I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

Herr Logan said:
Overall really liked? "Spider-Man" and "X-Men 2"-- merely because I was expecting even worse. After much thought, I've decided that setting the bar extremely low for comic book filmmakers only lowers myself. I loved the web-swinging scenes and most of Norman Osborn's scenes in "Spider-Man," almost all the Doc Ock stuff in "Spider-Man 2," all of Magneto's scenes in "X-Men 2," and the desert battle scene in "Hulk." Snatches of excellence. Not as good as an excellent movie overall, but something from which to take solace.

"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" kicked ass. :up:

One thing's for sure, if they would make a dvd with the "best" marvel movie scenes (put in there any webslinging spider-man scenes, Hulk fighting tanks + copters, Wolvie's berserker rage in x2, nearly ANYTHING with Magneto in the second movie, some of the great fights between Spidey and Doc Ock) you might have one heck of a great random Dvd scenes! I'd love for them to release such a thing. Alas, I doubt it's possible.

Ten years ago, I could have never (even in my wildest dreams) wish to see such awesome scenes like the one with Hulk fighting Tanks or Spidey simply swinging around. For that, you can bet i'm grateful.

I'm hoping for such a scene with Doom, actually, and then I might die happily. ;)
 
Like I said before, I won't give thanks for being served $hit that's called steak. However, when it comes to the web-slinging scenes, Doc Ock, Norman, Magneto and tank-stompin' fun with the Hulk, as far as I'm concerned, it's all you can eat skirt steak fajitas with unlimited refills on soda. :)
 
I just read in one of those British movie magazines that McMahon said Doom won't even put on the mask until after his last fight scene in the movie. Just thought I'd say something.
 
For anyone still interested, I made a thread in Fan Fiction about my Doom plot. The link's in my signature.
 
Ratcrawler said:
I just read in one of those British movie magazines that McMahon said Doom won't even put on the mask until after his last fight scene in the movie. Just thought I'd say something.
I suppose the skin on his face is the last to fall off.
 
Ratcrawler said:
I just read in one of those British movie magazines that McMahon said Doom won't even put on the mask until after his last fight scene in the movie. Just thought I'd say something.
So, no organic skin?????? :)
 
Sorry Herr, wrote in a hurry I meant Victor (resist calling him Doom until he put on the armor) but sometimes I typed Reed instead. And I can write very well, I just never choose to, because I write very fast on these boards and well, it is just my nature to write sloppy when it isn't for work or in the old days school. Yes it was Doom I meant who broke the neck and Doom who threatened the world, not Reed. ;)

Does the rest meet with approval? ;)
 
Ratcrawler said:
I just read in one of those British movie magazines that McMahon said Doom won't even put on the mask until after his last fight scene in the movie. Just thought I'd say something.

At this point, I'll believe any news like this, unsubstantiated or not.

They can only prove me wrong or surprise me by doing better. The power of negative thinking. :doom:
 
DACrowe said:
...wrote in a hurry ... I can write very well, I just never choose to...

I too read your plot outline, and was also confused. May I offer a suggestion? When posting to a forum such as this, all we get to see are the words you type on the screen. We can't hear your voice, we can't see your face, and in fact we know next to nothing about you.

This is precisely the time you should choose to "write very well". It shows care and respect for the others on this board. It conveys your ideas in the best possible way, and it makes the best use of your time and the time spent by your readers.

As it is, your readers had to spend additional time typing to you for clarification, and you had to spend additional time typing to explain yourself. Moreover, many other readers who may have appreciated your story ideas may have abandoned reading it half way through it. So, your "rushed" typing in the end saved no time, and did not present your ideas in the best light.

Relax, there is no need to rush a post. Heck, you're typing, no one can interrupt you, or cut you off. You "have the floor" so to speak.

So, don't tell us that you can "write very well". Show us. Everyone will be better off with the results. This was meant as an honest suggestion for improved posting, not a personal slam.
 
DACrowe said:
Sorry Herr, wrote in a hurry I meant Victor (resist calling him Doom until he put on the armor) but sometimes I typed Reed instead. And I can write very well, I just never choose to, because I write very fast on these boards and well, it is just my nature to write sloppy when it isn't for work or in the old days school. Yes it was Doom I meant who broke the neck and Doom who threatened the world, not Reed. ;)

Does the rest meet with approval? ;)

Like I said, this is one of the best fan-generated ideas for an alternative to this atrocity I've seen so far. I took into account that you were only describing the villain plot and not the entirety, as fame exploration, family hijinks and personal troubles are a must in a Fantastic Four movie.

I like how you didn't indicate that Von Doom and Sue Storm being a willing couple was a good idea-- thus, not having that happen at all-- but still left an element of attraction toward Sue on Doom's part. I don't remember if Doom keeping his captives in specialized cells designed to test and/or break them originated with Claremont's classic X-Men days or if I saw it on the Fantastic Four cartoon-- I feel like I saw it there, but I can't remember the actual situations. Maybe I actually read an FF book where this happened as well. In any event, it's definitely his style and I like that you put it in your synopsis.

You've got the armor, the M.O., and Doom isn't a God damn Lex Luthor wannabe. It's a damn good start. :up:
 
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It seems it is futile to argue with pessimists, purists, and perfectionists. The X-Men movies and Spiderman movies were awesome. Punisher was awesome. Daredevil and the Hulk sucked ass. And Fantastic Four will be awesome, because they AREN'T straying too far it seems yet. And they keep changing things closer to the comics, IE Doom's name. So I'll hold judgement until it comes out, thank you.
 
You're right, it is futile. Especially when you have nothing of value to contribute.
 
Captain Walrus said:
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It seems it is futile to argue with pessimists, purists, and perfectionists. The X-Men movies and Spiderman movies were awesome. Punisher was awesome. Daredevil and the Hulk sucked ass. And Fantastic Four will be awesome, because they AREN'T straying too far it seems yet. And they keep changing things closer to the comics, IE Doom's name. So I'll hold judgement until it comes out, thank you.

Well, I have to say that, yes, Daredevil did suck and it wasn't because it strayed from the comic books. In fact, it was one of the more faithful adaptations but it suffered from poor writing and direction.

I doubt that FF is going to be closer to the comics than that abomination was.
 
Plot outline:

-Reed begins working for old lab rival, Von Doom. Victor was Reed's rival and possibly smarter, but Victor couldn't afford his stay and with a part time job his grades slipt, then he had gotten money from some vague source...anyways he outdid Reed with funding but then disappeared awhile and re-emerged a businessman for tech labs. His assistant is the lovely Sue Storm, who both Reed and Victor lusted after for in college, but Reed won. They had a fude because Reed was too "self-involved" with his work. Anyway irony has its way and Reed ends up working FOR Victor in one of his labs.

-Reed develops a ship that could test the ability to travel through hyperspace, the speed of light. He works on this for years and greys some of his hair he strains over it, but he thinks he has it, and takes the information to NASA completely bypassing Victor and Sue. NASA wants to see it done, but an angered Victor demands he be part of the exploration. The pilots are as luck would have it Reed and Sue pulled strings with Reed's old friend in areospace, worn Ben Grimm to pilot, and his co-pilot is the new hot shot, Johnny Storm, Sue's brother. Well Victor remarks "Isn't this one big happy family."

-Victor has been hitting on Sue on/off for the most of the movie to this point, and while attracted to his genius, she doesn't want him, she obviously has unresolved feelings for Reed. Anyway the shuttle goes off and they begin experimenting as they orbit the earth. Well the thing goes into hyperdrive all right, but it is unsteady, Reed calculated wrong, and next thing you know they are crashing into the Atlantic, or Pacific, or whatever you want. Reed is trying to get the emergency controls to work but they won't. Victor calls him a fool and throws Reed out of the way and starts smashing the controls, they blow up in his face and Victor gets caught under burning and scolding metal with flames. The rest get thrown to the back of the ship. This causes the back to lose its weight limit and as it smashes, the gamma battery cell energy engulfs them for only several seconds (what created "hyperspace."). Johnny falls out of the back and flies through the air and burning flames from the ship! Rocks that Ben brought into space to sell, his own greed, crush him when the ship broke in two, too. Reed reaches his arm to its full extent and flips on the switch, as Sue disappears into the smoke. The switch causes the emergency parachuetes to save the capsul.

-Johnny somehow was alive, he did not know how, he just swimmed to the capsul though, and he couldn't reach the door, Sue was crying trying to reach him, but Reed reaches down and as nothing it seems his arm went an extra foot, but you can't be sure, and pulls Johnny in. US choppers come and take all five, with Doom in critical, to the nearest military hospital.

-Once there they are interrigated on what happened and scientists begins running tests on them. Meanwhile Von Doom is completely unradiated, but usless, he is just lying comatose almost in a complete body covered in bandages hiding most of the burns, he has burnt off his nervous system and can feel nothing. He is shipped back to New York on his lawyer's request...it seems over for him now.

-Slowly under military care they begin manifesting powers. The military is scared at first...but only at first...they want to train them....as a weapon squad if you will. And as they learn to use their powers under military supervision, the hot head Johnny Storm flies off and alerts the News media of their existence.

-The military wants them arrested and put away with public knowledge but Johnny had gone on and was an instant celeberity immeadietly. And in a cynical way the military relents. It is better to be seen as friends with the new publicity stunt than the enemy and lets the foursome go as celeberities instead of weapons.

I will continue shortly.
 
Oh and to adress The Thing:

-He was retired and Reed convinced him to come back for this "time changing event." Reed and Ben are strained and Ben has kind of distant himself (like the unspeaking Victor) from Reed.

Anyways:

-They get back to New York, and become a US/UN publicity stunt. They get the Baxter Building and are given whatever equipment (which is tons) that Reed wants, as he tries to cure Ben. Johnny becomes the "Human Tourch" as he had saved someone's life when he introduced himself to the world he is now a part-time superhero between interviews. He also has a woman every he wants every different week and Ben is distilled.

-Ben is drinking in a bar hidden in a trenchcoat sunglasses and a hat. He grumbles and as he leaves a blind woman who has been trying to talk to him (who he ignored) touches his shoulder and feels rock, she pulls back and Ben grits at her. He then hears on the TV on how the Human Tourch is bravely chasing two runaway cars. It is coming right their way. The Thing runs out and sees Johnny down 5 blocks shoot one over with flames, but the other is getting away. The Thing throws off his coat and yells "It's clobbering time!" He then flips it over with a backslap from his hand. The blindgirl stands in the doorway and smiles at him.


-Cut to the reporters there and Johnny is getting all the attention, the Thing asks for an interview and nobody does they all just kind blow him off, Ben gets angry and storms off.

-Reed and Sue get romantic again, and she gives him the first half of the double lockete that the parents of Sue and Johnny left them. She and Johnny put them together once when they had gotten on at the shuttle. She wants Reed to have it.

-Every week Reed visits Victor (Sue only did once) and begs for Victor's forgivness in the hospital. Victor just stares at him with eyes full of massive hatred. Sue gave Reed the snowglobe (it began in winter when Reed started working for Victor, and Victor gave Sue a snowglobe of Manhattan, who gave him **** in return) and leaves it in Victor's hand. He holds it in his hand and smashes it.

-Victor flashes back to his life as a boy in Lavertia. How his parents wanted to bring democracy, yet the dictator's goon squad came and assassinated them. Victor escaped and came to America, he worked his way to the labs for scholarship, but his rival Reed Richards outdid them...he took a loan from the mob...after graduation he was suppose to pay them back, he couldn't and tried to disappear. The local bums found him and with the leader there, they tried to kill him, in flashes we see him stand up and with determination beat them, and then flashes of him taking power from the leader, giving it to another, but taking enough money to invest...which explains everything.

-We cut back to present and his hand crushes the glass cutting himself....but he feels nothing. He then takes the shard and when the doctor comes in, he sits up and kills the doctor with it and escapes.

-The FF search for Victor to no avail.

-The FF are to go on the Today show. At screening The Thing is told by a snobby assistant they only need the other three. Reed gets angry and barks him out, saying that Reed won't be on either then, but Ben just storms out saying "I don't need this crap anyways."

-Ben goes back to his bar and is drinking and the blind girl scoots over to him, her name is Alicia. They become friends and she semi-restores his self-confidence.

-Meanwhile the other three members get back that evening to the Baxter Building first. They find themselves each fall into a trap. Sue is gassed and knocked out. While Reed is trapped in an airvent and Johnny is trapped in a small box if you will, he walks into that is freezing cold and he can't flame on, or fly. Johnny is freezing to death. Johnny is in great danger.

-Ben comes in and Victor mutters to himself, so the last quarter comes. He goes into his room, and then the walls fly off and he is trapped in a wall of mirrors, slowly closing in to crush him, and he looks up and painted/transplanted on the celling he sees his old face painted on. Reed has to watch this in horror, as in an intercom Victor mentally tortures Reed on what he is seeing.

-Reed blames himself, and the mirrors crush Ben, but Ben isn't dead, the walls shatter around him in a comic moment, Victor realizes he miscalculated The Thing's strength. The Thing smashes through and in the next room he finds Johnny dying, and says "I'm gonna' regret this" and saves Johnny's life. "DAMN!" Yells Victor, who then releases Reed on purpose.

They all regroup in a narrow hallway. Just then the intercom comes on. Victor explains they did very good, but to no avail, now they must find their calculated death. Then his early clumsy killing machines come running down the hall. Just motor machines we have now, but with machine guns mounted to them and rocket/gernade launchers. It blasts them all new ones.

-The floor collapses between them and they seem to fall to their deaths. Victor mutters to himself "too easy." He turns to a comatose Sue Storm who is kindly asleep in a chamber with machines covering her ears, mouth, and eyes, and liquid is covering her body and suit. "Hurry...we have work to do....together."

-The Fantastic Three (heheh) drift in the waters of the sewers, and The Thing pulls an out of conscienceness Johnny and Reed, proving himself more than they could have imagined in this form.

-Johnny and Reed wake up in a cheap motel room. The Thing sits in a broken chair from his weight. "Huh?" they both basically ask. Ben explains that Victor Von Doom thinks they are dead, so dead they must stay. Not until they gather their thoughts and know what Victor is doing now that his twig has snapped. Johnny wants to go to war with Victor, but Thing pushes him down, "You ain't strong enough kid 1), and I love Sue too, but 2) he'd kick your ass again and I ain't gonna' save you next time.! Got it?!" Reed is amazed at how smart Ben is and the bratish almost Johnny finally sees what must be done, even if his sister is at risk.

-We see a scared back of head sitting in a tone, in homage to ESB, Sue stands by behind him and hands him a metal helmet, and Doom dawns it and throws a cape and hood over it. He then stands up and says "It is time."

-The airwaves on all channels tune in to him, as he takes over the satallites, and even the big screen in Times Square watches it. He announces himself to the world as Dr. Doom, he announces war to the world! He threatens the UN help him take Lavertia and its people back, or he will destroy Manhattan with a nuclear bomb he built, and it will be the first of many. He starts naming cities, London, Paris, Rome, Sydney, and in that order.

-With the world at threat, the UN can't neogtiate with terrorism, but they know not what to do. The US military surronds with police and FBI the Baxter Building.

-A Special Forces team goes inside (they can't bomb it because that would set off a nuclear bomb) and they get seperated in two dark rooms. They shoot and their own bullets start hitting them, with cameras on nightvision the world watches as they kill themselves, and when some are left gas is ingested in and the last fall.

-Doom returns on screen, "I'll let that one go, next time y'all oppose Dr. Doom, you shall be doomed!"

The F3 are astounded. We have to stop him says Reed, as he sees a lifeless in the eyes Sue stand by Doom's side as his "bride."

-The Thing asks if they are willing to do this, because chances are they will end up like those Special Forces guys. The Thing doesn't care, he is like this anyways. Reed says he's with Ben to the end, and he must do this for Sue. Johnny puts his hand on top of the other two, saying "I ain't going to leave my sister with him!"

-So they sneak in from the bottom up into the Baxter Building.

-To be continued.
 
Well join the legions of doom lovers then, because they don't either.....
 
DACrowe, you rock.

I hope you would have more screentime and "fantastic" displays of power from the main characters than you're describing here.

"I'll let that one go, next time y'all oppose Dr. Doom, you shall be doomed!"
That was a joke, right?
 
albafan said:
Well join the legions of doom lovers then, because they don't either.....

Yes...join us...praise the name of DOOM! ;)
 
doom kickass but not the movie version. i'll join the legions of doom lovers.
 
Doom show yourself - What do you look like in the upcoming movie??
 
Is this plot outline the actual plotline or is it a fan script idea ? If so, that is really good !
 

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