The Avengers Hulk Vs Thor - The Movie Edition

[Lantern Venom]

Well if they were outside and Thor had the hammer, i don't really see what Hulk could do to him. Thor was casually batting away energy blasts, puts his reactions at subsonic, which is ridiculously fast. Then he has some cosmic super lightning, can fly. And the one time he did hit Hulk with Mjolnir he took him off his feet and dazed him.

The thunderclap, toss objects weighing tons, split the ground, and roar loud enough to debilitate Thor's hearing.

I've always felt that Thor is Hulk's equal for only a short time, unless he's in a warrior madness state. The Hulk's stamnia, healing factor, and ability for his strength to increase make him more dangerous as a fight goes on.

That's how the movie fight felt to me. Thor's technique, speed, and Mjolnir was allowing him to hold his own, but it looked to me like Thor was tiring while Hulk was getting into a frenzy.

 

[The Morningstar]

I didn't see any evidence of Thor tiring.

And Thor is much faster, in terms of actual speed and his reactions. He flies at supersonic rates and his reactions have got to be around that speed too, considering he was casually deflecting energy blasts.

You know what they say, speed kills. How is Hulk gonna hit a guy who is fast enough to see, and react to energy blasts that originate from about 5 meters away? As long as Thor plays keep away i don't see how Hulk hits him.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I didn't see any evidence of Thor tiring.

And Thor is much faster, in terms of actual speed and his reactions. He flies at supersonic rates and his reactions have got to be around that speed too, considering he was casually deflecting energy blasts.

You know what they say, speed kills. How is Hulk gonna hit a guy who is fast enough to see, and react to energy blasts that originate from about 5 meters away? As long as Thor plays keep away i don't see how Hulk hits him.

When their fight was broken up, Thor wasn't brutalized, but he was a little slow getting up. Hulk was just getting more out of control.

Also, Thor was shown to still be suffering the lingering effects of Loki stabbing him, which means he doesn't heal as quickly as Hulk.

Unless Thor could suprise Hulk with a lightning strike and a barrage of Mjolnir shots early in the fight, I don't see him being able to do enough damage to Hulk to win.

 

[BigThor]

When their fight was broken up, Thor wasn't brutalized, but he was a little slow getting up. Hulk was just getting more out of control.

Also, Thor was shown to still be suffering the lingering effects of Loki stabbing him, which means he doesn't heal as quickly as Hulk.

Unless Thor could suprise Hulk with a lightning strike and a barrage of Mjolnir shots early in the fight, I don't see him being able to do enough damage to Hulk to win.

Hulk does heal ALOT faster than Thor, but Thor wasn't "slowly getting up" he actually got up pretty quickly.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea that's the thing. With Hulk, if you're gonna take him out, you gotta do it early before he gets angrier and angrier, therefore, stronger and stronger.

The longer a fight goes on the more advantage Hulk gets.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yea that's the thing. With Hulk, if you're gonna take him out, you gotta do it early before he gets angrier and angrier, therefore, stronger and stronger.

The longer a fight goes on the more advantage Hulk gets.

Most of the time, yes, but he seems to struggle somewhat against magical/energy-powered beings like Enchantress, Storm, or Dr. Strange, although the Green Scar's encounter with Strange was the exception.

 

[Fifthchild]

When did the shockwaves of Hulks punch shatter a nearby planet? I've never seen that. I know Drax and Thanos have traded blows that blew up planets before though

Last year in TIH 634. Ridiculous over the top stuff written with a clear "agenda" behind it but there you go. One qualifier is that it was a collision of Hulk with Red She-Hulk who had been magically boosted to his levels so technically not a solo feat. But to make it even more impressive massively powered up versions of Fin Fang Foom, BiBeast and Wendigo were simultaneously incinerated by the shockwaves.

 

[Fifthchild]

Actually Sentry himself was NEVER spanking Thor, I believe you're referring to his alter ego "Void" who also never spanked Thor.

It was very hard to tell who was the Void and who was The Sentry by that point in his story but they have always been the same guy and the set of abilities used semed to be all Sentry related ones during their fight.

Without watching the YouTube vid I have read Siege and i guess we will have to disagree about how the fight was going. To Thors credit though it was an out of control above top tier seemingly unkillable Sentry and not the everyday Mighty Avengers variety. Perhaps spanked was the wrong word but i disagree with the wki articles notion that Thor physically overpowered him.

 

[BigThor]

It was very hard to tell who was the Void and who was The Sentry by that point in his story but they have always been the same guy and the set of abilities used semed to be all Sentry related ones during their fight.

Without watching the YouTube vid I have read Siege and i guess we will have to disagree about how the fight was going. To Thors credit though it was an out of control above top tier seemingly unkillable Sentry and not the everyday Mighty Avengers variety. Perhaps spanked was the wrong word but i disagree with the wki articles notion that Thor physically overpowered him.

Agreed

Thor didn't physically overpower him, but it seemed pretty even until Bob asked Thor to finish him off.

Yea that's the thing. With Hulk, if you're gonna take him out, you gotta do it early before he gets angrier and angrier, therefore, stronger and stronger.

The longer a fight goes on the more advantage Hulk gets.

Yeah that's why Thor should pull out the big guns early, but he doesn't because he always turns into an "oaf" against Hulk.

 

[The Morningstar]

Thor and Hulk shouldn't really be on a fully blood lusted Senty/Voids levels. He's faster than both of them, can manipulate matter to the extent where he actually killed the friggin Molecule Man and can blow planets up with his energy projection.

If Void ever comes back i imagine he'd be a universe scale threat in a cosmic story or something. That's how he should be used.

 

[Xeno]

In the film Thor was just a shade under Hulk in sheer strength, if that, but with Mjolnir and his control of various forms of energy he was obviously far more powerful. When they fought on the Helicarrier, Thor was obviously holding back both because he didn't want to damage the ship and because he knew that Banner was not in control of himself. Even at that Hulk was not able to best Thor before the fight was interrupted.


Thor was shown to be just as tough as Hulk. Both of them fell to Earth from the same altitude and both emerged unscathed. In fact, one could argue that Thor came out of it better off than Hulk did since the latter somehow lost consciousness after he hit the ground, while the Asgardian did not. When it comes to overall power as well as strength, Thor was a lot more versatile and useful during the final battle. He took out two (or was it three?) Leviathans singlehandedly with his lightning, as well as scores of Chitauri soldiers. That's the benefit of having powers that aren't solely dependent upon physical contact of some sort to be effective.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Thor and Hulk shouldn't really be on a fully blood lusted Senty/Voids levels. He's faster than both of them, can manipulate matter to the extent where he actually killed the friggin Molecule Man and can blow planets up with his energy projection.

If Void ever comes back i imagine he'd be a universe scale threat in a cosmic story or something. That's how he should be used.

You know what? **** all the fans complaining. Sentry/Void was awesome

 

[The Morningstar]

I think the concept was awesome. There was a lot of potential with that character. But it was rarely met.

The idea of an average joe being given the powers of a God and the effects that would have on their psyche is an interesting one.

 

[Incredible Hans]

Just one point...

Hulk never lifted a mountain range.

He supported a small fraction of it which was directly above the heroes.

 

[Golgo-13]

Hulk only slammed Thor once and threw him into some boxes, Thor was up on his feet in the next shot so I'm sure he okay.

There were points in the fight where Thor was clearly winning as well, so that was more of an "at the moment" kinda thing.

Wrong. That's the beginning of the fight. The part i'm talking about is seen from the point of view of the pilot, when he's about to fire on Hulk. Hulk is slamming the hell out of Thor in the background.

 

[jadejaws]

When they fought on the Helicarrier, Thor was obviously holding back both because he didn't want to damage the ship and because he knew that Banner was not in control of himself. Even at that Hulk was not able to best Thor before the fight was interrupted.

Hmm...I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. You can't really sell me on the fact that Thor was holding back with that upper cut. His whole body turned during the shot which would indicate FULL effort. Hulk was throwing Thor around the Hellicarrier pretty good before it got broken up. We'll never really know what would have happened if not for the stoppage.

Thor was shown to be just as tough as Hulk. Both of them fell to Earth from the same altitude and both emerged unscathed. In fact, one could argue that Thor came out of it better off than Hulk did since the latter somehow lost consciousness after he hit the ground, while the Asgardian did not. When it comes to overall power as well as strength, Thor was a lot more versatile and useful during the final battle. He took out two (or was it three?) Leviathans singlehandedly with his lightning, as well as scores of Chitauri soldiers. That's the benefit of having powers that aren't solely dependent upon physical contact of some sort to be effective.

I can agree with some of this. Thor definitely had his place on the team and I enjoyed watching him. My question is whether or not Thor actually destroyed those Leviathans. I've made mention before that they show a Leviathan during a latter scene that has electric current running through it. I only saw this after Thor lit them up. Did they all have this and I just didn't catch it?

We don't really know if Hulk got up after the fall to earth because it isn't shown. The security guard just says that he saw him (Hulk) crash into the building. For all we know Hulk could have gotten up, saw that the action was gone, and took a nap.

 

[Herolee10]

I can agree with some of this. Thor definitely had his place on the team and I enjoyed watching him. My question is whether or not Thor actually destroyed those Leviathans. I've made mention before that they show a Leviathan during a latter scene that has electric current running through it. I only saw this after Thor lit them up. Did they all have this and I just didn't catch it?

We don't really know if Hulk got up after the fall to earth because it isn't shown. The security guard just says that he saw him (Hulk) crash into the building. For all we know Hulk could have gotten up, saw that the action was gone, and took a nap.

I think Thor did destroy those creatures with his lightning strikes, and this is coming after 3 screenings of the film in theaters.lol

Also, as for the Hulk's fall, it was stated by the security guard that discovered Banner, that he had seen the Hulk crash into the ground from the rooftop.

 

[jadejaws]

I think Thor did destroy those creatures with his lightning strikes, and this is coming after 3 screenings of the film in theaters.lol

Also, as for the Hulk's fall, it was stated by the security guard that discovered Banner, that he had seen the Hulk crash into the ground from the rooftop.

I saw the film 3 times in the theater as well. They never actually show the full end result of Thor's attack from the Chrysler Building. The creatures are rocked for sure, but you can't see if they're fully destroyed or just damaged. Again, later on you see one of the leviathan's roaming around with electric current going through it. Since none of that others had this feature then one could assume that it survived Thor's strike.

 

[Herolee10]

I saw the film 3 times in the theater as well. They never actually show the full end result of Thor's attack from the Chrysler Building. The creatures are rocked for sure, but you can't see if they're fully destroyed or just damaged. Again, later on you see one of the leviathan's roaming around with electric current going through it. Since none of that others had this feature then one could assume that it survived Thor's strike.

I just assumed that the electric current thing was one of their features, plus when we see Thor "lighting" them up, we see explosions taking place on their body, and I don't remember seeing any that looked badly damaged while roaming around the neighborhood.lol

 

[jadejaws]

I just assumed that the electric current thing was one of their features, plus when we see Thor "lighting" them up, we see explosions taking place on their body, and I don't remember seeing any that looked badly damaged while roaming around the neighborhood.lol

I guess, but it doesn't make a lot of sense that one would have this feature and the others wouldn't. lol.

 

[Fifthchild]

Just one point...

Hulk never lifted a mountain range.

He supported a small fraction of it which was directly above the heroes.

In the original he was described as not lifting but "bracing" it but it was never said that it was a "small fraction" either.

However the retelling from a few years back shows a few differences. Firstly its not described as a mountain range but as a mountain but secondly its made pretty clear that Hulk actually catches the mountain as its dropped on the heroes. Whether this counts as a proper retcon, an alternate take on the same incident or something else is not particularly clear however.

 

[Fifthchild]

In the film Thor was just a shade under Hulk in sheer strength, if that, but with Mjolnir and his control of various forms of energy he was obviously far more powerful.

The way i saw it Hulk was quite a bit stronger but i'm sure there are going to be a lot of different takes on that and nobody is going to shift much from their own.

When they fought on the Helicarrier, Thor was obviously holding back both because he didn't want to damage the ship and because he knew that Banner was not in control of himself. Even at that Hulk was not able to best Thor before the fight was interrupted.

Again i dont think Thor was holding back in particular, especially not after Hulk clocked him after they grapple for a bit. I think Thor was trying to either subdue/beat Hulk in hand-2-hand and/or talk him down but after that first exchange and Hulk ignoring Thors words its pretty much an all in brawl. Thor's smile and his bringing Mjolnir into the fight are what sell that IMO.

Thor was shown to be just as tough as Hulk. Both of them fell to Earth from the same altitude and both emerged unscathed. In fact, one could argue that Thor came out of it better off than Hulk did since the latter somehow lost consciousness after he hit the ground, while the Asgardian did not.

I think its pretty typical for Hulk to "go to sleep" and wake up as Banner before a transformation. It happens in TIH and seemingly in Hulk 2003 as well. That said its not made crystal clear exactly what shape either is in after their landing.

When it comes to overall power as well as strength, Thor was a lot more versatile and useful during the final battle. He took out two (or was it three?) Leviathans singlehandedly with his lightning, as well as scores of Chitauri soldiers. That's the benefit of having powers that aren't solely dependent upon physical contact of some sort to be effective.

I think theres no doubt that in terms of area of effect Thors lightning allows him to take down a larger number of foes over a larger area. However in terms of focussed power/devastation i'm of the opinion that Hulk's first Leviathan punch is up there with anything else.

 

[BigThor]

Wrong. That's the beginning of the fight. The part i'm talking about is seen from the point of view of the pilot, when he's about to fire on Hulk. Hulk is slamming the hell out of Thor in the background.

Nope I've seen the film three times, as a matter of fact here's the exact play by play...

- Thor tackled Hulk through the wall

- Thor dodged Hulk's punch and punched him in the face

- Thor caught Hulk's arm

- Hulk punched Thor through several walls

- *continued scene* Thor recovered and uppercuted him with Mjolnir

- Hulk throw a jet wing and Thor dodged it and threw Mjolnir at him

- Hulk caught Mjolnir, went flying, then failed to lift it

- Thor kneed him in the face and picked up Mjolnir

- Thor jumped on Hulk's back causing him to leap 3 stories

- Both of the landed on the ground and Hulk grabbed Thor's face

- *continued scene* Hulk lifted Thor into the air, slammed him once, and threw him into some boxes

The End

Again i dont think Thor was holding back in particular, especially not after Hulk clocked him after they grapple for a bit. I think Thor was trying to either subdue/beat Hulk in hand-2-hand and/or talk him down but after that first exchange and Hulk ignoring Thors words its pretty much an all in brawl. Thor's smile and his bringing Mjolnir into the fight are what sell that IMO.

No one's saying Thor held back physically, we're saying he held back by not using any of his weather control powers.

Thor was obviously forced to hold back to some extent due to the fact that they were fighting in a populated air craft.

 

[jaqua99]

Wrong. That's the beginning of the fight. The part i'm talking about is seen from the point of view of the pilot, when he's about to fire on Hulk. Hulk is slamming the hell out of Thor in the background.

Wrong, read my next post for a full analysis on the fight. Hulk slammed thor twice by the way.

when you look at it in perspective, Thor was in control of most of the fight, meaning, it went his way.

 

[jaqua99]

I saw the film 3 times in the theater as well. They never actually show the full end result of Thor's attack from the Chrysler Building. The creatures are rocked for sure, but you can't see if they're fully destroyed or just damaged. Again, later on you see one of the leviathan's roaming around with electric current going through it. Since none of that others had this feature then one could assume that it survived Thor's strike.

No dude, you see BOTH of the Leviathan creatures, explode. Like, they didn't get hurt, they exploded, as if a bomb was inside them. trust me, ive seen the movie 4 times, and watched it online, this scene, another 20