I Am Doom....discuss me [merged-2]

[Herr Logan]

Did I leave words out???? I honestly meant thank you.....

It's just a bit confusing, since people often end sentences with elipses when they're implying suspicion, uncertainty and so forth. I guess maybe you just end a lot of your sentences that way.

You're welcome.

 

[Kelly]

It's just a bit confusing, since people often end sentences with elipses when they're implying suspicion, uncertainty and so forth. I guess maybe you just end a lot of yoursentences that way.

You're welcome.

LMAO....HL when have I not used ......

 

[Herr Logan]

LMAO....HL when have I not used ......

Freakin' memory... It's not even a "tired" thing, it's always like this.

I remember now. You always forsake proper puntuaction in favor of that air of mystery.
God, I hope that if you grade papers or tests or whatever from your students, you don't leave elipses after all your comments. That could screw a whole lotta paranoid kids over.

 

[Kelly]

Freakin' memory... It's not even a "tired" thing, it's always like this.

I remember now. You always forsake proper puntuaction in favor of that air of mystery.
God, I hope that if you grade papers or tests or whatever from your students, you don't leave elipses after all your comments. That could screw a whole lotta paranoid kids over.

LMAO.......of course I do...no actually I don't...its a form of creative writing that I learned in college. When writing on paper your pen never comes up off the paper...even if your thought process, stops...your pen keeps you focused and so you simply loop until your next thought comes...

I write my lectures like that, but when they are put to power point there are no (...)...LOL

 

[Iron Maiden]

That's a familiar elipsis. That's fine. I don't expect anyone here to take me seriously, especially if I say something complimentary.

Now what's that supposed to mean.....

 

[Herr Logan]

Now what's that supposed to mean.....

Well, I thought albafan was being sarcastic or tentative in her response, as if she thought I was being sarcastic.

And I'm never sarcastic.

 

[Herr Logan]

LMAO.......of course I do...no actually I don't...its a form of creative writing that I learned in college. When writing on paper your pen never comes up off the paper...even if your thought process, stops...your pen keeps you focused and so you simply loop until your next thought comes...

I write my lectures like that, but when they are put to power point there are no (...)...LOL

Good. We've got enough neurotic, paranoid students walking around, waiting for the other shoe to drop.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Oh, now we're on the verge of feeding each other grapes and stuff
There's this joke I want to share with you guys... There's this town called Espanola, NM about a half hour drive from Santa Fe. It's full of chollos and low-riders. The joke goes as follows: What's the definition of an Espanola welcome?







When you enter the town, you get the $hit beaten out of you, and then an hour later, the same ones who beated the crap out of you are feeding you, giving you beer, and showing you pictures of their kids and so forth.....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Remember when this place used to be fun?

Now look at C. Lee's sticky at the top of OUR forum.

It's a damn shame...and embarrassing.

 

[Kelly]

Oh, now we're on the verge of feeding each other grapes and stuff
There's this joke I want to share with you guys... There's this town called Espanola, NM about a half hour drive from Santa Fe. It's full of chollos and low-riders. The joke goes as follows: What's the definition of an Espanola welcome?







When you enter the town, you get the $hit beaten out of you, and then an hour later, the same ones who beated the crap out of you are feeding you, giving you beer, and showing you pictures of their kids and so forth.....

I give what I'm given....as simple as that....

 

[Herr Logan]

Oh, now we're on the verge of feeding each other grapes and stuff
There's this joke I want to share with you guys... There's this town called Espanola, NM about a half hour drive from Santa Fe. It's full of chollos and low-riders. The joke goes as follows: What's the definition of an Espanola welcome?







When you enter the town, you get the $hit beaten out of you, and then an hour later, the same ones who beated the crap out of you are feeding you, giving you beer, and showing you pictures of their kids and so forth.....

Hmm... if I didn't have so damn many qualities in common with my parents, I'd consider the possibility that I was adopted and originally from Espanola.

What's that look for?

*smack* ...teach you to stare at me, like I'm some kinda maniac. How you like that? Huh?!

Mmm... pie. Here, you have some.

 

[Head>On<Collider]

Remember when this place used to be fun?

Now look at C. Lee's sticky at the top of OUR forum.

It's a damn shame...and embarrassing.

I love you man!!

 

[Head>On<Collider]

I give what I'm given....as simple as that....

Same here.

 

[wetgorilla]

You know what I actually agree w/ this....bottom line for me....I don't mind when people's opinions are different from mine, to me thats actually pretty cool...what I do mind and where many of us have a problem is when we are talked down too, and insulted because of our opinion...there lies the problem...everyone seems to think the problem is differing opinions...but for most of the so called "sheep" its not...its the degrading, insulting way we are viewed here on this board...(and not pointing a finger at you 09, I agree w/ your post)....but myself along w/ many others who are well-educated people...find it very insulting to be talked too, and about, in the manner that goes on here on this board, and is allowed to continue...and we are spoken to in this manner simply because we see the "glass as half-full, rather than half-empty" and choose to enjoy ourselves, and have fun on this forum...just because we see movie in a different light does not make us ignorant, it simply makes us different in our opinions....

It's also degrading and insulting to hear people refer to others as "trolls" or have people imply their viewpoints are more optimistic and genuine because they choose to "agree" rather than "disagree" with what they perceive to be a general consensus. Regardless of the analogies "some people" try to use, they always manage to sneak in a jab and draw a line.

It might be a good idea for the "sheep" to remember the "trolls" enjoy fellowship on this forum as well and defending a position doesn't constitue being "mean spirited".

Wetgorilla

 

[wetgorilla]

Let's discuss Doom. Shall we?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

It might be a good idea for the "sheep" to remember the "trolls" enjoy fellowship on this forum as well and defending a position doesn't constitue being "mean spirited".

This is true provided that the "position"--whatever it may be--is articulated in a way that dignifies others. It's not always about the "gift" per se, but rather the way it is packaged. Tact goes a long way around here.

And that's the crux of problem we are having in this forum of late, hence the warning C. just released.

 

[parkerpete]

I know. I am getting sloppy.

Too much stress and too little sleep lately. Gotta recharge, or lose my position as the Hype's "unofficial despot," as one hit-and-run plebeian coward was kind enough to call me recently.

You seem to be staying sharp, though. I'm downright proud.

And threatened.

Yes, I called you an unofficial despot. And ooooooooo.... you called me a chicken. Why, because I'm not brave enough to sit on my ass all day, calling people 'sheep' because they disagree with my pronouncements on how big the Thing's brow should be?

oooooooo, chicken...

 

[wetgorilla]

This is true provided that the "position"--whatever it may be--is articulated in a way that dignifies others. It's not always about the "gift" per se, but rather the way it is packaged. Tact goes a long way around here.

And that's the crux of problem we are having in this forum of late, hence the warning C. just released.

Articulation doesn't appear to be a favorite past time with individuals while praising this film. One-liners permeate threads like 20 Things Going Good and a hostile detest can be inferred from attacks on individuals like Orange9 and HerrLogan when they defend their perspectives in detail or when I post a commentary.

So, in those immortal words from that great philosopher and philanthropist, Rodney King....

Can't we all just get along?

Wetgorilla

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Articulation doesn't appear to be a favorite past time with individuals while praising this film. One-liners permeate threads like 20 Things Going Good and a hostile detest can be inferred from attacks on individuals like Orange9 and HerrLogan when they defend their perspectives in detail or when I post a commentary.

So, in those immortal words from that great philosopher and philanthropist, Rodney King....

Can't we all just get along?

Wetgorilla

Let's be objective: Everyone here is capable of being both guilty and a victim--and in this vein neither you or anyone else you've mentioned is "above" that reality. Frankly, the attacks you speak of are charted on a two-way street. So while articulation may not always be a "passtime of those supporting" this film, ironically enough, it also frequently fails those who attack it.

This forum remains a sophisticated group of posters, but the problem lies in respect--bottom line. Whether fans are drawn here because they love the FF, an actor in the film, or just enjoy superhero movies in general, they have a place here. Tolerance is a quality that some here need to master--especially when dealing with those who do not fit their definition of a "true fan." Then--and only then--will people truly get along.

The process begins with self-examination, not pinning the tail on other people's proverbial donkeys.

 

[Kelly]

Don't worry about it Lightnin these are points that simply won't get through in some areas....some will get it some won't....thats the world....and we can try and put it into different words all we want, in hopes that people will get it....reality is some won't.

P.S. and thats ok i guess cause thats the world...

 

[Herr Logan]

Yes, I called you an unofficial despot. And ooooooooo.... you called me a chicken. Why, because I'm not brave enough to sit on my ass all day, calling people 'sheep' because they disagree with my pronouncements on how big the Thing's brow should be?

oooooooo, chicken...

You failed again, Pete. I've never complained about the Thing's brow. Thank God you haven't changed.

 

[wetgorilla]

Let's be objective: Everyone here is capable of being both guilty and a victim--and in this vein neither you or anyone else you've mentioned is "above" that reality. Frankly, the attacks you speak of are charted on a two-way street. So while articulation may not always be a "passtime of those supporting" this film, ironically enough, it also frequently fails those who attack it.

This forum remains a sophisticated group of posters, but the problem lies in respect--bottom line. Whether fans are drawn here because they love the FF, an actor in the film, or just enjoy superhero movies in general, they have a place here. Tolerance is a quality that some here need to master--especially when dealing with those who do not fit their definition of a "true fan." Then--and only then--will people truly get along.

The process begins with self-examination, not pinning the tail on other people's proverbial donkeys.

Self-examination is always good for the soul especially when it shines light on pride. Too often people with good intentions become guilty contributors and facilitators of conflict when they enjoy the adulation of others playing "folow-the-leader" in these forums. Every mob has a central leader and it would do all of us here a world of good if everyone would start thinking for themselves.

The cat is fed, my woman is walking out the door and It's coffee time. I'm gonna get myself a running start.

Wetgorilla

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Self-examination is always good for the soul especially when it shines light on pride. Too often people with good intentions become guilty contributors and facilitators of conflict when they enjoy the adulation of others playing "folow-the-leader" in these forums. Every mob has a central leader and it would do all of us here a world of good to start thinking for themselves.

The cat is fed, my woman is walking out the door and It's coffee time. I'm gonna get myself a running start.

Wetgorilla

A blanket statement perhaps? Because it certainly doesn't apply to SHH.

Last time I checked, no forum on SHH has a "leader" and this one certainly is no exception. This is, and always has been a sophisticated group effort--light years away from anything present on other websites. That is what accounts for the family-like culture that dwells here. A few try to subvert that unity but...it's not happening. Why is that?

Because if one must pin a "badge of leadership" on anybody it would have to be Jack Kirby and Stan Lee. They are the true "leaders" and it is their visions and their imagination that we want to see preserved both in print and on film. We are "followers" of their material, and such passionate devotion is what keeps us coming here everyday. If we are "sheep" then Stan and Kirby are the shepherds--and that role doesn't rightfully belong to any particular poster here. Not Fox. And certainly not any uprooted plant(s).

Now, if Fox and Tim Story can follow the fan's example in this regard, we will be in for one helluva film on July 8th. But until then.....






Enjoy your coffee.

 

[Herr Logan]

A blanket statement perhaps? Because it certainly doesn't apply to SHH.

Last time I checked, no forum on SHH has a "leader" and this one certainly is no exception. This is, and always has been a sophisticated group effort--light years away from anything present on other websites. That is what accounts for the family-like culture that dwells here. A few try to subvert that unity but...it's not happening. Why is that?

Because if one must pin a "badge of leadership" on anybody it would have to be Jack Kirby and Stan Lee. They are the true "leaders" and it is their visions and their imagination that we want to see preserved both in print and on film. We are "followers" of their material, and such passionate devotion is what keeps us coming here everyday. If we are "sheep" then Stan and Kirby are the shepherds--and that role doesn't rightfully belong to any particular poster here. Not Fox. And certainly not any uprooted plant(s).

Now, if Fox and Tim Story can follow the fan's example in this regard, we will be in for one helluva film on July 8th. But until then.....

Enjoy your coffee.

Oh, come on, Lightnin. I think Wetgorilla was too definitive in his statements about mobs having a central leader (in riot situations, this is often not the case, for example), but you have to acknowledge that there are people that stand out on these boards as having a greater number of yes-men and yes/women offering congrats and adulations. From what I've seen in the FF forums, you and albafan seem to be elected prom king and queen. The disgusting thing is, a huge number of albafan's fans speak up with statements mainly about how "positive" she is. The same kind of thing happens with you, except not to the same degree, and you've offered more actual arguments pertaining to the subjects of controversy than "everyone's got their own opinion and disagreements between posters makes me so freakin' happy and educated" posts. I'm sure you feel differently, but it seems a bit shallow to laud someone for being simply cheerful and optimistic, and to do this constantly.

I have my own reasons for respecting both albafan and you, and I make sure to get the point across when I can. But you're not going to hear me shouting out praises for being positive and enthusiastic over a movie made my people that don't give a rat's ass about you, me or anyone but their own social and business circles.
I've insured that I will never become one of these beloved mob leaders that maintains a following of yes-men. Though there have been many people who backed me up just because I was willing to speak out against the majority and because I pack a punch in my posts, most posters who continue to support me here do so based on the actual substance of my posts, and not just a general emotional tone I tend to maintain. Considering this is the internet and most of us have never met each other, you'll have to take this statement as less than literal: When you're an a$$hole, you know who your friends really are.

The majority of the aforementioned so-called "sheep" on these boards (I'm quoting here, so don't go callin' C. Lee on my ass, dammit) are not following Stan Lee and Jack Kirby as their shepherds. The primary shepherds are producers and directors, and in the comic book forums, mainly current writers. It's extremely easy to pay lip service to Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby and any other legendary creator, and even to make it sound convincing. It's quite another to actually value the source material more than products shaped by current trends in entertainment. I consider myself someone who values those creators' work as some of the highest quality fiction, and for whatever reason, I've got an imagination similar enough to those creators' so that I can visualize those stories and characters (edited for time, of course) on the silver screen without a lot of alterations. That's not to say that I'm as creative as Stan and the rest, but having imagination is about either creating and clearly perceiving images from either an external source or one's own mind, or both. It's a bless and a curse, but it should never be criticized in and of itself just because the majority of humans on this planet have not been raised and conditioned to value it. Stan Lee, for example, is far more intelligent than most human beings and has (or had) an amazing gift for applying that intelligence in a constructive manner. That doesn't make him someone only a "fanboy" could respect. That makes him a remarkable figure in literary and entertainment history.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oh, come on, Lightnin. I think Wetgorilla was too definitive in his statements about mobs having a central leader (in riot situations, this is often not the case, for example), but you have to acknowledge that there are people that stand out on these boards as having a greater number of yes-men and yes/women offering congrats and adulations. From what I've seen in the FF forums, you and albafan seem to be elected prom king and queen. The disgusting thing is, a huge number of albafan's fans speak up with statements mainly about how "positive" she is. The same kind of thing happens with you, except not to the same degree, and you've offered more actual arguments pertaining to the subjects of controversy than "everyone's got their own opinion and disagreements between posters makes me so freakin' happy and educated" posts. I'm sure you feel differently, but it seems a bit shallow to laud someone for being simply cheerful and optimistic, and to do this constantly.

I have my own reasons for respecting both albafan and you, and I make sure to get the point across when I can. But you're not going to hear me shouting out praises for being positive and enthusiastic over a movie made my people that don't give a rat's ass about you, me or anyone but their own social and business circles.
I've insured that I will never become one of these beloved mob leaders that maintains a following of yes-men. Though there have been many people who backed me up just because I was willing to speak out against the majority and because I pack a punch in my posts, most posters who continue to support me here do so based on the actual substance of my posts, and not just a general emotional tone I tend to maintain. Considering this is the internet and most of us have never met each other, you'll have to take this statement as less than literal: When you're an a$$hole, you know who your friends really are.

The majority of the aforementioned so-called "sheep" on these boards (I'm quoting here, so don't go callin' C. Lee on my ass, dammit) are not following Stan Lee and Jack Kirby as their shepherds. The primary shepherds are producers and directors, and in the comic book forums, mainly current writers. It's extremely easy to pay lip service to Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby and any other legendary creator, and even to make it sound convincing. It's quite another to actually value the source material more than products shaped by current trends in entertainment. I consider myself someone who values those creators' work as some of the highest quality fiction, and for whatever reason, I've got an imagination similar enough to those creators' so that I can visualize those stories and characters (edited for time, of course) on the silver screen without a lot of alterations. That's not to say that I'm as creative as Stan and the rest, but having imagination is about either creating and clearly perceiving images from either an external source or one's own mind, or both. It's a bless and a curse, but it should never be criticized in and of itself just because the majority of humans on this planet have not been raised and conditioned to value it. Stan Lee, for example, is far more intelligent than most human beings and has (or had) an amazing gift for applying that intelligence in a constructive manner. That doesn't make him someone only a "fanboy" could respect. That makes him a remarkable figure in literary and entertainment history.

That's quite a post there Herr.

Even though I disagree with some segments of it, there is much I understand from it as well. I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I hardly consider myself the "leader" here. And, not to be coy, I doubt anyone else seriously views me in that light either.

Now, what I do try to do is make threads that make people think outside the box--and I believe that quality and quantity adds to a forum. I look at the examples of folks like Captain Stacy, Iron Maiden, Willie Lumpkin, Vartha etc., and see how they use their FF knowledge to educate and enlighten casual fans on the greatness that is Fantastic Four. I simply try to use my voice and knowledge in a similar vein.

But let's not get it twisted: while I may try to spark conversation, that definitely doesn't qualify me as "the leader". We have many talented and respected folks in this forum, and I am simply supporting them with what I know from collecting these books. And to be frank, I've PMed many a poster about labeling me as a "leader" anyway. This is a comic book discussion forum, so it's hardly that deep for me. Granted, I do wear a badge in everyday life, but not one for SHH.

I come here to discuss Fantastic Four--not to win a popularity contest. It's easy for those who are new here to assign alterior motives to some of us mainstays but...truth be told...High School ended for me....a long time ago.