I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Herr Logan]

You should ask the mods who it was, just for ****s and giggles .

I don't know about that...

For all I know, they were aiming at me when they killed that creature and simply hit the wrong one. Kind of like how Ben Reilly took a fatal hit from the Green Goblin as the villain tried to kill Peter Parker at the end of the Clone Saga. I don't want to push my luck.

 

[Boom]

I don't know about that...

For all I know, they were aiming at me when they killed that creature and simply hit the wrong one. Kind of like how Ben Reilly took a fatal hit from the Green Goblin as the villain tried to kill Peter Parker at the end of the Clone Saga. I don't want to push my luck.

I would have defended ya, had that been the case .

 

[Herr Logan]

I would have defended ya, had that been the case .

You're among the finest officers I've ever known, General Boom.

 

[lockjaw]

If you were any kind of bulldog, you'd have smelled that he wasn't even the same species as me.

Uhhh, Mr.Logan I'm in the "Non-Sporting" group as per the AKC (American Kennel Club) I'm more of a chillin on the couch or teleporting to the food bowl breed. I'm not much for hunting, tracking or even fighting for that matter. You see I get my mean looks from centuries-old breeding for an age-old bloodsport called Bull-Baiting. You see my ancestors were bred to fight bull's in a gladiator-style ring. Last one standing wins. These matches were not exclusive to bulls as they would also pit bears against us too. At the turn of the 18th century British Royalty outlawed bull baiting as cruel. They also took a shine to my breed resulting shortly after we became the "british" Bulldog. We became rather fashionable and spread thru out most of Europe we are an "old" breed which lends itself to our sweet nature and stable attitudes. Most modern "bully looking" breeds are actually from bulldogs. The pretentious French Bulldog and the German rat-chaser the Boxer are both examples of dog breeds originaly bred from bulldogs. I hope this was helpful and I'm glad we only have one of you again as that was rather sad Now, say something mean to me so things can go back to normal . . . ​

 

[Herr Logan]

Uhhh, Mr.Logan I'm in the "Non-Sporting" group as per the AKC (American Kennel Club) I'm more of a chillin on the couch or teleporting to the food bowl breed. I'm not much for hunting, tracking or even fighting for that matter. You see I get my mean looks from centuries-old breeding for an age-old bloodsport called Bull-Baiting. You see my ancestors were bred to fight bull's in a gladiator-style ring. Last one standing wins. These matches were not exclusive to bulls as they would also pit bears against us too. At the turn of the 18th century British Royalty outlawed bull baiting as cruel. They also took a shine to my breed resulting shortly after we became the "british" Bulldog. We became rather fashionable and spread thru out most of Europe we are an "old" breed which lends itself to our sweet nature and stable attitudes. Most modern "bully looking" breeds are actually from bulldogs. The pretentious French Bulldog and the German rat-chaser the Boxer are both examples of dog breeds originaly bred from bulldogs. I hope this was helpful and I'm glad we only have one of you again as that was rather sad Now, say something mean to me so things can go back to normal . . . ​

Say something mean, eh?

Hmm... Well, I'm too tired to come up with something truly scathing and offensive, so here's just a little something to tide you over:
Bad dog! Bad, ugly, jowly, over-sized dog!

 

[lockjaw]

. . . I'll take that!
​

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Good to see that we're all still alive. Herr Logan must've really pissed someone off.

 

[The Navigator]

They killed the vile thing right before I could click on the "report bad post" button. Then I clicked on a link in my user control panel that should have led to its profile and mine came up. Scared the crap out of me. It was like... maybe it's me after all... maybe I'm finally officially insane. But it was just because mine was the last post in that thread once they wiped the filthy creature out and I hadn't refreshed the window yet.

Weird. And creepy.

Who was this "other you?"

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

So Herr....

Does this mean the battle between us never came to a peaceful compromise??

 

[Head>On<Collider]

I wondered this weakend......Does anyone think there'd be a chance in the movie that Reed Richards would come up with the cure only to have Doom hijack it and see to it he alone gets cured, and then only wears the mask afterward to hide the one scar that reminds him of his once mutated condition, the one scar that would remind him of himself? At least this way, he's being the kind of manipulative, self important ruler he could be, plus brilliant enough to keep Reed and the others from healing; furthermore making this whole metal mutation nonsense only one out of many obstacles for Victor Von Doom. . I'm sorry, but I'm just trying to work with what's been done already and I don't see any route to recourse here with what's been done. I need some of your guy's help on this!

 

[Pookie Begins]

Oh wow, I just read up on Doom. being new to the whole Fantastic Four and their world and characters. And he by far is the coolest villain in all of comics. Hopefully the movie version lives up to his comic status.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I wondered this weakend......Does anyone think there'd be a chance in the movie that Reed Richards would come up with the cure only to have Doom hijack it and see to it he alone gets cured, and then only wears the mask afterward to hide the one scar that reminds him of his once mutated condition, the one scar that would remind him of himself? At least this way, he's being the kind of manipulative, self important ruler he could be, plus brilliant enough to keep Reed and the others from healing; furthermore making this whole metal mutation nonsense only one out of many obstacles for Victor Von Doom. . I'm sorry, but I'm just trying to work with what's been done already and I don't see any route to recourse here with what's been done. I need some of your guy's help on this!

Well, there is supposed to be an expose this week in Wizard on Doom. In it, I read that he does cure Ben of his mutation, but only to eliminate him as a potential force to reckon with as he takes out each of the FF. This is true to Vic's meglomaniac nature--his vision comes first above all others...and he only helps someone if there is something he can get out of it.

Something tells me that Ben would not accept the cure from Victor unless Victor has cured himself and is living proof that the cure works.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Well, there is supposed to be an expose this week in Wizard on Doom. In it, I read that he does cure Ben of his mutation, but only to eliminate him as a potential force to reckon with as he takes out each of the FF. This is true to Vic's meglomaniac nature--his vision comes first above all others...and he only helps someone if there is something he can get out of it.

Something tells me that Ben would not accept the cure from Victor unless Victor has cured himself and is living proof that the cure works.

He cures Ben, or tries to cure him? At least I knew I was on to something there. If this is what the magazine says, then there just may be a chance that Doom will be cured in the end. Wierd..... Why go there in the first place?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

He cures Ben, or tries to cure him? At least I knew I was on to something there. If this is what the magazine says, then there just may be a chance that Doom will be cured in the end. Wierd..... Why go there in the first place?

No, according to the article, he cures Ben. Ben then reverses the cure when he realizes that F4 is getting their arses kicked and that he's been duped by Vic.

Why go there in the first place? I guess because giving him organic metal/electro powers makes him more of a believable powerhouse against 4 cosmic-powered mutants in the eyes of an unfamiliar movie-going audience?

I mean, think about it: Since this is an origin film, he wouldn't have developed Doombots or have a base castle set up in Latveria, etc yet. So maybe Fox thinks this organic deal is a temporary way to get through the origin film to get Victor to where he needs to be in the sequel.

Personally I think it's stupid because they didn't HAVE to go with an origin film--they could've just started with this whole thing being already established, and cover the origin via flashbacks....but...

...whatever.

I don't like it, but my mentality now is if the end justifies the means, I can roll with it...even if it is too "Hollywooded" up.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

No, according to the article, he cures Ben. Ben then reverses the cure when he realizes that F4 is getting their arses kicked and that he's been duped by Vic.

Why go there in the first place? I guess because giving him organic metal/electro powers makes him more of a believable powerhouse against 4 cosmic-powered mutants in the eyes of an unfamiliar movie-going audience?

I mean, think about it: Since this is an origin film, he wouldn't have developed Doombots or have a base castle set up in Latveria, etc yet. So maybe Fox thinks this organic deal is a temporary way to get through the origin film to get Victor to where he needs to be in the sequel.

Personally I think it's stupid because they didn't HAVE to go with an origin film--they could've just started with this whole thing being already established, and cover the origin via flashbacks....but...

...whatever.

I don't like it, but my mentality now is if the end justifies the means, I can roll with it...even if it is too "Hollywooded" up.

I too think they should've left out his origin. They could've successfully done this, that, whatever... Basically, if he ends up cured, then we would all see him use his intellect as his weapon later; and the flaw I see in that is where they could've started there in the first place. The only means to justify this that comes to mind is, damnit, I can't really think of a way to fix this. I just can't get around them honoring UF4 and I know it's different strokes for different folks, but the fact that the two conficting stories' differences are so huge, makes this movie have to be put into a sink or swim position. I personally think they've chosen the sink position by choosing the mutation option. It does indeed make him a bigger powerhouse as far as believability goes, but the fact that they saw it as the best choice to go with rather than to, make Doom rely on his mind and his self deluded honor as the meglomaniac he is serving as his powers alone puts them out to be criticized and rightfully so.

So Ben has to make the choice to give up his cured state in order to save his friends huh? Doom being the one capable of curing him would make himself a possible curing... again, wierd. Do you suppose they're trying to change it in favor of setting recourse for Doom purists? Or do you think they're trying to.........what do you think?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I too think they should've left out his origin. They could've successfully done this, that, whatever... Basically, if he ends up cured, then we would all see him use his intellect as his weapon later; and the flaw I see in that is where they could've started there in the first place. The only means to justify this that comes to mind is, damnit, I can't really think of a way to fix this. I just can't get around them honoring UF4 and I know it's different strokes for different folks, but the fact that the two conficting stories' differences are so huge, makes this movie have to be put into a sink or swim position. I personally think they've chosen the sink position by choosing the mutation option. It does indeed make him a bigger powerhouse as far as believability goes, but the fact that they saw it as the best choice to go with rather than to, make Doom rely on his mind and his self deluded honor as the meglomaniac he is serving as his powers alone puts them out to be criticized and rightfully so.

So Ben has to make the choice to give up his cured state in order to save his friends huh? Doom being the one capable of curing him would make himself a possible curing... again, wierd. Do you suppose they're trying to change it in favor of setting recourse for Doom purists? Or do you think they're trying to.........what do you think?

Let's hope they realized they fugged up his character a la Warner Bros did with Catwoman and are reeling back to salvage it. Or they may have some other twists up their sleeve. It could've been handled a myriad of better ways, but it's Hollywood...and it changes its spots for no one.

Also, the only "UFF" flavor that is really present in this film is found in Doom. The FF themselves seem to be taking after the classic versions (they are not getting their powers via a Think Tank exposure, but rather in space via a cosmic storm).

 

[wobbly]

Regarding the Doom curing Ben deal...From everything I've heard so far I think it may well play out like this:

Reed is working on a cure for them all but falls just short (as he always did in the books) But Doom, whom no-one knows was also affected yet, takes Reeds ideas and is successful in making them work (in the books Doom did cure Ben at one time where Reed had failed).

He offers the cure to Ben (who doesnt know Victor has gone loopy yet) who leaps at the offer and it's only after the process and Bens humanity is restored that Doom reveals his own transformation and true intent (that's pretty much spelled out in that wizard spoiler). It's also clear from that spolier that this Doom is revelling in his new power, he isnt gonna give it up without a fight.

From there Doom will take down the rest of the FF, forcing Ben to to reverse the cure and become the Thing again for the final battle.

Now for that final battle this is more what I hope they have gone for, rather than it being anything I'm in any way sure of:
For whatever reasons simply taking Doom down isn't enough to stop his danger, perhaps his power is growing too much to a level where it could destroy the city or something (there was a mention a while back from the FX guys working on Doom that his power is "his undoing").
The only option for the FF is to use Doom's own cure on him which they try, but Doom himself tries to bugger up the process, causes a big explosion (destroying the device so Reed can't figure out what Doom did to it to make it work and it cant be used again) and once the smoke has cleared Doom appears to have dissapeared.

We find out in the closing scenes that he did survive, was indeed restored to human, but his face got torn apart in the process (and at least by the end we have a Doom thats closer to the comics). Now powerless, horribly disfigured and a wanted felon, Doom flees the country (as per that mention from our source of Doom being smuggled out of the country in a crate. Apparently on a ship bound for Latveria).

Well thats my best guess, atm

 

[The Navigator]

Let's hope they realized they fugged up his character a la Warner Bros did with Catwoman and are reeling back to salvage it. Or they may have some other twists up their sleeve. It could've been handled a myriad of better ways, but it's Hollywood...and it changes its spots for no one.

Also, the only "UFF" flavor that is really present in this film is found in Doom. The FF themselves seem to be taking after the classic versions (they are not getting their powers via a Think Tank exposure, but rather in space via a cosmic storm).

Hmm....interesting. But yes, we can all hope.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Let's hope they realized they fugged up his character a la Warner Bros did with Catwoman and are reeling back to salvage it. Or they may have some other twists up their sleeve. It could've been handled a myriad of better ways, but it's Hollywood...and it changes its spots for no one.

Also, the only "UFF" flavor that is really present in this film is found in Doom. The FF themselves seem to be taking after the classic versions (they are not getting their powers via a Think Tank exposure, but rather in space via a cosmic storm).

All I ask for is the main audiences to see the character he always was. There's no reason that they should walk away from the movie saying to themselves, "Damn! What an awesome villain!" just like the same thing happened to me when I became a Doom fan, even though it happened through the comics....... even if they screwed up the first 2/3rds of the film, it's never too late.........but that's IF HOLLYWOOD would only change it's spots for it's supporters. As a realist, I can only do the obvious and look at the obvious. By obvious, I must also include the fact that they went there in the first place.
As for UFF, you're right about them going with the villain as far as that goes. The differences are so big between the two Dooms that they sadly made their own bed came decision time. When they chose to appeal to the Ultimate Doom fans to the extent they did, I'm sure someone would've known the backlash it would cause and it has. They also included the arm candy, trophy wife thing looking like a love triangle to deal with, and the CEO being a means to an end appearing like they're appealing to "the apprentice" fans to deal with, and so forth.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Regarding the Doom curing Ben deal...From everything I've heard so far I think it may well play out like this:

Reed is working on a cure for them all but falls just short (as he always did in the books) But Doom, whom no-one knows was also affected yet, takes Reeds ideas and is successful in making them work (in the books Doom did cure Ben at one time where Reed had failed).

He offers the cure to Ben (who doesnt know Victor has gone loopy yet) who leaps at the offer and it's only after the process and Bens humanity is restored that Doom reveals his own transformation and true intent (that's pretty much spelled out in that wizard spoiler). It's also clear from that spolier that this Doom is revelling in his new power, he isnt gonna give it up without a fight.

From there Doom will take down the rest of the FF, forcing Ben to to reverse the cure and become the Thing again for the final battle.

Now for that final battle this is more what I hope they have gone for, rather than it being anything I'm in any way sure of:
For whatever reasons simply taking Doom down isn't enough to stop his danger, perhaps his power is growing too much to a level where it could destroy the city or something (there was a mention a while back from the FX guys working on Doom that his power is "his undoing").
The only option for the FF is to use Doom's own cure on him which they try, but Doom himself tries to bugger up the process, causes a big explosion (destroying the device so Reed can't figure out what Doom did to it to make it work and it cant be used again) and once the smoke has cleared Doom appears to have dissapeared.

We find out in the closing scenes that he did survive, was indeed restored to human, but his face got torn apart in the process (and at least by the end we have a Doom thats closer to the comics). Now powerless, horribly disfigured and a wanted felon, Doom flees the country (as per that mention from our source of Doom being smuggled out of the country in a crate. Apparently on a ship bound for Latveria).

Well thats my best guess, atm

What's confusing about this is that it doesn't tell whether Doom wants the power or not. Is he not giving it up without a fight from himself? Please explain.

 

[wobbly]

What's confusing about this is that it doesn't tell whether Doom wants the power or not. Is he not giving it up without a fight from himself? Please explain.

The quote from the spoiler where Doom has cured Ben and then reveals his own transformation to a stunned Ben has Doom saying: "This is what a man looks like who embraces his destiny".

Seems clear to me that at least by that stage of the movie Doom does want his power and has no intention of using the cure on himself. The cure he devises seems to be intended only for use on the FF, the only people he possibly perceives as being powerful enough to stop him in his ultimate goal (whatever that may be).

 

[wobbly]

This is the Wizard stuff I was on about:

"No one challenges Doom.

Never one to be trifled with, Doctor Doom has truly earned his infamy as one of the great comic book villains of all time.

That’s why Doom was the natural choice to square off against the Fantastic Four in this summer’s movie blockbuster “Fantastic Four” from 20th Century Fox, hitting theaters on July 8.

And Wizard was willing to risk earning Doom’s wrath by infiltrating the Vancouver set of “Fantastic Four” to bring back the inside story on the look, the back story and the personality of the character that actor Julian McMahon will bring to life—complete with that special dash of darkness that will make the good doctor so bad.

For your first—and most comprehensive—in-depth look at Doctor Doom, pick up Wizard’s Mega Movie Issue, hitting comic stores March 9. The special 13th issue of Wizard—a regular issue for all you completists—marks a historical first for Wizard Entertainment, packed with over 150 pages of comic movie coverage.

Though he opens the movie as a handsome billionaire industrialist, the disfigured psychopath comic fans know so well comes to life with an ill-fated voyage into space by Victor Von Doom.

That is when we get to see Dr. Doom’s frightening presence. Wrap a ruthless madman in a cloak and a mask and you’ve got something wet-your-shorts scary. Think Darth Vader times two.

“It’s an interesting concept, a man of that kind of status being stripped and burned,” McMahon said. “This guy has billions of dollars, power and the ability to do whatever he wants, and we get to see the dismantling of that man. You see what happens to him psychologically, which affects what happens to him physically, and how he deals with the Fantastic Four.”

That includes a classic confrontation between Dr. Doom and the Thing, when the not-so-good doctor looks to defeat Ben Grimm by giving him exactly what he wants.

“All he wants is to be himself again, to be free of the Thing,” said actor Michael Chiklis, who dons the foam rubber to play the Thing. “And he is in this scene, at last, but he quickly realizes he’s been duped, and the reason Victor’s been so helpful is to get rid of one of the four of us—the one that could give him a lot of physical problems in terms of his strength.”

Victor shocks Ben with is own transformation, and we start to see the very bad man we came for.

“Take a good look, Ben,” Doom tells the all-too-human hero. “This is what a man looks like who embraces his destiny.”

Then Von Doom backhands Grimm, sending him crashing into a computer bank."

 

[Head>On<Collider]

"No one challenges Doom.

Never one to be trifled with, Doctor Doom has truly earned his infamy as one of the great comic book villains of all time.

That’s why Doom was the natural choice to square off against the Fantastic Four in this summer’s movie blockbuster “Fantastic Four” from 20th Century Fox, hitting theaters on July 8.

And Wizard was willing to risk earning Doom’s wrath by infiltrating the Vancouver set of “Fantastic Four” to bring back the inside story on the look, the back story and the personality of the character that actor Julian McMahon will bring to life—complete with that special dash of darkness that will make the good doctor so bad.

For your first—and most comprehensive—in-depth look at Doctor Doom, pick up Wizard’s Mega Movie Issue, hitting comic stores March 9. The special 13th issue of Wizard—a regular issue for all you completists—marks a historical first for Wizard Entertainment, packed with over 150 pages of comic movie coverage.

Though he opens the movie as a handsome billionaire industrialist, the disfigured psychopath comic fans know so well comes to life with an ill-fated voyage into space by Victor Von Doom.

That is when we get to see Dr. Doom’s frightening presence. Wrap a ruthless madman in a cloak and a mask and you’ve got something wet-your-shorts scary. Think Darth Vader times two.

“It’s an interesting concept, a man of that kind of status being stripped and burned,” McMahon said. “This guy has billions of dollars, power and the ability to do whatever he wants, and we get to see the dismantling of that man. You see what happens to him psychologically, which affects what happens to him physically, and how he deals with the Fantastic Four.”

That includes a classic confrontation between Dr. Doom and the Thing, when the not-so-good doctor looks to defeat Ben Grimm by giving him exactly what he wants.

“All he wants is to be himself again, to be free of the Thing,” said actor Michael Chiklis, who dons the foam rubber to play the Thing. “And he is in this scene, at last, but he quickly realizes he’s been duped, and the reason Victor’s been so helpful is to get rid of one of the four of us—the one that could give him a lot of physical problems in terms of his strength.”

Victor shocks Ben with is own transformation, and we start to see the very bad man we came for.

“Take a good look, Ben,” Doom tells the all-too-human hero. “This is what a man looks like who embraces his destiny.”

Then Von Doom backhands Grimm, sending him crashing into a computer bank."

"Ill fated"....... they're embracing as well as advertizing his "ill-fated voyage" that causes his transformation as though it's the highlight of attributes of his villainy. It's Hollowman meets The Apprentice. I think we're stuck with oraganic metal Doom for a while folks.

 

[Slackerpower]

Doom is a Bad Ass Dicatator who takes crap from no one......Thats how it should be T

 

[Herr Logan]

Good to see that we're all still alive. Herr Logan must've really pissed someone off.

Who? Little ol' me? Since when do I ever do anything but bring sunshine and smiles to all who read my posts?