Infinity War Hulkamania running wild! The HULK thread

[Mjölnir]

But thats my point. For Hulk always some excuses. He never won. He never won Fenris, Thor in first Avenger movie, in Ragnarok...

And ok but fact is that this is not rule fights (boxing, ufc) this is all dirty fight and by this Hulk to me won in Ragnarok. Also, Hulkbuster won in Avengers 2 but you all hypocritical because you do not talking about how Hulk cam down when he see people (Hulkbuster vs Hulk) but you talking about Obedience Disk and Grandmaster.

This is same. For you Hulkbuster won but Hulk no won vs Thor in Ragnarok. How so? It's same fight with cheat shots. Think about it. Before Hulk KO in Avengers 2, he has endured hundreds of blows by Hulkbuster, laser beam, building and then he KO by one little punch. No logic. Well, if you're analyzing then you see how Hulk calming down when see people.

And you never speak about that. I'm sure if anyone asks you who won Hulkbuster or Hulk that your answer is Hulkbuster but when talking about Thor vs Hulk, then for Thor (Thor is Hulk in this case from Hulkbuster Hulk) then you always mention Grandmaster and Obedience Disc (equivalent Hulk si calming down).

At least be consistent. So, to me Hulkbuster won. Yes, it's cheap KO because HBulk calming down. Also, Hulk won vs Thor, specially vs regular Thor then with help of Grandmaster he KO Thor. So, Hulk won.

Even if you do not acept this, you can not talk how Thor is cleary won. How that? Hulk standing and then Grandmaster...


Well, Hulk is fun to watch in Ragnarok (i love movie and Thor. Really something special). But honestly it's not great. To me Hulk in first Avenger is great. I want i see something like Hulk vs Leviathan. That one punch it's crazy.

And we do't see antyhing like this. Imagine that Thor get punch like this? I mean, Hulk punches Thor but it's cleary that power of this pucnhes it's not the same like punch versus Leviathan.

There's almost always a non-finish or a mitigating factor when it comes to hero vs hero fights. Thor didn't beat Iron Man before they got interrupted, Hulk was calming down when he got KO'ed by the Hulkbuster, etc.

If you want to call it a win then you have to say that The Grandmaster and Hulk beat Thor. Hulk couldn't beat him alone and was getting beaten up before the Grandmaster stepped in.

I've always said that Hulk was calming down in AoU since the film came out, which likely helped him getting knocked out, and now you accuse me of being hypocritical and never having said that? That's both disrespectful and ignorant on your part.

I haven't said that Thor won in Ragnarok either, I've said that he was clearly winning when the fight was interrupted by the Grandmaster.

So I'm perfectly consistent. You on the other hand are being inconsistent in both complaining about people calling the Hulkbuster a win and at the same time accepting that logic. Pick one stance and go with it.

Well, Hulk is fun to watch in Ragnarok (i love movie and Thor. Really something special). But honestly it's not great. To me Hulk in first Avenger is great. I want i see something like Hulk vs Leviathan. That one punch it's crazy.

And we do't see antyhing like this. Imagine that Thor get punch like this? I mean, Hulk punches Thor but it's cleary that power of this pucnhes it's not the same like punch versus Leviathan.

Hulk is great in Ragnarok. There's so much character to him there and he's certainly incredibly strong.

He's hit Thor and other things just as hard. It's not Hulk's punch that does the most damage to the Leviathan, it's the Leviathan's weight and momentum that crushes itself against Hulk's fist when he's holding ground. It's holding his ground that's the real strength feat there, not the punch.

 

[Monalis]

There's almost always a non-finish or a mitigating factor when it comes to hero vs hero fights. Thor didn't beat Iron Man before they got interrupted, Hulk was calming down when he got KO'ed by the Hulkbuster, etc.

If you want to call it a win then you have to say that The Grandmaster and Hulk beat Thor. Hulk couldn't beat him alone and was getting beaten up before the Grandmaster stepped in.

I've always said that Hulk was calming down in AoU since the film came out, which likely helped him getting knocked out, and now you accuse me of being hypocritical and never having said that? That's both disrespectful and ignorant on your part.

I haven't said that Thor won in Ragnarok either, I've said that he was clearly winning when the fight was interrupted by the Grandmaster.

So I'm perfectly consistent. You on the other hand are being inconsistent in both complaining about people calling the Hulkbuster a win and at the same time accepting that logic. Pick one stance and go with it.

Well, i don't agree but ok. But problem is when people talking that Thor won because he did not win. We do not see it. It's subjective. And people after Ragnarok always speak about how Thor won fight. Thor has uper hand but he not won. We don't see it and if Grandmaster don't show up and again we do not know who would win. So, when people talking how Thor won, i really don't understand why. Because there is no evidence. I mean, it's more evidence that Hulk won then Thor.

This is all personal subjective opinion.

Hulk is great in Ragnarok. There's so much character to him there and he's certainly incredibly strong.

He's hit Thor and other things just as hard. It's not Hulk's punch that does the most damage to the Leviathan, it's the Leviathan's weight and momentum that crushes itself against Hulk's fist when he's holding ground. It's holding his ground that's the real strength feat there, not the punch.

And this is what i'm talking about. Always excuses for Hulk. Pure bias.

Hulk cleary not hit hard Thor like Leviathan. I mean, are you serious.

The largest real life animal, the Blue Whale, is 30 meters long and weighs around 150 short tons. Being 2x that length, the Leviathan should be 8x heavier. About 1200 tons. Now for speed and travel distance. The time between the Leviathan going to ground level and Hulk punching it in the face is about 20 seconds. The average Manhattan city block is 80 x 274 meters. Assuming the longer distance gives us a travel speed of 13.7 m/s (about 30 mph) for the Leviathan.

Or this

I came up with a power between 324 and 4374 tons. This is a very wide range, but let me show you my calculations, which let to these values.

At first we have to determine the mass of the Leviathan. I used http://photobucket.com/gallery/http.../media/Henchman4Hire004/PlanetHulk01.jpg.html and https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...viathan.png/revision/latest?cb=20120229221931 picture and concluded to be between 6 and 9 meters for both width and height and about 18 to 27 meters for length.

Using the average density of a human and rounding a bit, we can conclude that the mass has to be between 648 and 2.187 tons.

Now we have to estimate speed, which is the hardest estimate here. I put it between 50 and 200 meters per second. This might be a bit high after looking at the scene again, but whatever.

Looking at the scene in the movie, we see that the Hulk takes about 10 seconds to stop the Leviathan. This means, there is an acceleration of 5 to 20 meters per second squared.

If you input these values into the formula F = m * a, you get a force of 3.240.000 N on the low side and 43.740.000 N on the high side. This comes down to the 324 to 4374 tons mentioned above. I might be wrong on my conversation between force and weight, so please correct me there.

Here are the values I used:

width: 6m - 9m
height: 6m - 9m
length: 18m - 27m

density: 1g/cm³

velocity: 50m/s - 200m/s

Hulk deceleration: 5m/s² - 20m/s²

Here are the raw formulas:

V(small) = 6m * 6m * 18m = 648m³
V(big) = 9m * 9m * 27m = 2187m³

F(small) = 648.000kg * 5m/s = 3.240.000N ~ 324tons

F(big) = 2.187.000 * 20m/s² = 43.740.000N ~ 4.374tons

So this is all excellent analysis and it's cleary that Hulk is not punch Thor like Leviathan. Because Hulk never threw it OVERHAND on Thor.

 

[jadejaws]

I totally think they're keeping him under wraps. Feige and co. have even alluded several times to a HUGE crowd-pleasing Hulk moment that they originally wrote years ago but decided to hold it for the climax of Phase 3.

Do you have a link to where this was said? I remember something about it, but I can’t remember where I saw it.

 

[Mjölnir]

Well, i don't agree but ok. But problem is when people talking that Thor won because he did not win. We do not see it. It's subjective. And people after Ragnarok always speak about how Thor won fight. Thor has uper hand but he not won. We don't see it and if Grandmaster don't show up and again we do not know who would win. So, when people talking how Thor won, i really don't understand why. Because there is no evidence. I mean, it's more evidence that Hulk won then Thor.

This is all personal subjective opinion.

So no comment on how you called me a hypocrite for supposedly saying things that I've never said?

Thor didn't win, he just had the clear upper hand. There we agree. There's no basis for saying that Hulk won because Thor was already beaten when Hulk got his final punch in. If you should say anything then it's that the Grandmaster beat Thor.

And this is what i'm talking about. Always excuses for Hulk. Pure bias.

Hulk cleary not hit hard Thor like Leviathan. I mean, are you serious.

Your second example proves me right. For example it says that it takes 10 seconds for Hulk to stop the Leviathan. A punch is a small fraction of a second, the rest is Hulk holding his ground and the example shows how much force he needs to use to keep holding it until it stops. If Hulk stopped it with is punch the Leviathan would have stopped instantly, which you would know if you understand what you posted.

Thanks for proving me right, that went easy.

 

[Iceman]

This. Hulk will have plenty of time to shine and as Feige said, Hulk's arc is from Ragnarok to A4 (a 3 movies arc). I loved Hulk in Ragnarok because he had a much more interesting and charismatic personality and personally i just wanted to see more of that version of Hulk and not just the brainless anger muscle. He is so much more compelling now.

The Hulk and Banner relationship started to really evolve and enrich itself in Ragnarok. Now in IW we are going to have everyone's reaction to a smarter Hulk and one able to talk and explain how he feels. It's going to be great witnessing his smarter interactions with everyone else. That's the logical step in his arc.

Then in A4 we're probably going to see a very smart Hulk where both Banner and Hulk are at relative peace with each other bringing the best of both worlds together. At least that's my idea of what's going to happen.

Hulk was great in the first Avengers but a lot better in Ragnarok. Can’t wait to see more of this Hulk and hope it’s true that we get an arc for him over the 3 films with no regressing back like AoU.

 

[Monalis]

So no comment on how you called me a hypocrite for supposedly saying things that I've never said?

Thor didn't win, he just had the clear upper hand. There we agree. There's no basis for saying that Hulk won because Thor was already beaten when Hulk got his final punch in. If you should say anything then it's that the Grandmaster beat Thor.

To me Hulk won. EOD.

Your second example proves me right. For example it says that it takes 10 seconds for Hulk to stop the Leviathan. A punch is a small fraction of a second, the rest is Hulk holding his ground and the example shows how much force he needs to use to keep holding it until it stops. If Hulk stopped it with is punch the Leviathan would have stopped instantly, which you would know if you understand what you posted.

Thanks for proving me right, that went easy.

Again, pure bias. Cheers. People has great analyze and it's cleary that Hulk not punch Thor like Leviathan. Because Thor bi in KO

 

[All-Father]

To me Hulk won. EOD.



Again, pure bias. Cheers. People has great analyze and it's cleary that Hulk not punch Thor like Leviathan. Because Thor bi in KO

Thor kicked Hulk's butt in Ragnarok; Grandmaster had to cheat. Deal with it.

 

[Mjölnir]

To me Hulk won. EOD.

Which is because you're the most biased person here. Probably one of the new accounts made to vote in the Thor vs Hulk thread.

Again, pure bias. Cheers. People has great analyze and it's cleary that Hulk not punch Thor like Leviathan. Because Thor bi in KO

The only thing you're showing is that you don't even understand the physics that you yourself posted.

 

[jadejaws]

Can we all just agree that Hulk and Thor are beasts and leave it at that? This discussion of who won the fight(s) is played. It will never be resolved definitively and that is done intentionally.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

To me Hulk won. EOD.



Again, pure bias. Cheers. People has great analyze and it's cleary that Hulk not punch Thor like Leviathan. Because Thor bi in KO

No EOD. Hulk only won because of the Grandmaster's interference but up until that point, Thor was clearly starting to gain the upper hand. We'll never really know how that fight would have ended if it had been allowed to end uninterrupted.

 

[parkerpete]

No EOD. Hulk only won because of the Grandmaster's interference but up until that point, Thor was clearly starting to gain the upper hand. We'll never really know how that fight would have ended if it had been allowed to end uninterrupted.

I am constantly amazed that people bicker over this kind of stuff. I get people arguing about storytelling choices in the movies and characterization choices--because that's about the quality of the films and the spirit of the characters. but this kind of d**k measuring between characters is completely embarrassing. Thor and Hulk are both 'nukes'. Who cares who wins one fight or another. Sheesh.

 

[Kirmit]

I have the feeling there won’t be much Hulk in this movie, maybe show up at the beginning and near the end.

 

[Y0nder]

I think he will have his moments of badassery though. He might own the Black Order by himself until Maw shows up and reverts him to Banner.

 

[Monalis]

Thor kicked Hulk's butt in Ragnarok; Grandmaster had to cheat. Deal with it.

No, it's not. This is not fact. Thor get KO by Hulk in Ragnarok and to me it's cleary that Hulk won. First vs regular Thor Hulk throw punches on Thor and then Thor get power and this is draw. Then Grandmaster and then Hulk KO Thor. This is not rule fight. This is like all other fights in comics. Old school no rule.

So, it's very cleary that Hulk destroyed regular Thor and then draw with superpowered Thor. Thor not KO Hulk. This is never happened.

Again, you all Thor fans and you are cleary hate Hulk. I'm talking about arguments but you are atacking me because i'm not afraid speak.

The only thing you're showing is that you don't even understand the physics that you yourself posted.

This is really not ok by you. You never show argument and i'm givin you this

The largest real life animal, the Blue Whale, is 30 meters long and weighs around 150 short tons. Being 2x that length, the Leviathan should be 8x heavier. About 1200 tons. Now for speed and travel distance. The time between the Leviathan going to ground level and Hulk punching it in the face is about 20 seconds. The average Manhattan city block is 80 x 274 meters. Assuming the longer distance gives us a travel speed of 13.7 m/s (about 30 mph) for the Leviathan.

Or this

I came up with a power between 324 and 4374 tons. This is a very wide range, but let me show you my calculations, which let to these values.

At first we have to determine the mass of the Leviathan. I used http://photobucket.com/gallery/http.../media/Henchman4Hire004/PlanetHulk01.jpg.html and https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...viathan.png/revision/latest?cb=20120229221931 picture and concluded to be between 6 and 9 meters for both width and height and about 18 to 27 meters for length.

Using the average density of a human and rounding a bit, we can conclude that the mass has to be between 648 and 2.187 tons.

Now we have to estimate speed, which is the hardest estimate here. I put it between 50 and 200 meters per second. This might be a bit high after looking at the scene again, but whatever.

Looking at the scene in the movie, we see that the Hulk takes about 10 seconds to stop the Leviathan. This means, there is an acceleration of 5 to 20 meters per second squared.

If you input these values into the formula F = m * a, you get a force of 3.240.000 N on the low side and 43.740.000 N on the high side. This comes down to the 324 to 4374 tons mentioned above. I might be wrong on my conversation between force and weight, so please correct me there.

Here are the values I used:

width: 6m - 9m
height: 6m - 9m
length: 18m - 27m

density: 1g/cm³

velocity: 50m/s - 200m/s

Hulk deceleration: 5m/s² - 20m/s²

Here are the raw formulas:

V(small) = 6m * 6m * 18m = 648m³
V(big) = 9m * 9m * 27m = 2187m³

F(small) = 648.000kg * 5m/s = 3.240.000N ~ 324tons

F(big) = 2.187.000 * 20m/s² = 43.740.000N ~ 4.374tons

So this is all excellent analysis and it's cleary that Hulk is not punch Thor like Leviathan. Because Hulk never threw it OVERHAND on Thor.

Again, Hulk never punch Thor with overhand and with that power like vs Leviathan. You are all atacking me because i have personal opinion with logical arguments. You are all virtual bully and i'm not afraid anymore because i have depressed period in my life because of bully in school. And i don't understand why you are not respect different opinion.

 

[Mjölnir]

This is really not ok by you. You never show argument and i'm givin you this



Or this



So this is all excellent analysis and it's cleary that Hulk is not punch Thor like Leviathan. Because Hulk never threw it OVERHAND on Thor.

Again, Hulk never punch Thor with overhand and with that power like vs Leviathan. You are all atacking me because i have personal opinion with logical arguments. You are all virtual bully and i'm not afraid anymore because i have depressed period in my life because of bully in school. And i don't understand why you are not respect different opinion.

You just don't understand your own examples. The first one is irrelevant and the second proves me right. Hence I'm content using your second example since I'm right.

The calculation clearly shows that it's not a punch that halts the leviathan but Hulk holding his ground. A punch doesn't take 10 seconds so clearly the main work was done after the punch, which makes the calculations irrelevant to show how strong the punch itself was. Pretty obvious, really.

As for what would KO a Thor that's not depowered by a obedience disk, we don't know. He's been hit by someone stronger than Hulk, which is Kurse, and didn't go out. The only time he went out is when he made Sokovia explode and stood in the center of the explosion. That's far, far more force than it takes to stop a little leviathan.

 

[Chesterfield]

....ANYWAY...I'm guessing that scene with the outsiders dog piling on Banner in the filibuster will result in Banner hulking out and wrecking s*** up.

 

[Mjölnir]

....ANYWAY...I'm guessing that scene with the outsiders dog piling on Banner in the filibuster will result in Banner hulking out and wrecking s*** up.

Yes, that seems to be the way it's going and it will be an awesome visual seeing Hulk tear himself out of the Hulkbuster.

 

[Lookhowfunnyiam]

No, it's not. This is not fact. Thor get KO by Hulk in Ragnarok and to me it's cleary that Hulk won. First vs regular Thor Hulk throw punches on Thor and then Thor get power and this is draw. Then Grandmaster and then Hulk KO Thor. This is not rule fight. This is like all other fights in comics. Old school no rule.

So, it's very cleary that Hulk destroyed regular Thor and then draw with superpowered Thor. Thor not KO Hulk. This is never happened.

Again, you all Thor fans and you are cleary hate Hulk. I'm talking about arguments but you are atacking me because i'm not afraid speak.


This is really not ok by you. You never show argument and i'm givin you this



Or this



So this is all excellent analysis and it's cleary that Hulk is not punch Thor like Leviathan. Because Hulk never threw it OVERHAND on Thor.

Again, Hulk never punch Thor with overhand and with that power like vs Leviathan. You are all atacking me because i have personal opinion with logical arguments. You are all virtual bully and i'm not afraid anymore because i have depressed period in my life because of bully in school. And i don't understand why you are not respect different opinion.

Nope. Nope. You don’t get to come on this thread calling people hypocrites and making that insulting and frankly pathetic “beta male” comment, saying “end of discussion” on your terribly thought out opinions, then pull the bullying card when people reasonably don’t take your nonsense opinions as gospel.

 

[BigThor]

Hopefully, even if he is the only hero who can rattle Thanos in a fight it would be enough.

Hulk *and Thor

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hulk *and Thor

Maybe

 

[BigThor]

Maybe

Definitely

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Definitely

We’ll see. Thor doesn’t look like he fares too well from what we have seen .

 

[BigThor]

We’ll see. Thor doesn’t look like he fares too well from what we have seen .

None of the heroes in that scene will fare well, however I'm betting there will be a round 2 in Wakanda.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

None of the heroes in that scene will fare well, however I'm betting there will be a round 2 in Wakanda.

That’s even if Banner Hulks out, doesn’t look like he does until later in the movie.

But yeah, as a Hulk fan I feel a bit short changed by his last 2 appearances, where it seemed he was just there to show other heroes beating him. So I hope he gets a strong showing here that truly shows his power. However I still expect Thanos to be too much for him.

 

[BigThor]

That’s even if Banner Hulks out, doesn’t look like he does until later in the movie.

But yeah, as a Hulk fan I feel a bit short changed by his last 2 appearances, where it seemed he was just there to show other heroes beating him. So I hope he gets a strong showing here that truly shows his power. However I still expect Thanos to be too much for him.

I would really love to see Thor and Hulk go Tekken Tag Tournament on Thanos during the Wakanda battle.