The Avengers Hulk Vs Thor - The Movie Edition

[jaqua99]

The only time Hulk was put down by Thor was when they initially went through the wall, they were both down at that point and both of them took a moment to get up, but if that counts as a take down then so does the two of them crashing through the floor levels - especially since Hulk initiated the maneuver.

When Thor throws the hammer at Hulk, he isn't hit, the hammer just drags him back, there was no impact. I will give you the hammer to the face strike though.

Thor was roughed up when Hulk took him out of his game, and had him so dis-orientated he had no opportunity to launch a counter attack. 1) when they crashed through the floor - Thor was still lying on his back showing no sign of getting up when Hulk grabbed him, 2) Hulk picking Thor up and slamming him and then 3) picking him up yet again, and tossing him through boxes.

Thor had no opportunity to launch any form of offensive during that sequence of the fight. I dunno about you, but if my opponent picks me and slams me a few times, back to back, and i'm either too dis-orientated, hurt, or the like, to launch any kind of counter-attack, or even defend myself..i'm being roughed up, as i am at the pure mercy of my opponents offensive.

Ok. But You aren't Thor. Thor can most likely take TWO throws by Hulk. Which are weaker than Hulk's punches. There is no way two throws, oh, and jumping up 3 or 4 levels is enough to rough up Thor. Using that logic, He woulda be roughed up in the ironman fight. He threw thor away. And it showed him laying on his back. Hulk was a good 25 feet away from him, if someone is in a fight, and they get put down, you are gunna look to see what your opponent is, and what his next move is gunna be. Thor was on the ground for a second before Hulk got shot, thus taking away his attention.

BAsed on what we have seen Thor be able to take. There is nothing that suggests that Thor was in any danger of getting seriously hurt or beat down. At that point would Hulk have had an scenario advantage? Yes, absolutely. But there is nothing that would lead anyone to believe that Thor was in danger of getting seriously hurt.

 

[jaqua99]

Your points are moot. Huk bigger, Thor needing a few seconds, Thor just trying to distract Hulk, etc. We're trying to determine who won the fight. Hulk won the fight. Thor was getting roughed up. It was right there on screen.



Thank You. I'm not knocking Thor. I like Thor. I'm simply stating what was on screen. Hulk won.

Thank you? That guy said there was no clear winner. Thor's advantages were his fighting skill. Hulk's were strength, and his size advantage. The whole size thing of throwing thor. How is that a moot point? How? Its an advantage he has. Just because someone is big enough to pick someone up in one hand, doesn't mean the smaller is suddenly in danger of getting hurt. Hulk at this point had an advantage. Thor had the advantage most of the fight prior.

We aren't arguing that Thor won. We are simply stating what was on screen. The fight was even. Thor had control most of the fight. Hulk gets them upstairs, then throws thor twice, and since he is able to complete get his hands on him. He wins?

I don't know if you are being serious or not, but, whatever lol.

The fight was even, that was the point.

 

[Golgo-13]

Ok. But You aren't Thor. Thor can most likely take TWO throws by Hulk. Which are weaker than Hulk's punches. There is no way two throws, oh, and jumping up 3 or 4 levels is enough to rough up Thor. Using that logic, He woulda be roughed up in the ironman fight. He threw thor away. And it showed him laying on his back. Hulk was a good 25 feet away from him, if someone is in a fight, and they get put down, you are gunna look to see what your opponent is, and what his next move is gunna be. Thor was on the ground for a second before Hulk got shot, thus taking away his attention.

BAsed on what we have seen Thor be able to take. There is nothing that suggests that Thor was in any danger of getting seriously hurt or beat down. At that point would Hulk have had an scenario advantage? Yes, absolutely. But there is nothing that would lead anyone to believe that Thor was in danger of getting seriously hurt.

When they went through te floors, at the point Thor was NOT getting roughed up, as up to that point, Thor had Hulk in a choke hold with his hammer. It was AFTER that point, when Thor is lying on the ground, showing no sign of getting back up and is then picked up by Hulk twice and not offering any kinda offensive attack of his own, is the point where Thor is getting roughed up...... considerably. If i'm in a fight, and my opponent is constantly picking me up and doing as he chooses with me, and i'm not defnding myself, trying to escape or launch my own counter-attack..i'm being roughed up, as i'm totally at his mercy whether it be because he's too fast, too powerful, or i'm just to dis-orientated to react fast enough.

And i stand by my previous statement about there possible being more fight off screen (i'm going off memory -please correct me if i'm wrong) but the agent/Hill/Fury/Pilot conversation talking about Hulk and Thor wrecking the level they were currently on lasted a good 5-7 seconds. At the point they landed on that level, Hulk picked up Thor, when we see Thor and Hulk again, Hulk is slamming Thor like a rag doll to the floor, which is soppose to take place right after Hulk picked up Thor, and we cut to Hill and Fury but the convo between them took 5-7 seconds. So, common sense would tell us that during the 5-7 cut away of the fight, the slam we saw from the pilots point of view was just the tail end of many more that happened during the 5-7 second cut away..which makes my Thor being 'roughed up theory' even stronger.

 

[BigThor]

Your points are moot. Huk bigger, Thor needing a few seconds, Thor just trying to distract Hulk, etc. We're trying to determine who won the fight. Hulk won the fight. Thor was getting roughed up. It was right there on screen.

Lol it's not a moot point at all, it's been proven that size is indeed a huge factor in a fight especially when one guy is 6 ft and the other is 8.5 ft.

No one "won" the fight, you saying Hulk "won" the fight let's me know that you have no idea what "winning a fight" entails.

Thor landed more blows, blocks, counters etc. and the only thing that overrides those in a fight is a "K.O." which did not happen.

Why is this being compared to an MMA fight? There aren't any referees, there certainly aren't any rules, and the fight isn't determined by who scores more points. It should be compared to a bar fight where the entire fight means absolUTELY..... zilch. It's the ending that counts. If one guy is getting his @$$ beat the entire fight, but gets a beer bottle and knocks the other guy out with it, guess who won the fight? It's certainly not the one who's now dribbling into the floor.

I don't see why it's so hard for Thor fans to accept that Hulk had the upperhand at the end of the fight, just as Thor had the upperhand at the beginning of the fight. Who knows maybe Thor could have turned the fight, found himself a beer bottle so to speak.

Then the excuses, "Hulk is bigger so it's easy for him to grab and throw someone of Thors size and stature around." (Just one example I recently saw) Well then, "Thor has better fighting skills, so it's easy for him to dodge the Hulks attacks and counterattack." You'd think Hulks size plays as an adavantage to him just as Thors fighting skills are to him.

I'm getting a little frustrated looking at this thread. Yes, Thor didn't use all his powers, but this isn't a what-if, what happened on screen was that Hulk had the upperhand towards the end when the fight got intterupted. No, there wasn't a clear winner, which is probably how it should be, but jeez, this whole adding ones own rules to make our favorite character look better is just annoying, and this goes for the Hulk too, it's just I'm seeing it more with Thor in this thread. Thank you for your time.

Lol I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread agrees that Hulk had the upperhand in the end.

If this thread is annoying you so much nothing's stopping you from avoiding it, I'm sure we'll find a way to "maintain" without you.

 

[Bren]

Haha, both still standing when the fight was interrupted but Golgo says Hulk won - Good stuff

 

[BigThor]

That's what I'm saying, both of them had moments where they had the upperhand and both were still in fighting shape at the end.

 

[Bren]

I just wish Thor had taken the fight 'outside'....

Of course, a Hulk fanboy/girl would yell "he COULDN'T"!!!.... And then as a Thor fanboy, I would have shouted "HE COULD'VE"!!!

And we'd have another 20 pages

 

[BigThor]

I just wish Thor had taken the fight 'outside'....

Of course, a Hulk fanboy/girl would yell "he COULDN'T"!!!.... And then as a Thor fanboy, I would have shouted "HE COULD'VE"!!!

And we'd have another 20 pages

Well he did tackle him throw a steel wall so it's possible that Thor could've tackled him through the helicarrier window.

How awesome would that be, Thor and Hulk fighting in the air then smashing into the ground leaving a huge crater.

 

[jaqua99]

When they went through te floors, at the point Thor was NOT getting roughed up, as up to that point, Thor had Hulk in a choke hold with his hammer. It was AFTER that point, when Thor is lying on the ground, showing no sign of getting back up and is then picked up by Hulk twice and not offering any kinda offensive attack of his own, is the point where Thor is getting roughed up...... considerably. If i'm in a fight, and my opponent is constantly picking me up and doing as he chooses with me, and i'm not defnding myself, trying to escape or launch my own counter-attack..i'm being roughed up, as i'm totally at his mercy whether it be because he's too fast, too powerful, or i'm just to dis-orientated to react fast enough.

And i stand by my previous statement about there possible being more fight off screen (i'm going off memory -please correct me if i'm wrong) but the agent/Hill/Fury/Pilot conversation talking about Hulk and Thor wrecking the level they were currently on lasted a good 5-7 seconds. At the point they landed on that level, Hulk picked up Thor, when we see Thor and Hulk again, Hulk is slamming Thor like a rag doll to the floor, which is soppose to take place right after Hulk picked up Thor, and we cut to Hill and Fury but the convo between them took 5-7 seconds. So, common sense would tell us that during the 5-7 cut away of the fight, the slam we saw from the pilots point of view was just the tail end of many more that happened during the 5-7 second cut away..which makes my Thor being 'roughed up theory' even stronger.

There is a couple things wrong with this. The fight is on my phone, I am watching it as I type. You said that thor was not getting roughed up after they went up the levels? Then thor is on the ground roughed up? You are mixing some things up, OK, since you said you are going off memory.

Hulk jumps them up. They both land, the NEXT scene is Thor laying on his back looking up, Hulks hand is then seen picking him up, in which the scene changes. The next time we see them, it looks to continue DIRECTLY from there. Hulk then two hand slams Thor to the ground. Then picks him up, and throws him through some boxes. Thor is looking at hulk. Hulking at him. A few seconds later, Hulk gets shot at, and turns around, then apparently a "roughed up" thor, suddenly gets the energy to run, and dive out of the way. I regress, Hulk threw Thor twice. He is not roughed up from that. I'll say it again, the most damage Hulk did to Thor was Hulk punching him.
Hulk is much bigger than him, if someone is big enough to pick you up in one hand, and they pick you up, ya, you have no defense if you fight in the god damn guys hand lol. So he picks him up, and throws him. But cause he is physically overpowered at that point, doesn't necessarily mean he was hurt. Thats what no one seems to get. Cause Hulk threw him around twice, it must mean he was winning and was roughing him up. He had the size advantage, and in that scenario, it helped him, that doesn't mean he was hurt.

Neither really roughed up the other that much.

And in terms of fighting off screen, I edited them all together, each scene fits together perfectly.

Nothing really happened at the end there. They landed, Hulk picked up thor, threw him to the ground, then picked him up again, directly after throwing him to the ground, and then tosses him into some boxes, tosses. It was an underhand toss into boxes. Not a hard throw by hulk either.

 

[Golgo-13]

There is a couple things wrong with this. The fight is on my phone, I am watching it as I type. You said that thor was not getting roughed up after they went up the levels? Then thor is on the ground roughed up? You are mixing some things up, OK, since you said you are going off memory.

Hulk jumps them up. They both land, the NEXT scene is Thor laying on his back looking up, Hulks hand is then seen picking him up, in which the scene changes. The next time we see them, it looks to continue DIRECTLY from there. Hulk then two hand slams Thor to the ground. Then picks him up, and throws him through some boxes. Thor is looking at hulk. Hulking at him. A few seconds later, Hulk gets shot at, and turns around, then apparently a "roughed up" thor, suddenly gets the energy to run, and dive out of the way. I regress, Hulk threw Thor twice. He is not roughed up from that. I'll say it again, the most damage Hulk did to Thor was Hulk punching him.
Hulk is much bigger than him, if someone is big enough to pick you up in one hand, and they pick you up, ya, you have no defense if you fight in the god damn guys hand lol. So he picks him up, and throws him. But cause he is physically overpowered at that point, doesn't necessarily mean he was hurt. Thats what no one seems to get. Cause Hulk threw him around twice, it must mean he was winning and was roughing him up. He had the size advantage, and in that scenario, it helped him, that doesn't mean he was hurt.

Neither really roughed up the other that much.

And in terms of fighting off screen, I edited them all together, each scene fits together perfectly.

Nothing really happened at the end there. They landed, Hulk picked up thor, threw him to the ground, then picked him up again, directly after throwing him to the ground, and then tosses him into some boxes, tosses. It was an underhand toss into boxes. Not a hard throw by hulk either.

I'm too lazy to type a rebuttal to the entire post (maybe later) but the part where i've bolded:

the issue with that is, as i've stated, when it's reported that Hulk and Thor are tearing up the level, that's the current level they just landed on, so the report came to Hill after they crashed through the floors and about the same time Hulk grabs Thor before the scene cuts to Hill and co on the Helicarrier deck. The time it took Hill to get that report, tell Fury, have Fury issue the order to distract Hulk, and Hill to convey that to the pilot was about 5-7 seconds. So by your logic, Hulk picked Thor up (right before the cut away), held him in his hands for the 5-7 second Hill/Fury scene, then the pilot instantaneously gets to that level to show Hulk slamming Thor right after he picked him up before the cut away? That makes no sense whatsoever. Something had to have happened during that 5-7 cut away, and since Thor was still at Hulk's mercy when they do show us Hulk and Thor again, it's common sense to assume that the slam we saw on screen when the pilot showed up, was just one of many that wasn't shown.

Now one could argue that the Hill/Fury scene was happening simultaneous to the fight, but at the point when Hill receives the report from the other agent, i believe the agent tells her the exactly level they are currently on, which is the level they crash landed onto, after going through all the floors, in order to tell the pilot exactly where to go.

 

[BigThor]

I'm too lazy to type a rebuttal to the entire post (maybe later) but the part where i've bolded:

the issue with that is, as i've stated, when it's reported that Hulk and Thor are tearing up the level, that's the current level they just landed on, so the report came to Hill after they crashed through the floors and about the same time Hulk grabs Thor before the scene cuts to Hill and co on the Helicarrier deck. The time it took Hill to get that report, tell Fury, have Fury issue the order to distract Hulk, and Hill to convey that to the pilot was about 5-7 seconds. So by your logic, Hulk picked Thor up (right before the cut away), held him in his hands for the 5-7 second Hill/Fury scene, then the pilot instantaneously gets to that level to show Hulk slamming Thor right after he picked him up before the cut away? That makes no sense whatsoever. Something had to have happened during that 5-7 cut away, and since Thor was still at Hulk's mercy when they do show us Hulk and Thor again, it's common sense to assume that the slam we saw on screen when the pilot showed up, was just one of many that wasn't shown.

Now one could argue that the Hill/Fury scene was happening simultaneous to the fight, but at the point when Hill receives the report from the other agent, i believe the agent tells her the exactly level they are currently on, which is the level they crash landed onto, after going through all the floors, in order to tell the pilot exactly where to go.

Good point, but I think that's just a minor movie "goof" because I doubt Thor was just sitting there getting slammed for 7 secs.

Hulk holding Thor flows perfectly with the previous scene where he first picked him up, so until proven otherwise I'm gonna say it's a goof.

 

[jaqua99]

I'm too lazy to type a rebuttal to the entire post (maybe later) but the part where i've bolded:

the issue with that is, as i've stated, when it's reported that Hulk and Thor are tearing up the level, that's the current level they just landed on, so the report came to Hill after they crashed through the floors and about the same time Hulk grabs Thor before the scene cuts to Hill and co on the Helicarrier deck. The time it took Hill to get that report, tell Fury, have Fury issue the order to distract Hulk, and Hill to convey that to the pilot was about 5-7 seconds. So by your logic, Hulk picked Thor up (right before the cut away), held him in his hands for the 5-7 second Hill/Fury scene, then the pilot instantaneously gets to that level to show Hulk slamming Thor right after he picked him up before the cut away? That makes no sense whatsoever. Something had to have happened during that 5-7 cut away, and since Thor was still at Hulk's mercy when they do show us Hulk and Thor again, it's common sense to assume that the slam we saw on screen when the pilot showed up, was just one of many that wasn't shown.

Now one could argue that the Hill/Fury scene was happening simultaneous to the fight, but at the point when Hill receives the report from the other agent, i believe the agent tells her the exactly level they are currently on, which is the level they crash landed onto, after going through all the floors, in order to tell the pilot exactly where to go.

the 5 to 7 seconds also. See at first I thought there was fighting in between. But I think differently, because each scene did this. Stark, and Cap, Hulk and Thor. Meaning, I don't think it was all in sequential time. To me it seemed like that 5 to 7 second scene happened while Hulk and thor were fighting, while Hulk picked up thor, threw him, then threw him again. Then, the showed what happened while she said that. Now the reason I think this is because look at the scene when hulk punched thor. Thor goes flying threw wall or whatever, END SCENE, then we see another scene thats like...40 seconds, then 40 seconds later after that scene, we see thor go through, what looks like the same boxes, just from a seperate angle. What are the chances that during their time off screen, that they fought some more, only to have thor be thrown through the same exact spot again? Exactly, it was that scene that made me think there really wasn't any fighting off screen. And we saw all the fighting. I feel everything in that whole scene was like a collage, not everything happened in order. Each scene was cut into different pieces to show what was going on.

Everything we saw during the hulk and thor fight, and the relating scenes around it, all happened at the same time in my opinion.

And it seems pretty clear thats what happened to me

 

[jaqua99]

Good point, but I think that's just a minor movie "goof" because I doubt Thor was just sitting there getting slammed for 7 secs.

Hulk holding Thor flows perfectly with the previous scene where he first picked him up, so until proven otherwise I'm gonna say it's a goof.

Agreed, also, please read my post I pjust made before this, regarding the punching scene, to me, that is proof that we see the entire fight.

The scene where hulk punches thor, thor goes flying through some wall or crates, the scene then goes to cap and tony for like..45 seconds I believe. Then, we get back to the hulk and thor fight, it shows thor flying through the same crates, only from an above angle. However, there was 45 seconds in between. What are the chances that thor retaliated during those 45 seconds, only to get into a scenario that will end in the SAME EXACT results? Close to none. Thor gets punched through the wall. , then it shows him going through the wall, to me, everything happening from the hulk and thor fight, to the end of it, EVERYTHING going on there is happening at the same exact time, meaning, what did not happen, was when stark and cap are outside, that happened right after hulk punched thor, then after cap gets near the red lever, thor goes through the crates again. instead of those happening chronologically, they happened at the same time, they just cut the scenes to show everything that was happening. That was my take of it. Regarding the Hulk and Thor, we saw the entire fight.


I wanna see Thor fight Hulk like he fought the frost giants. That battle to me was the most powerful display of power, and I would be inclined to believe that him fighting like that would actually put MCU Hulk down. Idk if we will see thor demonstrate that type of power though again.

The one punch kill was impressive for hulk though, however I need clarification. Hulk punched the dragon thing, made its armor crack and what not, and stark shot it with missiles, blowing it up. So, if I am correct, was it actually stark who killed it? And Not Hulk?

 

[Herolee10]

And here I had thought that there wouldn't be any more arguments regarding Thor vs Hulk after the film was released...I was wrong.lol

 

[Tony Stark]

Yeah I'm not sure why people are still arguing over this because the Thor vs, Hulk fight was rather disappointing because they kept cutting away. There was only one good scene in it where Thor owns him after calling Mjolnir. Hulk gets him back at the end with the sucker punch.

The best fight in the movie was Thor vs. Iron Man by far.

 

[BigThor]

Yeah I'm not sure why people are still arguing over this because the Thor vs, Hulk fight was rather disappointing because they kept cutting away. There was only one good scene in it where Thor owns him after calling Mjolnir. Hulk gets him back at the end with the sucker punch.

The best fight in the movie was Thor vs. Iron Man by far.

Most people see the fight as a draw but there are a handful with the "last hit" mentality that think Hulk "won".

Thor vs Iron Man was definately the best fight in the entire movie and it's not even close.

I wanna see Thor fight Hulk like he fought the frost giants. That battle to me was the most powerful display of power, and I would be inclined to believe that him fighting like that would actually put MCU Hulk down. Idk if we will see thor demonstrate that type of power though again.

The one punch kill was impressive for hulk though, however I need clarification. Hulk punched the dragon thing, made its armor crack and what not, and stark shot it with missiles, blowing it up. So, if I am correct, was it actually stark who killed it? And Not Hulk?

Thor fighting Hulk like he fought the frost giants wouldn't go well with his newfound "maturity" after the first film.

Yeah Hulk's punch stopped the leviathan and injured it but I think Iron Man's missiles are what finished it off.

 

[BigThor]

Double post

 

[jadejaws]

The one punch kill was impressive for hulk though, however I need clarification. Hulk punched the dragon thing, made its armor crack and what not, and stark shot it with missiles, blowing it up. So, if I am correct, was it actually stark who killed it? And Not Hulk?

Although I can't prove this, I feel pretty confident saying that the leviathan wasn't going to get back up after Hulk's punch regardless of Iron Man's assist. The thing doubled over and was already flipping on it's back. Again, we could argue on about whether it would have been fully dead while on it's back, but I guess I saw Iron Man shooting it as "over kill" or a "just in case".

 

[jaqua99]

Although I can't prove this, I feel pretty confident saying that the leviathan wasn't going to get back up after Hulk's punch regardless of Iron Man's assist. The thing doubled over and was already flipping on it's back. Again, we could argue on about whether it would have been fully dead while on it's back, but I guess I saw Iron Man shooting it as "over kill" or a "just in case".

The part when it was tipping over on its back, after the armor was breaking, when you could see its skin around its neck sort of, pushing together, that was disgusting to me. I was grossed out by that haha. Just this big hunky of meaty worm compressed together.

 

[weezerspider]

Yeah I'm not sure why people are still arguing over this because the Thor vs, Hulk fight was rather disappointing because they kept cutting away. There was only one good scene in it where Thor owns him after calling Mjolnir. Hulk gets him back at the end with the sucker punch.

The best fight in the movie was Thor vs. Iron Man by far.

This is my least favorite fight actually.

 

[Tony Stark]

The part when it was tipping over on its back, after the armor was breaking, when you could see its skin around its neck sort of, pushing together, that was disgusting to me. I was grossed out by that haha. Just this big hunky of meaty worm compressed together.

I was kinda disgusted by the meaty chunks of worm that were spraying over the streets of New York. Did the Avengers check where that Shawarma meat came from?

 

[jaqua99]

I was kinda disgusted by the meaty chunks of worm that were spraying over the streets of New York. Did the Avengers check where that Shawarma meat came from?

Oh god!!!!

 

[BigThor]

This is my least favorite fight actually.

What the hell?

I don't see how it could be anyone's least favorite, it had the biggest scale, most blows thrown, and there was no cut-aways.

 

[JAK®]

It's my least favourite too. It was dark and reminiscent of lackluster final fights from lesser comic book movies.

 

[BigThor]

It's my least favourite too. It was dark and reminiscent of lackluster final fights from lesser comic book movies.

Nevermind it being dark, it's sheer scale, length, and amount of blows traded put's it far above those fights.