more people saw the movie than the show. End of story.

You seem perfectly normal in all of your other posts. But when it comes to Hal Jordan you turn into the Sethypants to John Stewart's CW. Anyhow, I'm done with this conversation. See you in another thread.

 

[TheWatcher]

OK Brainchild, switch John and Hal. Movie flops worse.

 

[brainchild81]

Again, speculation. Only thing we're sure of is that Hal's movie failed big time

For ****'s sake. Average price at the time was 7.93. Nothing else to go by. Regardless, more people saw the movie than the show. End of story.

You seem perfectly normal in all of your other posts. But when it comes to Hal Jordan you turn into the Sethypants to John Stewart's CW. Anyhow, I'm done with this conversation. See you in another thread.

Probably so. Hopefully one not involving GLs. We'll probably get along better.Comparing me to Sethy? Ouch. Unlike Sethy I don't insult people over fictional characters or get offended like somebody's dissing my family when they diss somthing I like. I'm not gonna fact check that average price thing since you're done here. If that's true I really need to start seeing movies outside of Philly lol

 

[mace1]

But Hal is the main character. He has the most screentime out of anyone, he's the focus of the stories, he's the one on the promotional material and he's the only one in every episode. It's Hal's show. Everyone else is a supporting character. Just like how it works with every show.

That was for the first 13 ep,that will change has more ep are shown and more seasons.He may still be the main character in the future of the show but more folks will demand to show the other main earth green lanterns more so,and hal will just be another main green lantern character like the others.

 

[mace1]

John was in static stock for a few ep has well and that show is popular,and he was in other media i mention a earlier post and a few video games,and he hopefully will be in the green lantern animated show.
John by the way was/is some folks favorite OR MOST favorite in JLU.

 

[mace1]

OK Brainchild, switch John and Hal. Movie flops worse.

No because john is still more known then hal,more folks would have come out to see John.
I have a friend who said that if they do not use John i am not paying to see the movie. He said he would watch the one with hal when the dvd comes out.John has made a major impact in media over time like it or not.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Nobody's saying John doesn't have exposure/recognition. Just that Hal has more.

 

[TheWatcher]

Hal has a better origin,more personality and story line.

John isn't even a Green Lantern without Hal Jordan.

 

[brainchild81]

John's mainstream exposure was great though. He had the quality exposure that people don't forget. NONE of the shows that used Hal made the impact that JL did. Most of them were pretty lame. Shows like JLU & Gargoyles raised the bar for storytelling. When Hal's film was about to come out I had WHITE people asking me why they were making GL into a white guy. I never had any doubts that the movie was gonna fail. John was still the one in the GA's mind. I also vowed not to pay for it when they decided to use Hal. If they'd have just used some COMMON SENSE (get it? ) they mighta made some real dolo. Shame

 

[mace1]

John's mainstream exposure was great though. He had the quality exposure that people don't forget. NONE of the shows that used Hal made the impact that JL did. Most of them were pretty lame. Shows like JLU & Gargoyles raised the bar for storytelling. When Hal's film was about to come out I had WHITE people asking me why they were making GL into a white guy. I never had any doubts that the movie was gonna fail. John was still the one in the GA's mind. I also vowed not to pay for it when the decided to use Hal. If they'd have just used some COMMON SENSE (get it? ) they mighta made some real dolo. Shame

True.

 

[TheWatcher]

Let me ask you something, which Flash should they use? "
Wally is more popular, he was on JLU! We should use him despite the fact that it would mess up the source material."

The GA knowing John more doesn't change the fact that Hal is a much better character. John is boring. He has little personality and a backstory dependent on Hal.

 

[brainchild81]

Hal being better is just your opinion. Don't try to pass it off as fact. Telling the best story is the goal. While it's great if you can be fully faithful to the source material and still get it done, in situations where you can't it's best not to be shackled by the source material. The Nolan Batfilms are a good example. They mostly kept the important parts of the source material and left out the unnecessary parts. JLU did the same. Hal is an unnecessary part. They didn't feel the need to talk about him so John's backstory is obviously not dependent on him. Did you like Hal's film?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Hal's film was better than John's film.





Oh wait, WB don't want to make a film with John in it.

 

[DaveMoral]

The only reason people have for using John is JL is he was on the cartoon that is 10 years old. Rarely had an episode to himself, and was only used on that show because they wanted to diversify the faces in the League. They basicslly created a new personality for him, to boot. He's never been particularly popular The JLU, certainly not in comics. He can't carry a book by himself and his constantly **** on as the resident GL martyr.

There's no compelling argument for John over Hal. The only semi-relevant argument seems to be "the movie flopped" which has nothing to do with Hal as a character, or for that matter the strengths of John over Hal. In fact, if you can't see the futility of you anecdotal evidence of the popularity of John because of a cartoon within your circle of friends there's no hope arguing with you. Putting John in GL wouldn't have changed the fact that Campbell had no clue how to handle the character or the fact that the studio meddled as they did. They were uncertain of the concept, dien't trust it to hold its own and that showed throughout the film and the lead up to it. The number 1 example of this is that they even felt the need for Tomar-Re's exposition about the origins of the GLC at the beginning of the film instead of having him say all this to Hal at the Book of Oa. Had nothing to do with Hal or John, but the general idea and WB's apparent feeling that this might be pushing it too far for audiences to care. Their lack of faith turned out a subpar product and it confirmed their fears. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Thank you.

Having the same film but with John in place of Hal would have still resulted in the same film. Same reviews and same gross. It still would have flopped.

If people want a Lantern other than Hal, use Kyle or Alan. Both of them can diversify as much as John would.

 

[DaveMoral]

Hell, lack of confidence in their properties is why WB hasn't invested in the storytellers or directors to turn out solo films for the JL roster. Thank your lucky stars they haven't done Flash or Wondy, because the results would have been the same as GL or SR. They took a chance with Batman and struck gold in Nolan, but they haven't approached a visionary for any other project intil MOS. Singer was safe after his success with X-Men amd Campbell was safe because of his success with Bond and Zorro. What if they had used someone with vision and ambition who was willing to tackle a project like GL with gusto?

That's what's interesting about what Marvel has been doing. Favreau never did anything like IM before that. Branaugh did Shakespear before Thor. Those are gutsy moves.

 

[HighFivingMF]

If people want a Lantern other than Hal, use Kyle or Alan. Both of them can diversify as much as John would.

But diversify how!

Old Alan?

Or Gay Alan?

 

[brainchild81]

Hal's film was better than John's film.





Oh wait, WB don't want to make a film with John in it.

Another childish waste of a post. We already went over this. WB ****s up when it comes to DC films. A lot. They ****ed up w/GL. You're putting too much stock into what they want. What they want didn't work out too well for Hal's movie.

The only reason people have for using John is JL is he was on the cartoon that is 10 years old. Rarely had an episode to himself, and was only used on that show because they wanted to diversify the faces in the League. They basicslly created a new personality for him, to boot. He's never been particularly popular The JLU, certainly not in comics. He can't carry a book by himself and his constantly **** on as the resident GL martyr.

There's no compelling argument for John over Hal. The only semi-relevant argument seems to be "the movie flopped" which has nothing to do with Hal as a character, or for that matter the strengths of John over Hal. In fact, if you can't see the futility of you anecdotal evidence of the popularity of John because of a cartoon within your circle of friends there's no hope arguing with you. Putting John in GL wouldn't have changed the fact that Campbell had no clue how to handle the character or the fact that the studio meddled as they did. They were uncertain of the concept, dien't trust it to hold its own and that showed throughout the film and the lead up to it. The number 1 example of this is that they even felt the need for Tomar-Re's exposition about the origins of the GLC at the beginning of the film instead of having him say all this to Hal at the Book of Oa. Had nothing to do with Hal or John, but the general idea and WB's apparent feeling that this might be pushing it too far for audiences to care. Their lack of faith turned out a subpar product and it confirmed their fears. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

John's lack of comic sales has nearly nothing to do w/the success a movie could have had. We are in the minority. The mainstream doesn't read comics. Hal's ability to sell more didn't save his movie from failure. Cartoon John's popularity was so great they changed comic John to be like him. That's telling of how popular he was. Many episodes focused on him and Hawkgirl. That new personality you speak of is all that matters for this discussion. People liked it. Nobody cares that they had to change him. All that matters is that they were good changes that made people like him. I'm not concerned w/comic John which is why I'm not bringing him up. He's not important to the debate at hand. Cartoon John>>> ANY Hal. Especially the one used in that awful film. Distancing things as far as possible from that megafail is reason enough for nixing Hal.

Thank you.

Having the same film but with John in place of Hal would have still resulted in the same film. Same reviews and same gross. It still would have flopped.

If people want a Lantern other than Hal, use Kyle or Alan. Both of them can diversify as much as John would.

Nah. Using John would automatically get rid of a few of the problems that crapfest had. No complaining about being afraid of every damn thing and no dead daddy issues and no silly green domino mask. Movie would have to be different because you can't write John as you would Hal