Human Condition

[Silverstein]

The human condition is being alive. There are biological standards and rules that we most follow and chemical necessities that command our daily functions, and the choices we make are lucid.

Society and intelligence are shown in ants, bees, and various other animals in our planet. Emotions are displayed in mammals very evidently, as are other obvious traits of being in our mammalia class.

But what makes us unique? What makes us have such command over the world around us.

I believe intelligence is the factor that separates man from monster, beast or burden. We can rationalize and work with the world around us, we can understand and develop solutions. We are, for all intents and purposes, awake.

Being awake can have it's problems, though. Having the ability to rationalize means that we can over analyze things that, while complex, are no so very confusing if you look close enough.

Some people believe there is a heaven or hell, some people believe that we become part of a universal soul, others believe various things. Then there are those that believe that there is nothing, only chaos. Life is random and the operations of the human condition are as adaptive to chaos as anything else in existence. We think, so we are.

With that philosophy, being dead would be the same as being alive. Rules and laws would really have no deeper meaning other than sustaining order in a naturally chaotic existence.

Laws, Order and registration would actually therefore be an anomaly in which we are trying to create something out of the opposite of what is.



But if you stop and think about it, isn't it odd that cold and dark seem to be standard to the universe? Isn't it odd that energy seems like something "extra" something...special?

We have categorized and documented many creatures on this planet. We have watched stars birth and die, and calculated even the possibilities of our own downfall. Yet here we are. Newborns in the sense of time, yet ancient within our own realm, what do we exist for? What is the purpose of the human condition?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Too early for such reflection lol

 

[Danalys]

i agree with spoons but i can point out that to rationalize is not the same as being rational.

 

[Majic Walrus]

The human condition is being alive. There are biological standards and rules that we most follow and chemical necessities that command our daily functions, and the choices we make are lucid.

Society and intelligence are shown in ants, bees, and various other animals in our planet. Emotions are displayed in mammals very evidently, as are other obvious traits of being in our mammalia class.

But what makes us unique? What makes us have such command over the world around us.

I believe intelligence is the factor that separates man from monster, beast or burden. We can rationalize and work with the world around us, we can understand and develop solutions. We are, for all intents and purposes, awake.

Being awake can have it's problems, though. Having the ability to rationalize means that we can over analyze things that, while complex, are no so very confusing if you look close enough.

Some people believe there is a heaven or hell, some people believe that we become part of a universal soul, others believe various things. Then there are those that believe that there is nothing, only chaos. Life is random and the operations of the human condition are as adaptive to chaos as anything else in existence. We think, so we are.

With that philosophy, being dead would be the same as being alive. Rules and laws would really have no deeper meaning other than sustaining order in a naturally chaotic existence.

Laws, Order and registration would actually therefore be an anomaly in which we are trying to create something out of the opposite of what is.



But if you stop and think about it, isn't it odd that cold and dark seem to be standard to the universe? Isn't it odd that energy seems like something "extra" something...special?

We have categorized and documented many creatures on this planet. We have watched stars birth and die, and calculated even the possibilities of our own downfall. Yet here we are. Newborns in the sense of time, yet ancient within our own realm, what do we exist for? What is the purpose of the human condition?

I disagree that life is neecessarily "random", randomness implies that there is no order whether imposed or created by the liver (person doing the living).

If anything many parts of life are chance, but not random.

The human condition isn't for anything though. There is no meaning to life. Trying to search for order is pointless. The only way to obtain order is to create it.

 

[BlackLantern]

I believe we are all here for a reason, but the onus is upon us to find that reason....

 

[Moviefan2k4]

But what makes us unique? What makes us have such command over the world around us.

I'll only say this once; if you want further discussion or debate, PM me.

I personally believe that the reason why we have such influence and authority over this world is because our Creator gave it to us at the beginning. I believe we were designed to exercise proper control over the world around us (among other tasks).

We have watched stars birth and die, and calculated even the possibilities of our own downfall.

Actually, it's a point of fact that no one has ever seen a star form. People have countless theories regarding how it happens, but no one in the history of the world has ever actually witnessed it. We see supernovas all the time, so we know for a fact how stars die...but we've never seen them form.

What is the purpose of the human condition?

I don't think there is any one single, specific purpose. I do believe that all in all, we were created to be righteous examples of our Creator, but I also think we as a race screwed that plan up rather quickly through selfishness.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I'll only say this once; if you want further discussion or debate, PM me.

I personally believe that the reason why we have such influence and authority over this world is because our Creator gave it to us at the beginning. I believe we were designed to exercise proper control over the world around us (among other tasks).

Actually, it's a point of fact that no one has ever seen a star form. People have countless theories regarding how it happens, but no one in the history of the world has ever actually witnessed it. We see supernovas all the time, so we know for a fact how stars die...but we've never seen them form.

I don't think there is any one single, specific purpose. I do believe that all in all, we were created to be righteous examples of our Creator, but I also think we as a race screwed that plan up rather quickly through selfishness.

That idea is very enlightened.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

That idea is very enlightened.

What I meant by that is I believe humanity was created to serve a multitude of purposes, not just one.

 

[BlackLantern]

^^I've always felt that way....

 

[Silverstein]

I agree. I was originally going to start a fight with this thread, Moviefan...You believe in a Creator. I believe in God as well.




Then there are others that believe that Christians, Jews, Muslims, Taoists, Hindus, etc etc are all wrong and that life is about as planned as McCain and Palin's run for white house. (I.E. hardly...)

You know the type of people that get pissed if you kindly say "God Bless" you when they sneeze. Or "Merry Christmas" when the holiday is coming up. Or ask why "God" has to be written on something in front of a court house.


Yeah. I was going to go in a different direction. But I chose to keep it vague. Now everyone pretend you didn't read this.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

You know the type of people that get pissed if you kindly say "God Bless" you when they sneeze. Or "Merry Christmas" when the holiday is coming up. Or ask why "God" has to be written on something in front of a court house.

That's why I deliberately used the word "Creator" as opposed to "God" in my initial post. It seems a growing percentage of folks on the forum (including a few mods) are very easily offended by ideas such as absolute truth or divine authority.

I, for one, say "God Bless" to almost everyone at some point, unless they've made it clear to me that they want nothing to do with Him. I prefer "Merry Christmas" over "Happy Holidays" any day of the week, and I'm a firm believer in Christianity being a huge driving force behind the Founding Fathers' desire to start the United States.

Unfortunately, that rapidly appears to be labeling me as a minority. So be it...but to paraphrase Patch Adams, "I am a minority that will not go away".

Yeah. I was going to go in a different direction. But I chose to keep it vague. Now everyone pretend you didn't read this.

Unlikely, given the track record of moral debates around here.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I agree. I was originally going to start a fight with this thread, Moviefan...You believe in a Creator. I believe in God as well.

Can we still?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

 

[Silverstein]

If you must..

 

[Silverstein]

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

Who's side are you on?

 

[Majic Walrus]

I think he's on the side of the fight. You always win when you're a spectator.

 

[Carcharodon]

With that philosophy, being dead would be the same as being alive.

This is where you lost me. Care to explain?

But if you stop and think about it, isn't it odd that cold and dark seem to be standard to the universe? Isn't it odd that energy seems like something "extra" something...special?

No. In fact, "energy" was likely the original state of the universe.

Besides, light and heat aren't the only forms of energy in the universe. I think that this line of reasoning stems from a general lack of understanding of natural laws and processes which to you may seem mystical and beyond your reach, but which are well known and documented by the people who study them.

...like the idea that matter and energy can be inter-converted, for example.

 

[The Senator]

That's why I deliberately used the word "Creator" as opposed to "God" in my initial post. It seems a growing percentage of folks on the forum (including a few mods) are very easily offended by ideas such as absolute truth or divine authority.

I, for one, say "God Bless" to almost everyone at some point, unless they've made it clear to me that they want nothing to do with Him. I prefer "Merry Christmas" over "Happy Holidays" any day of the week, and I'm a firm believer in Christianity being a huge driving force behind the Founding Fathers' desire to start the United States.

Unfortunately, that rapidly appears to be labeling me as a minority. So be it...but to paraphrase Patch Adams, "I am a minority that will not go away".

Oh please. I cannot believe you have the audacity to consider yourself a minority. White Christians make up an overwhelming majority in the United States and control basically every institution in the country right now. It is your aggressiveness and narrow-mindedness which makes you controversial, not your faith itself.

 

[Carcharodon]

Oh please. I cannot believe you have the audacity to consider yourself a minority. White Christians make up an overwhelming majority in the United States and control basically every institution in the country right now. It is your aggressiveness and narrow-mindedness which makes you controversial, not your faith itself.

Did you honestly expect anything else from him? Any time I even see his username here anymore I assume (with about 99.9% accuracy) that it's something ridiculous and/or born of a strong lack of knowledge.

 

[AndThePickles]

Haha, purposely starting a fight? For shame

 

[Moviefan2k4]

White Christians...control basically every institution in the country right now.

I highly doubt that. If they did, such things as school shootings, teen pregnancy, anti-Christian judges making ridiculous laws, and attempts to redefine the definition of marriage wouldn't be so prevlaent in our current society. The moral and spiritual fabric of the United States is slowly ripping itself apart, because Christians have generally not been fighting against the appointment of disbelievers into governmental authority. The original situation in the U.S. was that if you weren't a Christian, it was a near certainty you'd never hold public office. Now, it seems to be the reverse. Many liberals claim that Christians are unable to weigh circumstances objectively, an assertion which has next to no truth in it.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. The day after the Columbine shootings, Rosie O'Donnell said on her talk show, "We need more gun control!" Those two youngster broke more than 10 gun laws entering that school armed in the first place - I doubt any more would've slowed them down. There's also the likelihood that one of the shooters asked young Cassie Bernall, "Do you believe in God?", and shot her dead when she replied, "Yes".

It is your aggressiveness and narrow-mindedness which makes you controversial, not your faith itself.

Agressiveness? In what way have I been unjustly harsh or critical? My opinions are based on the divine authority of Scripture, as well as wisdom I've gained from a few of my personal experiences. the only issue seems to be that I refuse political correctness every chance I get. I don't go out of my way to offend people, but I won't apologize if folks balk at my responses anyway.

 

[Gilpesh]

I highly doubt that. If they did, such things as school shootings, teen pregnancy, anti-Christian judges making ridiculous laws, and attempts to redefine the definition of marriage wouldn't be so prevlaent in our current society.

Only ******ed people think that if there were more christians running things... there would be less school shootings and teen pregnancies.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Only ******ed people think that if there were more christians running things... there would be less school shootings and teen pregnancies.

With that statement, you've just diagnosed about 60 - 70% of the U.S. population as having a mental disorder. To make such a claim, you must know the thoughts and motives of everyone living here...





...oh, wait; that'd make you God. Never mind...

 

[Carcharodon]

Did you honestly expect anything else from him? Any time I even see his username here anymore I assume (with about 99.9% accuracy) that it's something ridiculous and/or born of a strong lack of knowledge.

I highly doubt that. If they did, such things as school shootings, teen pregnancy, anti-Christian judges making ridiculous laws, and attempts to redefine the definition of marriage wouldn't be so prevlaent in our current society. The moral and spiritual fabric of the United States is slowly ripping itself apart, because Christians have generally not been fighting against the appointment of disbelievers into governmental authority. The original situation in the U.S. was that if you weren't a Christian, it was a near certainty you'd never hold public office. Now, it seems to be the reverse. Many liberals claim that Christians are unable to weigh circumstances objectively, an assertion which has next to no truth in it.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. The day after the Columbine shootings, Rosie O'Donnell said on her talk show, "We need more gun control!" Those two youngster broke more than 10 gun laws entering that school armed in the first place - I doubt any more would've slowed them down. There's also the likelihood that one of the shooters asked young Cassie Bernall, "Do you believe in God?", and shot her dead when she replied, "Yes".

Agressiveness? In what way have I been unjustly harsh or critical? My opinions are based on the divine authority of Scripture, as well as wisdom I've gained from a few of my personal experiences. the only issue seems to be that I refuse political correctness every chance I get. I don't go out of my way to offend people, but I won't apologize if folks balk at my responses anyway.

Case in point.

 

[Gilpesh]

With that statement, you've just diagnosed about 60 - 70% of the U.S. population as having a mental disorder. To make such a claim, you must know the thoughts and motives of everyone living here...

Actually. To pull the 60-70% out of your ass... you assume that christian people are ******ed enough to think that bad things only happen because christians aren't running things...

Man, you just called christians ******ed.... that's cold.