I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[TheSaintofKillers]

This Doom talk will continue to go in circles. Bottom line is Tim Story, Avi Arad, and the writers dropped the ball with the character. Now we have to live with it.

I never had full confidence in Story to begin with, and now I see why......

Actually, i'd say it's more because someone low profile like Story probably doesn't have much powers or influence in the production of the movie. If studios wanted Movie Doom to be the way he is, I doubt he could change much. He was probably as much hire because of his skills and as much for his low status (i.e. they can easily control him).

 

[Herr Logan]

This Doom talk will continue to go in circles. Bottom line is Tim Story, Avi Arad, and the writers dropped the ball with the character. Now we have to live with it.

I never had full confidence in Story to begin with, and now I see why......

Unless you had any inclination to give Story confidence that he would make decisions that would override those of Avi Arad and cronies, this can't really be construed as his fault at present time.

I hold Sam Raimi accountable for a good portion of the failures in the Spider-Man films because he saw fit to fill up the first one with numerous in-jokes and allusions to his other work, and for comments he made regarding his take on the story. Even if Arad put him up to saying those things, Raimi went further than he had to in order to claim this movie as his labor of love, thereby inviting blame for his part in all this. Bryan Singer is similarly culpable for the pretentious and dishonest things he said in interviews.

I haven't heard much from Story except for basic summaries of what would be included in this film. If I see more comments from him that are dishonest or claiming a credible amount of responsibility, I'll be more than happy to blame him as much as Arad.
As it is, he comes off like a puppet. Perhaps Arad and others at Marvel Films and Fox have access to radioactive clay from Wundagore or are holding his family hostage. Or he's just a spineless sell-out with nothing to offer but a convenient target.

 

[Saph]

You said that no other main superhero character was given a trench coat. I proved you wrong with an example and supporting information to verify Cyclops' status as a "main superhero character."
And yes, Nightcrawler counts (everyone sucked into this trend counts), although he's not necessary to disprove what you said earlier.

No other main superhero character has been given a trenchcoat to update the costume is what I said. Cyclops wasn't wearing his trenchcoat on a mission, was he? If he was you'd have plenty of reason to moan and *****, but he didn't. It was basically, JUST A COAT.

It doesn't matter whether or not Movie!Cyclops wore his trenchcoat outside (isn't that what people with coats in general?) or inside. He was given a trenchcoat in "X-Men 2."
This is not the same as giving Movie!Spider-Man a long coat to wear at a funeral over his civvies, this is putting a trench coat on the first X-Man while he was inside a prison facility while he is in costume, when a trench coat has never been a part of Cyclops' costume, outside or inside.

But Cyclops wasn't in action. He was taking Professor X to see Magneto. The trenchcoat wasn't a part of his costume, it was as you say, why people wear coats in general.

It also doesn't matter if Movie!Doom's coat can be officially called "part of his costume or not," especially since we have no confirmation that Movie!Doom has any "official" costume. He's wearing it in the promo pics, he'll be wearing it in the movie, and his action figures are wearing it. That definitively means that Movie!Doom is wearing a trench coat in this film and that the trench coat is being used to sell Doom to prospective audience members as much as anything else shown in a promo picture.

But Dooms trenchcoat doesn't look like any other trenchcoat i've seen wore in a movie. It has gold buttons, and is a dirty green. It's not even his final costume, which is a part of the third act, which is being kept secret from the public. That's why this Doom incarnation is being used for action figures, except the Lego figure (which are hardly detailed anyway).

 

[Everyman]

He does? I beg to differ on that one.

In the trailer, he sure looked like a Mexican wrestler.

 

[HerosOnFilm]

The way I see it, we're not too far off from having an actual superhero named "Trenchcoat" at some point, LOL. "The Crow" seemed to start the trend. Everyone says we'll see the cape in the movie...I'm starting to wonder if these are the same people that think the Thing will still have his trademark brow. A cape and a trenchcoat? Seems like like overkill. I don't think we'll be seeing the Doom cape, folks. What do you think?

 

[Milkman95]

I stand corrected Herr, Story is a puppet, and that's why they hired him. He also came cheap since he's inexperienced.........

 

[Herr Logan]

No other main superhero character has been given a trenchcoat to update the costume is what I said. Cyclops wasn't wearing his trenchcoat on a mission, was he? If he was you'd have plenty of reason to moan and *****, but he didn't. It was basically, JUST A COAT.


But Cyclops wasn't in action. He was taking Professor X to see Magneto. The trenchcoat wasn't a part of his costume, it was as you say, why people wear coats in general.



But Dooms trenchcoat doesn't look like any other trenchcoat i've seen wore in a movie. It has gold buttons, and is a dirty green. It's not even his final costume, which is a part of the third act, which is being kept secret from the public. That's why this Doom incarnation is being used for action figures, except the Lego figure (which are hardly detailed anyway).

I'm sorry. That's not good enough.

Movie!Cyclops wears a costume hot enough to make Marsden literally pass out after a day of filming so that he needs to be carried to his trailer. He's not keeping warm, he's keeping an image that focus groups tell studios works better with the public.
If Cyclops was in civilian clothing, he wouldn't be wearing black leather at all and wouldn't be wearing his battle visor. Since he was wearing both, that argument is invalid. He was accompanying Xavier on a fact-finding mission, in full battle gear, ready for trouble.

 

[Herr Logan]

The way I see it, we're not too far off from having an actual superhero named "Trenchcoat" at some point, LOL. "The Crow" seemed to start the trend. Everyone says we'll see the cape in the movie...I'm starting to wonder if these are the same people that think the Thing will still have his trademark brow. A cape and a trenchcoat? Seems like like overkill. I don't think we'll be seeing the Doom cape, folks. What do you think?

I think there's a good chance we'll be seeing Brandon Routh wearing a red trench coat over a dark blue leather bodysuit in "Superman Returns."

I wish I was joking.

 

[Saph]

The way I see it, we're not too far off from having an actual superhero named "Trenchcoat" at some point, LOL. "The Crow" seemed to start the trend. Everyone says we'll see the cape in the movie...I'm starting to wonder if these are the same people that think the Thing will still have his trademark brow. A cape and a trenchcoat? Seems like like overkill. I don't think we'll be seeing the Doom cape, folks. What do you think?

The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, hardly anyone has even heard of the crow.

No Superhero has been given a trenchcoat as part of their actual costume before, if they have it fits the character, or the character wore it in the comics.

The thing has his brow, seen most noticably in the International trailer when he says 'not a problem'.

Who said he wore a cape over his trenchcoat? I think, and KNOW he will be wearing the comic doom attire. Confirmed by the Lego toy, which is part of a lego set that shows part of the third act.

 

[Herr Logan]

The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, hardly anyone has even heard of the crow.

No Superhero has been given a trenchcoat as part of their actual costume before, if they have it fits the character, or the character wore it in the comics.

The thing has his brow, seen most noticably in the International trailer when he says 'not a problem'.

Who said he wore a cape over his trenchcoat? I think, and KNOW he will be wearing the comic doom attire. Confirmed by the Lego toy, which is part of a lego set that shows part of the third act.

Saph, what is it about this movie that makes you so defensive? Why are you giving the same kind of arguments that the more civil Spider-Man movie apologists would make?

 

[Saph]

I'm sorry. That's not good enough.

Movie!Cyclops wears a costume hot enough to make Marsden literally pass out after a day of filming so that he needs to be carried to his trailer. He's not keeping warm, he's keeping an image that focus groups tell studios works better with the public.
If Cyclops was in civilian clothing, he wouldn't be wearing black leather at all and wouldn't be wearing his battle visor. Since he was wearing both, that argument is invalid. He was accompanying Xavier on a fact-finding mission, in full battle gear, ready for trouble.

Of couse Cyclops had his visor and costume on, he was visiting MAGNETO, if anthing went wrong, Cyclops would be able to throw off his coat, and battle.

I should rephrase my 'mission' statement, it wasn't a mission like the other X-Men were going on, a battle wasn't expected. This was a mission, but it wasn't one where Cyclops would run in, kick Magneto in the face and incarcarate him. He was basically a bodyguard/chauffer.

 

[Saph]

Saph, what is it about this movie that makes you so defensive? Why are you giving the same kind of arguments that the more civil Spider-Man movie apologists would make?

Because I haven't seen it yet, that's why. Notice i've never made a statement saying 'it's for a wider audience' or 'it's more realistic that way'. The only thing that's remotely wrong in this movie is Doom, if it was an utter bastardisation all round then i'd probably be right with you, fighting off defenders, but the good outweighs the bad by FOUR TIMES, and all the things about doom you fear have either been disproved, or not confirmed, except the organic armour and electricity, which I don't think affects his character in the slightest.

 

[Saph]

Look, if this isn't false advertising (which I don't think wizard is incapable of) then next issue we'll find out more about Doom. It could make you like this Doom more, or make me hate movie Doom. Or it could just be a load of hogwash and repeats of things we already know.

 

[Milkman95]

Time will tell. From the info we have right now, they dropped the ball with the character......

 

[HerosOnFilm]

The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, hardly anyone has even heard of the crow.

No Superhero has been given a trenchcoat as part of their actual costume before, if they have it fits the character, or the character wore it in the comics.

The thing has his brow, seen most noticably in the International trailer when he says 'not a problem'.

Who said he wore a cape over his trenchcoat? I think, and KNOW he will be wearing the comic doom attire. Confirmed by the Lego toy, which is part of a lego set that shows part of the third act.

You guys must be too young to remember The Crow. Just kidding. Pick up the graphic novel, it's excellent. Yes, The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, but there are superheroes who have it as part of their costume: Blade (movie Blade) most notably, Static Shock from the popular WB cartoon...you can make the case for Gambit...I know there are others.

I haven't seen the international trailer yet, so I don't know that the brow is technically there. As for Doom...I stand by my prediction...we'll see.

 

[HerosOnFilm]

I think there's a good chance we'll be seeing Brandon Routh wearing a red trench coat over a dark blue leather bodysuit in "Superman Returns."

I wish I was joking.

That's hilarious!!

 

[Saph]

You guys must be too young to remember The Crow. Just kidding.

I'm talking as a normal person here, I doubt barely anyone would know the Crow movie if you asked them, and if they do know they wouldn't have known it was a comic book.

It didn't start any trend.

 

[Ulic Queldroma]

The Matrix made the trenchcoat famous, hardly anyone has even heard of the crow.

No Superhero has been given a trenchcoat as part of their actual costume before, if they have it fits the character, or the character wore it in the comics.

The thing has his brow, seen most noticably in the International trailer when he says 'not a problem'.

Who said he wore a cape over his trenchcoat? I think, and KNOW he will be wearing the comic doom attire. Confirmed by the Lego toy, which is part of a lego set that shows part of the third act.

Who knows? We may see him in tunic-wear at the end. Even if he doesn't, is that really a bad thing? I don't know.

 

[Kelly]

I don't know that I'm a normal person....not really sure what that is.... but I can officially say that I did not know that the Crow as a comic book......don't really know why I felt the need to tell people that.....but I just learned something new today........

 

[Caliber]

Who knows? We may see him in tunic-wear at the end. Even if he doesn't, is that really a bad thing? I don't know.

I rather Doom not have the tunic because people will laugh at him more than they already do.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't know that I'm a normal person....not really sure what that is.... but I can officially say that I did not know that the Crow as a comic book......don't really know why I felt the need to tell people that.....but I just learned something new today........

well as far as the trenhcoat goes its been around even before the crow,if you go back to Bladerunner and the first Terminator movie,the lead good guys wore trenchcoats as did the Rutger Hauer character in the Hitcher.I think the re-birth of it was the crow then blade then the Matrix.All of whose directors were influenced by john woo and his film A Better tomorrow 2,where chow yun fat wore a trenchcoat and did the 2 gun shooting that all those movies also used

 

[Kelly]

well as far as the trenhcoat goes its been around even before the crow,if you go back to Bladerunner and the first Terminator movie,the lead good guys wore trenchcoats as did the Rutger Hauer character in the Hitcher.I think the re-birth of it was the crow then blade then the Matrix.All of whose directors were influenced by john woo and his film A Better tomorrow 2,where chow yun fat wore a trenchcoat and did the 2 gun shooting that all those movies also used

and you are telling me all of this because.................

 

[Paradoxium]

and you are telling me all of this because.................

It's pretty damn obvious.

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[Mister Sinister]

This Doom talk will continue to go in circles. Bottom line is Tim Story, Avi Arad, and the writers dropped the ball with the character. Now we have to live with it.

I never had full confidence in Story to begin with, and now I see why......

OH MY GOD, THIS PERSON HAS SEEN THE MOVIE AND IS NOW ABLE TO JUDGE THE QUALITY OF IT!!!

Click the bottom link in my sig.

 

[Milkman95]

OH MY GOD, THIS PERSON HAS SEEN THE MOVIE AND IS NOW ABLE TO JUDGE THE QUALITY OF IT!!!

Click the bottom link in my sig.

I'm not clicking anything. I've read the script, and have been up-to-date with all the possible changes. Sorry we don't share the same opinion, and because of that, I can see the future? What a joke.