Hulk vs Apocalypse

[wolf1023]

your in the army, thats intresting what do you do.

 

[Toby_Temple]

Back to the excuse game again. Why? Because you got pwnd! t:

ah....look at your next statement below fanboy.....

It's true that writers will change the way they write certain characters where some certain characters abilities cease to exist for some odd reason. Like the writer forgot or didn't know of these abilities.

You just agreed to my argument einstein.HAHAHAHAH!!

But with Hulk and Maestro, they've often succeedeed in their plans as Apoc seemingly hardly ever does. He gets stopped most/every time. So, throughout their history, Hulk succeeds (with the different writers) more than Apoc. And Maestro was unstoppable, something you 'cannot' say about Apoc. Since we can only go by this since this is what happened, Hulk beats Apoc most/all the time.

No. The Maestro is just an alternate reality similar to a "What If". Even Apocalypse have his own comic where he ruled the world. So again, your argument, just like the rest of them, does not stand.

I win. You lose! t:

Dream on fanboy!

 

[Toby_Temple]

Fair enough, but than a giant snake or Spiderman could also beat Apoc with or without prep time depending on who writes the story.
But we are talking about both these characters displaying their full potential.

Yes. But then we end up in a stalemate. So, in other words, this debate was pointless since the beginning if we follow the said logic.

The only potential Hulk has is for unlimited strength. Apocalypse's potential goes beyong unlimited strength.

Rodhul's bet here is on Hulk's strength. His other 'arguments' are just circular arguments which can be countered by circular arguments, as I've demonstrated. My argument is that when prep time is given, Apocalypse can do more than Hulk. Apocalypse can plan ahead and deal with Hulk's rage to limit his strength augmentation ability while Apocalypse himself can augment his strength enough to KO Hulk. Hulk does not have the potential to prepare in par with Apocalypse's potential. The Savage Hulk, even the current one, is just not as smart as Apocalypse. That's the obvious points why I argue that Hulk will lose to Apocalypse if prep time is given.

 

[wolf1023]

that was your best argument yet, good work.no seriouly good work I caint say anything to that...yet.

 

[Toby_Temple]

In my opinion, its the best argument there is for Apocalypse. Then again, its just my opinion.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Hey. I'll say this. If NAMOR can do this to the Hulk

The hell do you think an Omega Level Mutant can do to him?

 

[wolf1023]

that was bad ass but I dont remeber that in world war hulk whats that from.

 

[rodhulk]

You are right, Apocalypse hasn't succeeded in the plans that we know of. However when you look at the history of the MU you can put together a picture that explains it. It was revealed (I don't remember where) that Earth has a destiny. The mutants will replace homo sap and evolve into a race of psionics that are destined to bring a golden age to the universe. This seems to have attracted the attention of many of the universes cosmic entities. Lord Chaos and Master Order in particular have intervened significantly by creating the FF and Spider Man. The Celestials have given Earth one of very few positive decisions. When you apply this to Apocalypse and his plots you can deduce what they haven't actually said, namely that Apocalypse's plots are contrary to what the universe's major powers want. In other words, not matter how competent and powerful he is he has been cold decked from the start by beings who have the advantage of being able to look through time and actually watch how the events will unfold and make their plans accordingly. They use the heroes to change events and make them come out the way they want.

Still, Apoc doesn't succeed and we can theorize it anyway we want. I just look to the fact of the matter that we read exactly in the comics, and Hulk just seems like the better one.

 

[rodhulk]

Errm. I lack education and maturity simply because I'm telling you that you do? Horrendous reasoning. I'm in the army, and in the position I'm in you require a bachelor's degree.

And a sense of maturity.

Would you like that crow hot or cold , kid?

Yeah, sure, you really have a bachelor's degree, and let me guess, next you're gonna tell us you have a PHD, you're a DR. etc.......

You're just a joke, a big joke!

 

[rodhulk]

ah....look at your next statement below fanboy.....



You just agreed to my argument einstein.HAHAHAHAH!!



No. The Maestro is just an alternate reality similar to a "What If". Even Apocalypse have his own comic where he ruled the world. So again, your argument, just like the rest of them, does not stand.



Dream on fanboy!

Listen, my little fanboy friend....

While I did say writers may not write people to their ability, they still usually write them tot heir norm, and the Hulk's norm is that he usually wins why Apoc's norm is that he usually loses. Pwn'd again! t:

I haven't read the Apoc ruling the world comic, but from what I've been told to my memory, it wasn't as impressive as Hulk's.

And Hulk has beaten/stalemated the X-Men and others more than Apoc ever has, so Hulk is still greater.

So, I guess it's your argument that doesn't stand. Sorry, you lose again! t:

 

[rodhulk]

Yes. But then we end up in a stalemate. So, in other words, this debate was pointless since the beginning if we follow the said logic.

The only potential Hulk has is for unlimited strength. Apocalypse's potential goes beyong unlimited strength.

Rodhul's bet here is on Hulk's strength. His other 'arguments' are just circular arguments which can be countered by circular arguments, as I've demonstrated. My argument is that when prep time is given, Apocalypse can do more than Hulk. Apocalypse can plan ahead and deal with Hulk's rage to limit his strength augmentation ability while Apocalypse himself can augment his strength enough to KO Hulk. Hulk does not have the potential to prepare in par with Apocalypse's potential. The Savage Hulk, even the current one, is just not as smart as Apocalypse. That's the obvious points why I argue that Hulk will lose to Apocalypse if prep time is given.

Actually, my arguments are much more than just strength but you're one of the typical comic fans who hardly has any comics and therefore believe Hulk's only great thing is his strength.

He has many other abilities like healing, an ability to sense/see invisible things, etc,,,,

And yes, Hulk has been said to be the strongest enough to say he is stronger than Apoc's.

I've also shown how Hulk succeeds often in his plans, Apoc doesn't.

Everything shows, from the comics and not what we just want to believe, that Hulk is greater. Your posts in this thread are just not showing anything except for your own personal theories which are just that, theories. You're showing you don't own that many comics else you wouldn't come to these conclusions. Now, let me just say that that is your choice on whether you want to buy comics or not, but since it's obvious you're not a big comic buyer by your lack of knowledge in your posts, maybe you should stay out of these discussions.

 

[Toby_Temple]

double post

 

[Toby_Temple]

Listen, my little fanboy friend....

While I did say writers may not write people to their ability, they still usually write them tot heir norm, and the Hulk's norm is that he usually wins why Apoc's norm is that he usually loses. Pwn'd again! t:

Now that's an excuse. Writers do what they like about their characters and even put the abilities aside. You and every comic reader knows that for a fact. Apoc's norm is that he loses in the end is just because he is a villain(like I've said and proven a thousand times before). If we follow your stupid logic then any villain, regardless of their capabilities, will lose to Hulk just because he is a superhero. See how right I am?

I haven't read the Apoc ruling the world comic, but from what I've been told to my memory, it wasn't as impressive as Hulk's.

Age of the Apocalypse. And it was impressive. Where was the great Maestro there, eh. See how baseless your basis for argument are? HAHAHA

And Hulk has beaten/stalemated the X-Men and others more than Apoc ever has, so Hulk is still greater.

So, I guess it's your argument that doesn't stand.

Really? Apocalypse defeated Exodus who ,in Avengers#369 did the following.......

1. Amplifying Genoshan mutates' hatred of humans;
2. Crushing Genosha via a massive force field;
3. Immobilising Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Jean Grey and Crystal in another forcefield
4. Mentally resisting Professor X's telepathic control
5. Protecting himself from physical attacks; and,
6. Dealing out massive amounts of damage to both the X-Men and the Avengers

SIMULTANEOUSLY! I repeat. SIMULTANEOUSLY! Hulk is incapable of doing such a feat. Yet Apocalypse was able to defeat him.

Sorry my friend by my arguments stand while you have garbage for arguments.

Sorry, you lose again!

Keep on dreaming, fanboy! HAHAHAHAHA.

 

[Toby_Temple]

Actually, my arguments are much more than just strength but you're one of the typical comic fans who hardly has any comics and therefore believe Hulk's only great thing is his strength.

Look who's talking. hahaha. Everyone knows that its Hulk's unlimited strength potential he is more known for and is famous for.

He has many other abilities like healing, an ability to sense/see invisible things, etc,,,,

Seeing invisible things bear no weigh at all during a battle. And his healing ability did not stop Spider-Man from knocking him out cold.

And yes, Hulk has been said to be the strongest enough to say he is stronger than Apoc's.

And is has been said the Apocalypse can exceed Hulk's strength. So what's your point, eh?

I've also shown how Hulk succeeds often in his plans, Apoc doesn't.

Reminder, he succeeded in turning Hulk into War. duh....

Everything shows, from the comics and not what we just want to believe, that Hulk is greater. Your posts in this thread are just not showing anything except for your own personal theories which are just that, theories. You're showing you don't own that many comics else you wouldn't come to these conclusions. Now, let me just say that that is your choice on whether you want to buy comics or not, but since it's obvious you're not a big comic buyer by your lack of knowledge in your posts, maybe you should stay out of these discussions.

Or maybe you can't just accept that you lost this debate and that you're hoping I'll stop kicking you ass in this thread. hahahaha

Everything shows? You already admitted that comic writers just write what they want to happen in comics despite of the capabilities of the characters and yet you are here screaming that comics shows every reliable fact about every character. See what a hypocrite you turned out to be? I already proved in this thread that comics cannot be the basis for this debate time and time again.

Being a comic buyer or not bare no weight in this discussion neither does it prove anything. So please rodhulk, try to rethink and reequip yourself with better arguments so you won't end up like the joke you are now.

But kudos to your persistence and self-confidence.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

your in the army, thats intresting what do you do.

Logistic Specialist/Quarter Master

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Yeah, sure, you really have a bachelor's degree, and let me guess, next you're gonna tell us you have a PHD, you're a DR. etc.......

You're just a joke, a big joke!

Uhmm You need a bachelor's degree to be a 92Alpha in the Army.

But you wouldn't know that would you? You're too much of a jack ass to see past your own pile of bull ****.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

And notice how Rodhulk chose to ignore the above comic panel. lol.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

While Apocalypse has had his plans thwarted a number of times he has only lost a couple of fights that I know of in 5000 years. Contrast that with the Hulk who has been defeated a dozen or more times in 10-15 years of Marvel time and the Hulks "track record" is orders of magnitude worse than Apocalypse.

 

[wolf1023]

so your saying becaus there is more hulk comics he has had more time to loose...that doesent sit well with me maybe if apoc had more apearences and fights he would loose more or not I dont know that is just speculation, but yes you are right the ratio of wins to loses is higher on hulks side.

 

[Toby_Temple]

^Maybe, maybe not. Silicon Surfer is just addressing the absurdity of rodhulk's logic of using track record as basis for this debate and that if we look at it carefully, the track record basis is really not infavor of Hulk.

 

[wolf1023]

but the hulks track record was never the basis of my argument wich I have been loosing for like 5 posts realy I just ran out of stuff to say I dont feel like another ride on the marygoround.

 

[hippy fascist]

And notice how Rodhulk chose to ignore the above comic panel. lol.

Ummm...

are you ******ed?

That's black adam ripping the arms off of young frankenstein from when the titan's faced off against him in WWIII (albeit manipped)

I'm not even a DC fan and I knew that

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Ummm...

are you ******ed?

That's black adam ripping the arms off of young frankenstein from when the titan's faced off against him in WWIII (albeit manipped)

I'm not even a DC fan and I knew that

Far from being ******ed, and I knew where it was from. I just wanted a rise out of Rod.

 

[ssj wolverine]

The only way pathetic Hulk can beat Apocalypse is if Apocalypse allows it.

 

[rodhulk]

Now that's an excuse. Writers do what they like about their characters and even put the abilities aside. You and every comic reader knows that for a fact. Apoc's norm is that he loses in the end is just because he is a villain(like I've said and proven a thousand times before). If we follow your stupid logic then any villain, regardless of their capabilities, will lose to Hulk just because he is a superhero. See how right I am?



Age of the Apocalypse. And it was impressive. Where was the great Maestro there, eh. See how baseless your basis for argument are? HAHAHA



Really? Apocalypse defeated Exodus who ,in Avengers#369 did the following.......

1. Amplifying Genoshan mutates' hatred of humans;
2. Crushing Genosha via a massive force field;
3. Immobilising Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Jean Grey and Crystal in another forcefield
4. Mentally resisting Professor X's telepathic control
5. Protecting himself from physical attacks; and,
6. Dealing out massive amounts of damage to both the X-Men and the Avengers

SIMULTANEOUSLY! I repeat. SIMULTANEOUSLY! Hulk is incapable of doing such a feat. Yet Apocalypse was able to defeat him.

Sorry my friend by my arguments stand while you have garbage for arguments.



Keep on dreaming, fanboy! HAHAHAHAHA.

Most/all of those feats would do nothing to the Hulk. Forcefields, he broke Doom's forcefield w/o any problem for example, something that was said to be pretty much indestructible.

However, those feats are nothing compared to the Hulk punching through time, Lighting up the cosmos with a punch, etc.....

And I ask again, who has the better track record? Hulk. Issue closed (and you can make excuses about Apoc losing because he's a villain but those are just excuses why I use comic knowledge). That's why I said you should leave the comic debating between people who actually own comics.