The Avengers Hulk Vs Thor - The Movie Edition

[DarthAlani]

That force doesn't necessarily need to kill someone to prove a point.

In countless debates (including in the comic threads here) across the Internet, the reason why comic fans pick the Justice League to defeat The Avengers (other than roster depth) is because of The Flash. His speed is the X-Factor. Speed does indeed kill, which is why I believe Thor has the slight advantage.

Superman is also far faster than anyone on the Avengers

 

[jaqua99]

Another dumb post by a biased fanboy. Thor has ,again, never speed blitzed anyone. LOL.
Oh, since speed is the 'ultimate power' he should be able to destroy the likes of Thanos within a second! That doesn't even make sense.

Btw, i couldn't care less about what dc fanboys say about speed. The only reason some might consider the Flash the most powerful member has nothing to do with only speed, but with all the tricks he can do with the speed force.

oh dear god...I am done here

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Superman is also far faster than anyone on the Avengers

True, but it also depends on the depiction. Superman's power/speed levels tend to vary from one writer to another.

I mean, Supes moving planets and traveling through the galaxy near the speed of light, and then a decade later it takes him 10 minutes to arrive in China and struggles to pick up anything heavier than a car? Jeez.

 

[Venomfan]

i could see them having a draw and then ending the movie similar to rocky 2 where it ends just as rocky and apollo are throwing punches at eachother. like Thor and Hulk argue throughout the movie about who would have won the fight and at the end agree to go for round 2.

obviously it would never happen, but would kind of appease fans of both characters and end the movie with something exciting

 

[BigThor]

i could see them having a draw and then ending the movie similar to rocky 2 where it ends just as rocky and apollo are throwing punches at eachother. like Thor and Hulk argue throughout the movie about who would have won the fight and at the end agree to go for round 2.

obviously it would never happen, but would kind of appease fans of both characters and end the movie with something exciting

It would sure please me, both characters are close enough in power to have the fight end in a tie without it seeming ridiculous.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A godblast from Thor sent Galactus running for his life, it damaged the skull dome of a CELESTIAL, and a close range version killed someone who pummeled Silver Surfer with his bare hands.

How weak was Galactus though? If he hadnt fed for a while this could be a factor. The Celestial fair enough, also who was the person who pummeled SS with his bare hands?

He can even use it without Mjolnir, I don't care how durable Hulk is he can't survive an attack that is designed to destroy immortals (real immortals) without being put out of comission for a period of time.

I dont know, a pissed off Hulk can survive a lot, I cant remember the comic or character but this person blasted Hulk with an energy no one in the universe had ever survived before. It obliterated Hulk almost down to the bone and yet he healed instantly and was ready for more. Also, in his recent fight with Zeus he took a hell of a beating yet still survived.

 

[BigThor]

How weak was Galactus though? If he hadnt fed for a while this could be a factor. The Celestial fair enough, also who was the person who pummeled SS with his bare hands?{/QUOTE]

He wasn't a full powered but I don't think he was dying of hunger, besides it's still Galactus.

The person who pummeled Surfer is a character called "Durok The Demolisher", he even broke the Surfer's board and he also beat Thor within an inch of his life.

I dont know, a pissed off Hulk can survive a lot, I cant remember the comic or character but this person blasted Hulk with an energy no one in the universe had ever survived before. It obliterated Hulk almost down to the bone and yet he healed instantly and was ready for more. Also, in his recent fight with Zeus he took a hell of a beating yet still survived.

Very true, but on normal occasions I think godblast would be sufficent to take Hulk out of the fight.

The version of Hulk that fought Zeus was the Green Scar incarnation which is far more powerful than regular Hulk.

 

[ArtTeacher]

I can't believe people still value strength over speed. Have we not learned from the sweet science or MMA? In most cases, speed triumphs over strength (90 out of a 100 times).

And I can't believe you're comparing a fight between a fictional god that weighs 400 pounds LESS than his green opponent who possesses the potential for unlimited strength to a fight between two humans who weigh roughly the same. As if the results of a UFC fight has some type of weight or proof of the way a comic book fight will end.

Thor has traditionally had trouble with characters that actually have super-speed. The Hulk has hit every speedster he's fought, if I recall correctly. I'd say Hulk & Thor have faired similarly against speedsters...meaning Thor doesn't seem to drawf the Hulk's record against the super quick of the Marvel Universe (and vice-versa).

The version of Hulk that fought Zeus was the Green Scar incarnation which is far more powerful than regular Hulk.

It's not really a fight if you don't try fighting back. The Hulk was trying to lose...to offer himself as a sacrifice in order for Zeus to cure his family & Rick.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

flashes infinite mass punch is the most powerful force in the universe

Then why does Flash never use that on the likes of Doomsday, Darkseid, Imperiex, etc? Why is it always Superman who is the last one standing against foes like these.

He wasn't a full powered but I don't think he was dying of hunger, besides it's still Galactus.

But a Galactus who is weakened has been known to flee before. Hell in the FF cartoon he would died from Ghost Riders Penance Stare if they wouldnt have chosen to save him.

[The person who pummeled Surfer is a character called "Durok The Demolisher", he even broke the Surfer's board and he also beat Thor within an inch of his life.

Did he beat Surfer enough for Surfer to be out of the game? Or did Surfer get right back up?

Very true, but on normal occasions I think godblast would be sufficent to take Hulk out of the fight.

The version of Hulk that fought Zeus was the Green Scar incarnation which is far more powerful than regular Hulk.

Green Scar isnt far more powerful than regular Hulk, regular Hulk has performed feats just as impressive if not more so than Green Scar.

 

[Smashlilman]

Then why does Flash never use that on the likes of Doomsday, Darkseid, Imperiex, etc? Why is it always Superman who is the last one standing against foes like these.

Because fans like to strip the character down to there bare bones power wise and argue them out while placing them into there perfect bubble. They like to create a scenario where there characters never make errors or mistakes. I call it the Chuck Norris complex.

Hulk = Potential Unlimited growth in strength
There for Hulk can beat the living tribunal/all

or

Thor = god
There for all none godly or celestial beings < Thor

 

[ArtTeacher]

Hulk = Potential Unlimited growth in strength
There for Hulk can beat the living tribunal/all

I've never understood people that think that whoever is stronger is guaranteed to win.

The problem is, most Hulk fans I've come across realize this....it's the people that aren't Hulk fans that assume Hulk fans think like that.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

And I can't believe you're comparing a fight between a fictional god that weighs 400 pounds LESS than his green opponent who possesses the potential for unlimited strength to a fight between two humans who weigh roughly the same. As if the results of a UFC fight has some type of weight or proof of the way a comic book fight will end.

In the early days, the UFC had no weight classes, so at times a fighter would have to take on another fighter who was three weight classes bigger. The results varied because of the takedown, of course, yet we still get dramatic examples with Fedor, Aldo, Edgar, GSP, etc.

My point is in a fight or combat situation, speed is a huge factor, and it's been proven from comic books to ancient battlefields with armies. It doesn't matter if the characters are fictional.

Thor has traditionally had trouble with characters that actually have super-speed. The Hulk has hit every speedster he's fought, if I recall correctly. I'd say Hulk & Thor have faired similarly against speedsters...meaning Thor doesn't seem to drawf the Hulk's record against the super quick of the Marvel Universe.

That's why I said I gave Thor the slight advantage over the Hulk. One's track record does not engulf the other's, however, Thor is more agile than Hulk.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Then why does Flash never use that on the likes of Doomsday, Darkseid, Imperiex, etc? Why is it always Superman who is the last one standing against foes like these.

1.) The writers, unfortunately.

2.) Superman's physiology differs from a human's, so it gives him the ability to take insurmountable damage when facing off against supreme beings like Doomsday and Darkseid.

 

[ArtTeacher]

That's why I said I gave Thor the slight advantage over the Hulk.

I give Thor a HUGE advantage over the Hulk. Per all of their previous fights:
* Thor is one of the strongest beings in Marvel
* He has thousands of years of battle experience; the Hulk does not
* He is trained in various forms of combat; the Hulk isn't
* His main weapon is one of the most powerful weapons in existence; the Hulk doesn't have a weapon
* Thor's mind is more rational, more tactical, clearer, and Thor is typically portrayed as smarter than the Hulk
* Thor can fly; the Hulk can't
* Thor can summon lighting; the Hulk can't
* Thor's fans claim he's far faster than the Hulk
* Thor can control the weather; the Hulk can't
* Thor has a myriad of exotic powers he can summon via Mjolnir; the Hulk doesn't

So, every time these two fight, Thor should easily contain or dispatch the Hulk.

But, historically most of their fights are pretty even.

So...the only conclusion is that the Hulk *has* to be way stronger than Thor to even hope to keep up with him. This conclusion is further strengthened when you realize that Marvel has been saying that the Hulk has the potential for limitless strength for 50 years.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Those battle boards discussions never really go anywhere.

 

[ArtTeacher]

Those battle boards discussions never really go anywhere.

You're right; let's close the thread.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I give Thor a HUGE advantage over the Hulk. Per all of their previous fights:
* Thor is one of the strongest beings in Marvel
* He has thousands of years of battle experience; the Hulk does not
* He is trained in various forms of combat; the Hulk isn't
* His main weapon is one of the most powerful weapons in existence; the Hulk doesn't have a weapon
* Thor's mind is more rational, more tactical, clearer, and Thor is typically portrayed as smarter than the Hulk
* Thor can fly; the Hulk can't
* Thor can summon lighting; the Hulk can't
* Thor's fans claim he's far faster than the Hulk
* Thor can control the weather; the Hulk can't
* Thor has a myriad of exotic powers he can summon via Mjolnir; the Hulk doesn't

So, every time these two fight, Thor should easily contain or dispatch the Hulk.

But, historically most of their fights are pretty even.

So...the only conclusion is that the Hulk *has* to be way stronger than Thor to even hope to keep up with him. This conclusion is further strengthened when you realize that Marvel has been saying that the Hulk has the potential for limitless strength for 50 years.

This is precisely what has confused me. I haven't read as many Marvel comics as I have for DC, so I've been left dumbfounded at times by the battles between Thor and Hulk. Their encounters are always close but when looking at the stats, they shouldn't be. On paper, Thor should beat that ass 9 out 10 times.

That 'unlimited strength when angry' aspect of Hulk reminds me of Superman's genesis with Kryptonite.

 

[BoredGuy]

limitless strength and an unstoppable healing factor....

That's why I could never get into Hulk in the comics.
People b***ed about Wolverine coming back from a skeleton, but Hulk is so much worse, comes right back from ridiculous crap... how could you ever be concerned that Hulk might lose, seems impossible unless someone keeps him stuck in Banner-mode

 

[ArtTeacher]

an unstoppable healing factor....
That's why I could never get into Hulk in the comics.
People b***ed about Wolverine coming back from a skeleton, but Hulk is so much worse, comes right back from ridiculous crap... how could you ever be concerned that Hulk might lose, seems impossible unless someone keeps him stuck in Banner-mode

You can thank Peter David for that.
The classic Savage Hulk wasn't really shown with that uber-healing factor; instead, he had nigh-impenetrable hide.

And Wolverine was shown walking around as a skeleton.
The Hulk has never (thankfully) been shown doing anything that ridiculous.

 

[ArtTeacher]

This is precisely what has confused me. I've been left dumbfounded at times by the battles between Thor and Hulk. Their encounters are always close but when looking at the stats, they shouldn't be. On paper, Thor should beat that ass 9 out 10 times.

There's no reason to be confused: a sizeable strength advantage is what keeps Hulk competitive here.

That 'unlimited strength when angry' aspect of Hulk reminds me of Superman's genesis with Kryptonite

How so?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

There's no reason to be confused: a sizeable strength advantage is what keeps Hulk competitive here.

Strength, but really nothing else (other than the crazy healing factor and endurance). Strength alone shouldn't be able to keep a character like Hulk in the game for a long period of time with an opponent like Thor (who's far more well-rounded).

How so?

Kryptonite was introduced to comics by writers to give Superman far more applicable challenges.

Hulk's 'unlimited' strength (rage and anger is not unlimited though) attribute compensates for the character's limited range of superpowers and intelligence.

Although Hulk's attribute was never introduced years after the creation of the character, it still relates to the shortcomings of the writers.

 

[BigThor]

I give Thor a HUGE advantage over the Hulk. Per all of their previous fights:
* Thor is one of the strongest beings in Marvel
* He has thousands of years of battle experience; the Hulk does not
* He is trained in various forms of combat; the Hulk isn't
* His main weapon is one of the most powerful weapons in existence; the Hulk doesn't have a weapon
* Thor's mind is more rational, more tactical, clearer, and Thor is typically portrayed as smarter than the Hulk
* Thor can fly; the Hulk can't
* Thor can summon lighting; the Hulk can't
* Thor's fans claim he's far faster than the Hulk
* Thor can control the weather; the Hulk can't
* Thor has a myriad of exotic powers he can summon via Mjolnir; the Hulk doesn't

So, every time these two fight, Thor should easily contain or dispatch the Hulk.

But, historically most of their fights are pretty even.

So...the only conclusion is that the Hulk *has* to be way stronger than Thor to even hope to keep up with him. This conclusion is further strengthened when you realize that Marvel has been saying that the Hulk has the potential for limitless strength for 50 years.

Like I've said before, Thor doesn't fly, use his vast warrior skills, tactics, exotic uses of Mjolnir, or most of his weather based powers against the Hulk.

He may have used lighting a few times but that's about it, but do you see wha I'm saying? Thor's doesn't really use any of his abilities that would give him the advantage over Hulk whenever they fight.

From what I've seen they mostly fight in close combat meaning Thor is indeed Hulk's peer in terms of strength.

 

[Oruku Saki]

i could see them having a draw and then ending the movie similar to rocky 2 where it ends just as rocky and apollo are throwing punches at eachother. like Thor and Hulk argue throughout the movie about who would have won the fight and at the end agree to go for round 2.

obviously it would never happen, but would kind of appease fans of both characters and end the movie with something exciting

now THAT'S a fan-made short if ever there was one....now, i just need to get a hold of ILM to "borrow" their Hulk render...eye of the tiger baby

 

[Smashlilman]

You can thank Peter David for that.
The classic Savage Hulk wasn't really shown with that uber-healing factor; instead, he had nigh-impenetrable hide.

And Wolverine was shown walking around as a skeleton.
The Hulk has never (thankfully) been shown doing anything that ridiculous.

Because as we all know you can't look cool walking around as a skeleton. t:

Fresh and deboneded just the way i like um...

 

[Oruku Saki]

I think this comes down to which character each of us likes the most. If we like black panther then we will rationalize that he can beat anybody else in the MU. Obviously Hulk and Thor are in the same league with their base strengths. Though, bringing this back to the "Movie" versions, I think that they will give Hulk the advantage because I don't think they are focusing on Thor's raw power in these movies. It seems they deal more with Thor through his hammer's powers. Also, if Thor and Hulk are basically the same strength then there is no reason to have both on the team from a story standpoint.