HYPE Super Bowl XLVII thread!!!!!! OMG

[KalMart]

I wouldn't go so far to say "screwed" so much as we lost due to flukes last year.

Niners lost to the team that beat them, period. What they couldn't do within their own control throughout the game is what lost it for them. It's natural to look elsewhere for responsiblity because of the pain over the loss, but it's not why they lost in that case, no moreso than it is in this superbowl.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

His goal was to prove he is a Elite QB. Looks like he did just that.

No he didn't.

Is he better than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers?

No?

Then he's not "elite".

That word is getting tossed around waaayyyy too liberally.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Thank you, SF is a really good team, I look for them to be back at it if the team stays the way it is.

Thanks.

I knew Baltimore was gonna be a tough matchup. I actually wanted New England. No way New England puts up the fight Baltimore did at the goal line lol.

Except for tonight and the past 2 weeks, I actually kinda like Baltimore. Nobody on that roster that I really dislike. Even a fan of Ray. I'd rather lose to them than the Pats.

Still feeling the pain of the loss tonight tho.

Ravens are now the only team in the NFL with more than 1 Super Bowl win that are undefeated.

 

[KalMart]

My brother kept referring to Flacco as a modern day Testaverde...a solid journeyman, but not a real franchise money-wuarterbck. I believe he is now, and had a good track getting here. He certainly stepped it up for this entire post season. Maybe not Rogers or Peyton or Brady level yet, but Eli and Ben? He's at least a 'new member', if maybe yet to earn tenure.

 

[Grievous]

Well I never wanted to start comparing him to Brady and Peyton, but not every QB can lead a team to a Super Bowl win and get MVP so that counts for something. I guess it depends on how you look at the word Elite. Elite or not he is a Super Bowl MVP and that is going to keep his critics quiet for a long time. Do I think Flacco should be with Brady and Peyton? No, Eli and Ben? Yes.

 

[KalMart]

Thanks.

I knew Baltimore was gonna be a tough matchup. I actually wanted New England. No way New England puts up the fight Baltimore did at the goal line lol.

Except for tonight and the past 2 weeks, I actually kinda like Baltimore. Nobody on that roster that I really dislike. Even a fan of Ray. I'd rather lose to them than the Pats.

Still feeling the pain of the loss tonight tho.

Ravens are now the only team in the NFL with more than 1 Super Bowl win that are undefeated.

I think SF is going to be even better next year, so you could very easily be looking at another trip back. They seem right in their prime.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Niners lost to the team that beat them, period. What they couldn't do within their own control throughout the game is what lost it for them. It's natural to look elsewhere for responsiblity because of the pain over the loss, but it's not why they lost in that case, no moreso than it is in this superbowl.

I'm not looking elsewhere for responsibility. I'm putting the responsibility exactly where it belongs - on a fluke play from a careless mistake that you'll likely never see again for YEARS, and a call that cost the 49ers a game changing turnover.

Were those the only factors that cost us? No. Should the Giants or Giants fans have an asterisk next to their Super Bowl run and feel bad about it? No. Flukes and bad calls are part of the game. But flukes and bad calls do happen, and do have significant impacts on the outcomes of games. They are a very valid area to look at when determining how a game came to it's result.

Tonight, there were no fluke plays, or bad calls that I am aware of. Tonight the Ravens were simply the better team, and the 49ers couldn't finish the job when they had their opportunity at making the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history.

But that doesn't mean that fluke plays and bad calls weren't a significant impact in last year's NFC Championship.

I don't know why you're so adamant that bad calls can't and don't have an impact on a game.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well I never wanted to start comparing him to Brady and Peyton, but not every QB can lead a team to a Super Bowl win and get MVP so that counts for something. I guess it depends on how you look at the word Elite. Elite or not he is a Super Bowl MVP and that is going to keep his critics quiet for a long time. Do I think Flacco should be with Brady and Peyton? No, Eli and Ben? Yes

This I agree with.

I would not agree that Joe Flacco is elite.

I would agree that he is the franchie QB for the Baltimore Ravens, and a very good QB that is good enough to get the job done.

I'd like to see a little more longevity in his success, but dude is for real. I don't think he deserves Drew Brees money like he's apparently asking for, but he deserves money, and a lot of it.

 

[KalMart]

Well I never wanted to start comparing him to Brady and Peyton, but not every QB can lead a team to a Super Bowl win and get MVP so that counts for something. I guess it depends on how you look at the word Elite. Elite or not he is a Super Bowl MVP and that is going to keep his critics quiet for a long time.

It's also become much ore of a QB/Offense-friendly game...so sometimes we gauge by either an older standard, or maybe we need to redefine levels of the 'pyramid' in today's game.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think SF is going to be even better next year, so you could very easily be looking at another trip back. They seem right in their prime.

I sure hope so.

I'm hearing a lot of comparisons to Dan Marino, or the Steelers after Super Bowl XXX that didn't get back for another 10 years.

And I'm looking around the NFC... if Atlanta gets a defense, they are gonna be scary. The Seahawks are a threat within our own division, and the Rams are only improving. Depending on the health of RGIII, Washington looks to be a young up and comer. The Saints will be getting Payton and all their suspended players back, with a chip on their shoulders. Of course you always have the Packers, the Lions are talented if they can get it all together, and the Vikings are a QB away from being a threat again.

I still feel like the 49ers are an early favorite in the NFC going into the year, but I see a lot of areas where that can quickly change over the course of a season.

 

[KalMart]

I'm not looking elsewhere for responsibility. I'm putting the responsibility exactly where it belongs - on a fluke play from a careless mistake that you'll likely never see again for YEARS, and a call that cost the 49ers a game changing turnover.

Were those the only factors that cost us? No. Should the Giants or Giants fans have an asterisk next to their Super Bowl run and feel bad about it? No. Flukes and bad calls are part of the game. But flukes and bad calls do happen, and do have significant impacts on the outcomes of games. They are a very valid area to look at when determining how a game came to it's result.

Tonight, there were no fluke plays, or bad calls that I am aware of. Tonight the Ravens were simply the better team, and the 49ers couldn't finish the job when they had their opportunity at making the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history.

But that doesn't mean that fluke plays and bad calls weren't a significant impact in last year's NFC Championship.

I don't know why you're so adamant that bad calls can't and don't have an impact on a game.

I never said they didn't, but the credit for the result ultimately goes more to both teams' play than the calls. We've seen those very ones happen in a lot of games...unlike a snow plow or tuck rule, etc.. And the fumble that ultimately determined the winning field goal wasn't a fluke. So when you look at it altogether, objectively, it's still a conventional win and loss. Not adamant about it, just pointing out the truth, even though I understand how it must feel.

 

[The Apocalypse]

No he didn't.

Is he better than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers?

No?

Then he's not "elite".

That word is getting tossed around waaayyyy too liberally.

So true. Remember last year, people were calling Ell elite. I haven't heard anything about him since week 5. Flacco played great this postseason and he's going to get money he deserves. He'll never be better than the QB's Nell listed.

 

[KalMart]

I sure hope so.

I'm hearing a lot of comparisons to Dan Marino, or the Steelers after Super Bowl XXX that didn't get back for another 10 years.

And I'm looking around the NFC... if Atlanta gets a defense, they are gonna be scary. The Seahawks are a threat within our own division, and the Rams are only improving. Depending on the health of RGIII, Washington looks to be a young up and comer. The Saints will be getting Payton and all their suspended players back, with a chip on their shoulders. Of course you always have the Packers, the Lions are talented if they can get it all together, and the Vikings are a QB away from being a threat again.

I still feel like the 49ers are an early favorite in the NFC going into the year, but I see a lot of areas where that can quickly change over the course of a season.

One or two key injuries can turn everything around, but with the ubiquitous 'if everyone's healthy', they'll most certainly be in the running again. I think the Giants will be there too, and I think especially in the West it'll be interesting with the Seahawks.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I never said they didn't, but the credit for the result ultimately goes more to both teams' play than the calls. We've seen those very ones happen in a lot of games...unlike a snow plow or tuck rule, etc.. And the fumble that ultimately determined the winning field goal wasn't a fluke. So when you look at it altogether, objectively, it's still a conventional win and loss. Not adamant about it, just pointing out the truth, even though I understand how it must feel.

It's no "Tuck Rule" level fluke or bad call, no, but it was a fluke play that greatly determined the outcome of the game. And you're right, the fumble in overtime wasn't a fluke. That's not the one I'm calling flukey. The one that grazed Williams' knee that greatly changed the momentum of the game is the one that I consider to be flukey. That's the one that I will never forgive Kyle Williams for. The one in overtime was a great defensive play.

We probably don't disagree as much as it may seem. Ultimately I agree it was the play of both teams that determined the outcome, and careless play by one team is not winning football. But I do believe that it was still a fluke fumble that greatly changed and impacted the game. And I do believe that if Bradshaw's fumble is called as it should have been, the 49ers win and the Giants don't have an opportunity to create the fumble in overtime.

Again, no asterisks. The Giants do and should own their Super Bowl 46 victory. It wasn't a screwjob level blown call. It was just a "natural part of the game" blown call.

 

[KalMart]

So true. Remember last year, people were calling Ell elite. I haven't heard anything about him since week 5. Flacco played great this postseason and he's going to get money he deserves. He'll never be better than the QB's Nell listed.

That's because the Giants didn't do well this year, but he still is and if asked, those who said he is still do.

But the big thing is, any really good QB can win it all...yo don't have those dominating dynasties anymore. ASo you'll have your 'uber-elite' class of stats and stuff, but will it really matter than another quarterback isn't quite the #12 or #2 when they all have as good a chance as the other to win it all any given season? What IS clear is that you need a really good quarterback to win consistently. Whatever yo want to call QB's once they reach that level, Flacco is certainly that.

 

[KalMart]

It's no "Tuck Rule" level fluke or bad call, no, but it was a fluke play that greatly determined the outcome of the game. And you're right, the fumble in overtime wasn't a fluke. That's not the one I'm calling flukey. The one that grazed Williams' knee that greatly changed the momentum of the game is the one that I consider to be flukey. That's the one that I will never forgive Kyle Williams for. The one in overtime was a great defensive play.

He just really wasn't the ideal guy for that position that game. I guess he had to be because the other guy got hurt, but he didn't do a good job, and then he got the ball knocked out on an great coverage play. But I also think that Williams should have consciously gotten more out of the way of that bounce on the earlier muff call, if he knew he was going to let it pass. That's what you're trained to do in that situation, specifically so you're not more susceptible to a weird bounce like that. He seemed quite indecisive and a bit frozen, when you're supposed to get the heck away.

To me a fluke is something that you can't expect or plan for or protect against...he could have done that and most return men do. He didn't do his job well enough.

We probably don't disagree as much as it may seem. Ultimately I agree it was the play of both teams that determined the outcome, and careless play by one team is not winning football. But I do believe that it was still a fluke fumble that greatly changed and impacted the game. And I do believe that if Bradshaw's fumble is called as it should have been, the 49ers win and the Giants don't have an opportunity to create the fumble in overtime.

Again, no asterisks. The Giants do and should own their Super Bowl 46 victory. It wasn't a screwjob level blown call. It was just a "natural part of the game" blown call.

It was a good earned win.

 

[The Apocalypse]

That's because the Giants didn't do well this year, but he still is and if asked, those who said he is still do.

But the big thing is, any really good QB can win it all...yo don't have those dominating dynasties anymore. ASo you'll have your 'uber-elite' class of stats and stuff, but will it really matter than another quarterback isn't quite the #12 or #2 when they all have as good a chance as the other to win it all any given season? What IS clear is that you need a really good quarterback to win consistently. Whatever yo want to call QB's once they reach that level, Flacco is certainly that.

I can't even debate this because of the hatred I have for the Giants. I'm way too bias for it.

 

[KalMart]

I can't even debate this because of the hatred I have for the Giants. I'm way too bias for it.

It's not about bias, you're a money-QB or you're not, but I get ya'.


Who do you like, the Jets?

 

[KalMart]

Well...now starts the official annual period of no sports that matters until April.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Well...now starts the official annual period of no sports that matters until April.

People in Indiana, Kentucky, and North Carolina strongly disagree with you.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

People in Indiana, Kentucky, and North Carolina strongly disagree with you.

Yea but like their sports, they don't matter.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yea but like their sports, they don't matter.

How about the 20+ million people who watched the NCAA Basketball Finals last year?

And Big Blue Nation always matters--we are global, baby!

 

[KalMart]

People in Indiana, Kentucky, and North Carolina strongly disagree with you.

...and....?

How about the 20+ million people who watched the NCAA Basketball Finals last year?

Yea, how about 'em?

And Big Blue Nation always matters--we are global, baby!

More like microscopic. Right, enjoy your soccer. t:

 

[Xeno]

This I agree with.

I would not agree that Joe Flacco is elite.

I would agree that he is the franchie QB for the Baltimore Ravens, and a very good QB that is good enough to get the job done.

I'd like to see a little more longevity in his success, but dude is for real. I don't think he deserves Drew Brees money like he's apparently asking for, but he deserves money, and a lot of it.

Of the people you call elite quarterbacks, none of them were in the Super Bowl this year. Flacco and Kaepernick were. I don't think that either of them are too worried that some don't consider them "elite" when they were both where every quarterback wants to be on the last weekend of the season.

 

[Lantern Venom]

...and....?

And Kansas.