I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[wetgorilla]

Well folks, it looks like what i've been saying about Doom is true. Everyone in doubt of Doom go to Lightnin's script review thread.

Oh, come on. Most of Lightnin's postings were commentaries describing his interpretation of what he wanted to conclude from the actions of the characters. Had he gone any further, Lightnin would have had to begin describing our emotions while reading his post (which isn't hard to do with some of us)

Victor's interest in Susan is already on the wane, because he realizes that she isn't worthy of him anyway. However, because Reed and Susan genuinely love eachother, Victor sees it as an opportunity to manipulate things to his favor.

In regards to Doom, some of us must be incredibly desperate for an FF2 movie to continue justifying the butchery that has been done here in order to keep the hype up.

Hey, Saph remember to wear your bright pink T-shirt with the words, What Lightnin Says Must Be True.

Wetgorilla

 

[Saph]

Oh, come on. Most of Lightnin's postings were commentaries describing his interpretation of what he wanted to conclude from the actions of the characters. Had he gone any further, Lightnin would have had to begin describing our emotions while reading his post (which isn't hard to do with some of us)

And you know this for sure? You know what Lightnin was thinking as he read the script? People can see right through you now, Wetgorilla. I think you want this film to fail. You talk about people always acting like everythings hunky-dory, well you're the other extreme. You act like everything sucks, and i'm getting sick of it.

In regards to Doom, some of us must be incredibly desperate for an FF2 movie to continue justifying the butchery that has been done here in order to keep the hype up.

Butchery you say? Ok, I'll believe you even though you've read an out of date script, have seen nothing except trailers that barely shows Doom at all, and basing your facts on rumours from 2 years ago!

Hey, Saph remember to wear your bright pink T-shirt with the words, What Lightnin Says Must Be True.

Wetgorilla

Actually, i'll be wearing my other t-shirt, What Wetgorilla Says Is Complete Tripe.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I take Lightnin's views on Doom in this script based off how i see him as a man.He has never been one to say everything is fine with Doom in this movie in fact he has displayed his displeasure at the changes many times.However he has always been a poster with integrity who is i believe respected by all even those that disagree with him on certain issues,So when he says that he believes Doom's character has been improved in this script i choose to trust someone who has never given me reason to doubt his word.Myself i agree with the consnesus that there were other ways to incorporate the traditional Doom Armour and origin however like Iron Maiden i made peace with this "elseworls" version of Doom a long time ago.For those that havent there is nothing wrong with that either,its all just how we personaly choose to deal with certain issues.It does seem at the very least despite the obvious UFF leaning they have incorporated much of classic doom's cruelty/malevolance/Arrogance and vanity into the movie version.

 

[Kelly]

Oh, come on. Most of Lightnin's postings were commentaries describing his interpretation of what he wanted to conclude from the actions of the characters. Had he gone any further, Lightnin would have had to begin describing our emotions while reading his post (which isn't hard to do with some of us)



In regards to Doom, some of us must be incredibly desperate for an FF2 movie to continue justifying the butchery that has been done here in order to keep the hype up.

Hey, Saph remember to wear your bright pink T-shirt with the words, What Lightnin Says Must Be True.

Wetgorilla

Describing peoples emotions could prove to be very difficult....but describing your motives behind your posts is really pretty easy....and several have done that over the course of a few months....but your posts actually speak for themselves....people see through your posts WG...they really do.

 

[Megatron]

Oh, come on. Most of Lightnin's postings were commentaries describing his interpretation of what he wanted to conclude from the actions of the characters. Had he gone any further, Lightnin would have had to begin describing our emotions while reading his post (which isn't hard to do with some of us) ...

some people are ingrates and need to learn some manners. you're contorting a good intention.
you did a great job, lightnin, and the rest of us appreciate your review!

 

[Kmack]

Hey, Saph remember to wear your bright pink T-shirt with the words, What Lightnin Says Must Be True.

Wetgorilla

Wet, I love you and all but I have to call you out on this one

That’s totally unfair. Lightnin not only said that he believes this movie will do well but he actually took time to write a fricking review (a very convincing one mind you) explaining WHY. Someone agreeing with this doesn’t necessarily mean they think that the poster is always right.

I can’t speak for everyone but one reason why I agree with Lightnin on most occasions is because I’m horrible at explaining how I feel about a certain subject or topic. Heck, its frustrating for me just to write this post now Lightnin (almost) always take the words right out of my mouth, which results in the common “I totally agree” post. I know a few people in this forum who feel the same way. But that’s not to suggest that I don’t disagree with him, because I do in some cases

Actually you will find a lot of posters agreeing with Lightnin. Not because they think he’s “god” and everything he says must be true, but because he speaks for us and gives us hope.

 

[Saph]

Looks like people are seeing you for what you really are, Wetgorilla. You're all dried up. Just go away, because you're not contributing to this forum at all. All you do is moan and don't even acknowledge the good, and sometimes you hate things that are 100% faithful to the comics!

Please, just leave.

 

[Mrs. Fantastic]

This has been a public service announcement.

Mrs. F.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Lmao ^^^

 

[Kelly]

This has been a public service announcement.

Mrs. F.

OOOOHHHH MMMYYYYYY GGGGOOOOODDDDD!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO..........

well i think i'm going to have to stop drinking diet coke while reading posts....*goes to get paper towel* for the 3rd x this week......

 

[Kmack]

Wet, if you can manage to post your opinion and views in your posts without insulting anyone. You will find your stay at the Hype! a little more pleasant.

 

[Saph]

Wet, if you can manage to post your opinion and views in your posts without insulting anyone. You will find your stay at the Hype! a little more pleasant.

Don't forget to tell him to stop dogging on things he doesn't understand. Anybody who calls the FF costumes unfaithful obviously isn't thinking straight.

 

[Herr Logan]

I take Lightnin's views on Doom in this script based off how i see him as a man.He has never been one to say everything is fine with Doom in this movie in fact he has displayed his displeasure at the changes many times.However he has always been a poster with integrity who is i believe respected by all even those that disagree with him on certain issues,So when he says that he believes Doom's character has been improved in this script i choose to trust someone who has never given me reason to doubt his word.Myself i agree with the consnesus that there were other ways to incorporate the traditional Doom Armour and origin however like Iron Maiden i made peace with this "elseworls" version of Doom a long time ago.For those that havent there is nothing wrong with that either,its all just how we personaly choose to deal with certain issues.It does seem at the very least despite the obvious UFF leaning they have incorporated much of classic doom's cruelty/malevolance/Arrogance and vanity into the movie version.

I could never trust Lightnin fully when it comes to predicting how a comic book movie translation is going to turn out (because he's an optimist, and therefore is likely to render an interpretation that does not err on the side of caution), but I agree with what you said about him here. He's a man of integrity, he does his research, and he keeps the bull$hit to a minimum. I'm far more likely to trust him than I am someone who just goes on wishful thinking, and I certainly respect him more.

 

[Saph]

(because he's an optimist, and therefore is likely to render an interpretation that does not err on the side of caution)

Lightnin is not an optimist on the scale of Albafan, Herr. He wasn't extremely happy with Doom, until he read the script. He also was one of the main protesters when Jessica Alba was cast, although he now accepts her. I wouldn't call him someone that only sees the bright side. I think he likes what he is seeing, but not so much that anything bad he sees right through.

And being a Pessimist on the level of Wetgorilla (the mindset that everything sucks) wouldn't make the review any more factual, either.

 

[Kelly]

Lightnin is not an optimist on the scale of Albafan, Herr. He wasn't extremely happy with Doom, until he read the script. He also was one of the main protesters when Jessica Alba was cast, although he now accepts her. I wouldn't call him someone that only sees the bright side. I think he likes what he is seeing, but not so much that anything bad he sees right through.

And being a Pessimist on the level of Wetgorilla (the mindset that everything sucks) wouldn't make the review any more factual, either.

Would someone please show me one post where i have said this movie is going to be great, awesome, fantastic (excuse me), best movie, good movie, mediocre movie, bad movie....whatever movie......cause i'm really tired of my name be used out of context....its beginning to piss me off ALOT.....i actually have given my opinion on very little.....i haven't given my opinion on the trailers because i for the most part don't like any trailers....they irritate me....i haven't given much on the pics i've seen because they are just pics....the most i have EVER been optimistic on is the damn website....which to me is excellent.....and i will say so, and have.....BUT other than a sincere hope that this movie does well, and an affirmation here and there of the actors desire to do it right.....please take me off of any damn list whether it be positive, negative or WHATEVER.......

What you just did Saph in my eyes...is put me at the same level as WG except at the other end.....and thats just as much a slam in my eyes as anything WG has said to me.......whether you meant to or not....thats how i see it....

adios.....

 

[Saph]

Would someone please show me one post where i have said this movie is going to be great, awesome, fantastic (excuse me), best movie, good movie, mediocre movie, bad movie....whatever movie......cause i'm really tired of my name be used out of context....its beginning to piss me off ALOT.....i actually have given my opinion on very little.....i haven't given my opinion on the trailers because i for the most part don't like any trailers....they irritate me....i haven't given much on the pics i've seen because they are just pics....the most i have EVER been optimistic on is the damn website....which to me is excellent.....and i will say so, and have.....BUT other than a sincere hope that this movie does well, and an affirmation here and there of the actors desire to do it right.....please take me off of any damn list whether it be positive, negative or WHATEVER.......

I'm just saying you had an upbeat and positive attitude that's all..

I never meant to offend you.

 

[Herr Logan]

Don't forget to tell him to stop dogging on things he doesn't understand. Anybody who calls the FF costumes unfaithful obviously isn't thinking straight.

That's not really accurate, Saph. The issue of the Fantastic Four's costumes as far as I'm concerned is subjective. If there's an issue between a hardcore fan who says a costume isn't faithful and an ambivalent fan who says it is, I'd be more likely to give the hardcore fan the benefit of the doubt. Personally, I'm satisfied with the Moivie FF costumes, but I'm not as invested in them as some other people are, so I'm certainly not going to take my own reaction over a hardcore FF fan's.

 

[Mrs. Fantastic]

He's a man of integrity, he does his research, and he keeps the bull$hit to a minimum.

This is right on. Because of this, in his information that he has shared on the script, it's easy to discern the facts of what he's read, and separate them from his feelings about those facts. Both are in his writeup, but those seeking the facts of character treatment and arcs can find them and form their own opinions. That's why I found the writeups informative.

Mrs. F.

 

[Saph]

That's not really accurate, Saph. The issue of the Fantastic Four's costumes as far as I'm concerned is subjective. If there's an issue between a hardcore fan who says a costume isn't faithful and an ambivalent fan who says it is, I'd be more likely to give the hardcore fan the benefit of the doubt. Personally, I'm satisfied with the Moivie FF costumes, but I'm not as invested in them as some other people are, so I'm certainly not going to take my own reaction over a hardcore FF fan's.

You don't have to be a hardcore fan to see whether a costume is faithful or not, I mean the non-comic reading public will smell any changes to Superman and Batman's costumes, wouldn't they?

The Fantastic Four costume's always change. But they all have defining features; a black/white collar, gloves and boots. Blue suit, with the 4 emblem on it. The movie costumes have all of those qualities. What are so unfaithful about them.

 

[Cypher]

Oh, come on. Most of Lightnin's postings were commentaries describing his interpretation of what he wanted to conclude from the actions of the characters. Had he gone any further, Lightnin would have had to begin describing our emotions while reading his post (which isn't hard to do with some of us)



In regards to Doom, some of us must be incredibly desperate for an FF2 movie to continue justifying the butchery that has been done here in order to keep the hype up.

Hey, Saph remember to wear your bright pink T-shirt with the words, What Lightnin Says Must Be True.

Wetgorilla

I have to say you one thing. I love the FF Board and respect most people around here very much but I am really tired of you negative, often insulting posts. Eyerything you do around here is insulting or provoking people. I can´t remember that you have posted sth. that was nice to read or informative.
I don´t think that we need posting like yours here. So, please chance your attidude or stop posting around here.

 

[Herr Logan]

Lightnin is not an optimist on the scale of Albafan, Herr. He wasn't extremely happy with Doom, until he read the script. He also was one of the main protesters when Jessica Alba was cast, although he now accepts her. I wouldn't call him someone that only sees the bright side. I think he likes what he is seeing, but not so much that anything bad he sees right through.

And being a Pessimist on the level of Wetgorilla (the mindset that everything sucks) wouldn't make the review any more factual, either.

Lightnin doesn't have to be an optimist "on the scale of Albafan." I can't fully trust anybody whose natural inclination is to assume the best about something. Also, you might want to rethink how you describe her. She expresses positive feelings, not so much positive expectations in the strictest sense.

And you're absolutely right about the other side of the coin. Saph, maybe you should take a look at some of the posts you've written about the Spider-Man movies and see if you might also fall into that category yourself when it comes to certain movies.

 

[Saph]

And you're absolutely right about the other side of the coin. Saph, maybe you should take a look at some of the posts you've written about the Spider-Man movies and see if you might also fall into that category yourself when it comes to certain movies.

That's not an accurate comparison. I appreciate things about the Spidey movies; the costume, Doc Ock's look and how the tentacles are attached, the fight scenes, organic webbing, the look of the pumpkin bombs and glider, the concept of Goblin armour, how the webbing looks, J. Jonah Jameson, the ''I have a knack for that'' line.

However, Wetgorilla moans about things that he shouldn't be moaning about, and creating false problems. He'd probably moan about Human Torch's useage of ''flame on''.

 

[Herr Logan]

You don't have to be a hardcore fan to see whether a costume is faithful or not, I mean the non-comic reading public will smell any changes to Superman and Batman's costumes, wouldn't they?

The Fantastic Four costume's always change. But they all have defining features; a black/white collar, gloves and boots. Blue suit, with the 4 emblem on it. The movie costumes have all of those qualities. What are so unfaithful about them.

Saph, even the comic-reading community doesn't seem predominantly concerned with faithful Superman and Batman costumes, much less the non-readers. Where have you been?

I'm not arguing about the faithfulness of the FF movie costumes. I'm saying you haven't been very objective about this movie from the very beginning and you have proven beyond any doubt whatsoever that you're perfectly fine with certain changes that are unquestionably drastic and arguably cheap and unethical (DDINO), and your take on it isn't very reliable. My take on the costumes isn't very reliable, either, since I'm not as familiar with all the different incarnations.

 

[Herr Logan]

That's not an accurate comparison. I appreciate things about the Spidey movies; the costume, Doc Ock's look and how the tentacles are attached, the fight scenes, organic webbing, the look of the pumpkin bombs and glider, the concept of Goblin armour, how the webbing looks, J. Jonah Jameson, the ''I have a knack for that'' line.

However, Wetgorilla moans about things that he shouldn't be moaning about, and creating false problems. He'd probably moan about Human Torch's useage of ''flame on''.

You're not in a position to say what he should or should not be moaning about, especially when it comes to superhero costumes. That's an essential part of the genre and it's a visual medium.

Don't even start with "Flame on," because I'm absolutely confident that they'll find some way to demean both the line and the audience. If I'm wrong, fantastic. If not, then I was prepared for it.

You've made sweeping and absolute statements about the Spider-Man movies, Saph. You've made more absolutes than I ever did, and the posts I'm referring to don't include any exceptions for things you did like. I don't see why you can't admit you're just as fallible in this regard as any other passionate poster.

 

[Saph]

Saph, even the comic-reading community doesn't seem predominantly concerned with faithful Superman and Batman costumes, much less the non-readers. Where have you been?

It's because those idiots are justifying those changes with the general public, even though the general public could care less. Whether or not the public like the changes, they'll notice the changes.

I'm not arguing about the faithfulness of the FF movie costumes. I'm saying you haven't been very objective about this movie from the very beginning and you have proven beyond any doubt whatsoever that you're perfectly fine with certain changes that are unquestionably drastic and arguably cheap and unethical (DDINO)

You wanna know why I wasn't completely objective? Because we hadn't heard A THING about Doom other than he was a corporate businessman and had organic armour. And then we found out he was wearing the comic mask, and each new peice of information was reassuring. Then I noticed the similarities between Movie and Comic Doom, and guess what, they've been proved to be true.
You've also just proved a point, you would say you trusted a hardcore fan's opinion on the costumes; well Lightnins a hardcore fan of the FF, so wouldn't his view on the script be accurate?