The Avengers Hulk Vs Thor - The Movie Edition

[Cth]

Its not because they ditched Don Blake. Its because they did a poor job a showing Thor's strength with out Mjolnir. It doesn't feel like Thor's Powers and Mjolnir powers are separate interdependent powers. It sort of has that He-man and his Sword of power

They need to show Thor doing feats with out using Mjolnir.

Thank you, great that someone is actually listening instead of reacting.

But yes, the He Man comparison sums it up nicely. Thanks for helping to clarify.

 

[Cth]

What i was saying that There are situation in which Thor could use Mjolnir that would allow him to fight bare handed. That way he could display his own strength out side of using Mjolnir as an offensive weapon.

Which is why it'd be good if he's separated from it for a while to establish that as well as having a scene where Cap gives him the hammer, building both characters from a simple scene.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I've never understood people that think that whoever is stronger is guaranteed to win.

The problem is, most Hulk fans I've come across realize this....it's the people that aren't Hulk fans that assume Hulk fans think like that.

Not to rehash an old debate but how true this is.

 

[Oruku Saki]

I agree, what's the point of giving all those cool powers if they're gonna take most of them away when he makes it to the big screen?

I think in the movie universe; given only 1.5 -2hrs of film usually characters with vast powers use more of them in subsequent films, rather than use all of them the first film out. In THOR he basically used the following.

1.) flying using his hammer throw
2.) created a Tornado
3.) The Mjolnir slam (where he basically created the ground shockwave)
4.) Using his strength like Sauron in 1st LOTR
5.) Called down lightning didn't he? (not sure when this was)

That's basically 5 separate abilities he showed for the 1st film.. I expect they will expand on these for Avengers and Thor 2 (especially if the villain he faces is very large and powerful)

 

[BigThor]

Which is why it'd be good if he's separated from it for a while to establish that as well as having a scene where Cap gives him the hammer, building both characters from a simple scene.

No

Let each character use their respective weapons, this will be Thor's second time on the big screen it's far to early to start diluting his hammer mythos.

What i was saying that There are situation in which Thor could use Mjolnir that would allow him to fight bare handed. That way he could display his own strength out side of using Mjolnir as an offensive weapon.

He could just get seperated from Mjolnir after being sent flying by a large blast, then he could proceed to fight through hordes of aliens bare handed.

 

[Oruku Saki]

I keep thinking there is gonna be a scene where Thor calls down lightning to take out multiple targets at once in this movie...and i mean like 50+

 

[BigThor]

I keep thinking there is gonna be a scene where Thor calls down lightning to take out multiple targets at once in this movie...and i mean like 50+

That would be awesome, for some reason I've been thinking about a scene like that for quite some time now.

 

[Venomfan]

this is a fun thread. it seems most ppl loved the fight in the movie but wished it was longer

i was reading Thors bio on marvel and i came to a realization about Hulk vs Thor fights. you know when people are giving feats of strength examples for both characters? after reading Thors bio i'd say hulks greatest feat of strength is beating Thor in a fight.

this is what it says Thor can do/has done. from http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)

Superhuman Strength: In addition to being the God of Thunder, Thor is also the Norse God of Strength, as such he is physically the strongest of the Norse gods[19][26][27][28][20][29] and one of the most powerful beings in the Universe.[30] His strength has been called unlimited.[18] His feats include easily lifting over a millions tons without any effort,[31][32] crumbling Uru into dust,[29] defeating and overpowering superhumans as strong and powerful as the Silver Surfer, Namor, Juggernaut, Hercules, the Hulk, the Red Hulk, the Sentry, and Gladiator in single combat, lifting the Midgard Serpent,[33] who was large enough to coil around the Earth from head to tail multiple times over and crush it in its grip.[26], overpowering cosmic entities when pressed in battle and physically destroying stars, planets, and moons with only his fists.[34][35] Thor also possesses a magical belt that doubles his natural strength. Thor is also capable of entering into a state of Berserker Rage known as Warrior's Madness, which will temporarily increase his strength and stamina tenfold but will only do so in desperate situations because it threatens his sanity.

IMO nothing Hulk has done in terms of feats of strength comes close to this, except that he has beaten the guy who has done these things. Hulk lifting a mountain in secret wars is nothing compared to the above. thats why IMO hulk beating Thor has thusfar been his greatest feat of strength

 

[The Morningstar]

We talking about movie Thor vs movie Hulk? I'd give it to Thor. If it's out in the open and Thor has Mjolnir, i don't see him losing. Unless Hulk gets hold of him, then he's in big trouble.

 

[Quasimod0]

If thor can attack from far away without getting hit by thrown stuff, which he can, then I think he'd win.

 

[Raiden]

I think in terms of physical strength, Hulk is stronger than Thor, but Thor's strength shouldn't be far behind, and he also has Mjolnir on top of that. I thought the movie illustrated how both superheroes fought pretty much to a standstill, although I chuckled at that part when Thor intentionally forced Hulk to hold his hammer and he couldn't do it. That alone can tell you just how powerful Thor is, since he can wield a weapon even Hulk cannot.

 

[The Morningstar]

That's nothing to do with power though. It's an intangible quality.

 

[Raiden]

That's nothing to do with power though. It's an intangible quality.

Well, Thor has used that to his advantage in the past, notably in Thor movie when he placed Mjolnir on Loki's chest to prevent him from moving. I consider that a tactical advantage by Thor to use his hammer this way.

 

[Golgo-13]

I don't want to get a Thor vs Huk argument started but i think Hulk had it in Avengers. Yes, they traded blows, and i love Thor holding Hulk in a choke hold with his hammer, but if you remember the part when the pilot is sent to distract the Hulk, Hulk can be clearly seen slamming Thor all over the place like a rag doll.

 

[Fifthchild]

this is a fun thread. it seems most ppl loved the fight in the movie but wished it was longer

i was reading Thors bio on marvel and i came to a realization about Hulk vs Thor fights. you know when people are giving feats of strength examples for both characters? after reading Thors bio i'd say hulks greatest feat of strength is beating Thor in a fight.

this is what it says Thor can do/has done.

Superhuman Strength: In addition to being the God of Thunder, Thor is also the Norse God of Strength, as such he is physically the strongest of the Norse gods[19][26][27][28][20][29] and one of the most powerful beings in the Universe.[30] His strength has been called unlimited.[18] His feats include easily lifting over a millions tons without any effort,[31][32] crumbling Uru into dust,[29] defeating and overpowering superhumans as strong and powerful as the Silver Surfer, Namor, Juggernaut, Hercules, the Hulk, the Red Hulk, the Sentry, and Gladiator in single combat, lifting the Midgard Serpent,[33] who was large enough to coil around the Earth from head to tail multiple times over and crush it in its grip.[26], overpowering cosmic entities when pressed in battle and physically destroying stars, planets, and moons with only his fists.[34][35] Thor also possesses a magical belt that doubles his natural strength. Thor is also capable of entering into a state of Berserker Rage known as Warrior's Madness, which will temporarily increase his strength and stamina tenfold but will only do so in desperate situations because it threatens his sanity.

IMO nothing Hulk has done in terms of feats of strength comes close to this, except that he has beaten the guy who has done these things. Hulk lifting a mountain in secret wars is nothing compared to the above. thats why IMO hulk beating Thor has thusfar been his greatest feat of strength

That would be totally impressive but for most of it being massively exaggerated. For instance Thor has never really defeated the red Hulk (may seem like a nitpick because he definitely had him "on the ropes") and though he ahs defeated most of the others (not sure about Juggernaut or Hercules) it wasnt through "overpowering them" in terms of strength i.e. He has never been shown as physically overpowering Hercules, Juggernaut, the Red Hulk, Sentry, Gladiator. He has overpowered the Surfer pretty badly and Namor on land (though the idea that Thor is stronger than the Surfer and a dry Namor should be pretty uncontroversial) but he was quite badly spanked by The Sentry until The Sentry more or less gave up.

I'd love to hear about these stars planets and moons that Thor has destroyed with his fists because i can say quite categorically - he's never done this. Thor does have a magic belt of strength and he did lift the Midgard Serpent which is probably his biggest strength feat. The idea that his strength increases tenfold is based on a single panel of dialogue and is contradicted by times when he did go into WM and nothing like this happened.

I think its hard to argue against the idea that Hulks biggest and most outrageous strength feats (pulling a planet together with his bare hands, hitting someone hard enough that the shockwaves shattered a nearby planet, thunderclapping a dimension away, getting so angry and strong that he broke Manhattan in half with a footstep, KOing a Red Hulk at the height of his power with a contemptuous thunderclap) are a world away from Thor's. Holding the mountain (actually a mountain range in the original version) is in fact by no means Hulks best feat and was actually done by one of his least impressive incarnations (the Banner controlled Hulk). Which is of course not a slam on Thor, or indeed his physical prowess, in any way. Thor's really big, ridiculous moments tend to come from, surprise surprise, Mjolnir.

At the end of the day Thor and Hulk will always be rivals but Hulk should, and generally does, outshine Thor in strength in the same way Thor is advantaged by posessing what should be portrayed as one of the most powerful weapons in the Universe in Mjolnir. Anyway the main lesson IMO is to take these fan edited wiki pages with a big grain of salt.

 

[The Morningstar]

When did the shockwaves of Hulks punch shatter a nearby planet? I've never seen that. I know Drax and Thanos have traded blows that blew up planets before though

 

[BigThor]

I don't want to get a Thor vs Huk argument started but i think Hulk had it in Avengers. Yes, they traded blows, and i love Thor holding Hulk in a choke hold with his hammer, but if you remember the part when the pilot is sent to distract the Hulk, Hulk can be clearly seen slamming Thor all over the place like a rag doll.

Hulk only slammed Thor once and threw him into some boxes, Thor was up on his feet in the next shot so I'm sure he okay.

There were points in the fight where Thor was clearly winning as well, so that was more of an "at the moment" kinda thing.

 

[The Morningstar]

I saw that scene as Thor basically using himself as a distraction. He was letting Hulk throw him around instead of Hulk smashing the crap out of the Helicarrier.

 

[BigThor]

I saw that scene as Thor basically using himself as a distraction. He was letting Hulk throw him around instead of Hulk smashing the crap out of the Helicarrier.

Yeah he definately wasn't hurt or "out of the fight", some people act as if there was no chance of Thor coming back (lol).

 

[The Morningstar]

Well if they were outside and Thor had the hammer, i don't really see what Hulk could do to him. Thor was casually batting away energy blasts, puts his reactions at subsonic, which is ridiculously fast. Then he has some cosmic super lightning, can fly. And the one time he did hit Hulk with Mjolnir he took him off his feet and dazed him.

 

[BigThor]

I agree with you on that, I think MCU Thor would take advantage of his flight and long range abilities alot more than his comic counter part.

Think about how cleverly Thor took down The Destroyer in his solo film, comic book Thor definately isn't that smart or resourceful.

 

[The Morningstar]

Don't you mean modern day writers just ain't that imaginative? Simonson's Thor used to do all sorts of crazy stuff. Even Busiek had him using his more esoteric powers.

These days he just batters people with the hammer or hits them with lightning.

 

[BigThor]

Don't you mean modern day writers just ain't that imaginative? Simonson's Thor used to do all sorts of crazy stuff. Even Busiek had him using his more esoteric powers.

These days he just batters people with the hammer or hits them with lightning.

Even then Thor never used common sense against Hulk, he thinks "slugging it out" is the best way to against a guy with unlimited strength.

He was quite badly spanked by The Sentry until The Sentry more or less gave up.

Actually Sentry himself was NEVER spanking Thor, I believe you're referring to his alter ego "Void" who also never spanked Thor.

Thor vs Sentry/Void
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^^^ Not once was he getting "spanked" in that fight.

 

[The Morningstar]

Heh if i was writing Thor i'd just have him dimension dump Hulk

 

[BigThor]

Heh if i was writing Thor i'd just have him dimension dump Hulk

I'd have him go toe to toe with Hulk until he realized it was futile then fly into the air then pummel him with lightning and tornadoes.