Fant4stic "I am DOOM! What MODS Dare Stand Against Me!

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The bad critical and fan reaction to BATMAN AND ROBIN kept batman out of the theaters for 8 years. The bad critical and fan reaction to SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE kept Superman out of the theater for 19 years. Many on here who want to see a good interpretation of the FF fear that this movie will keep them from seeing a decent version for decades.
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I think this is simplifying it a bit. It wasn't the bad reaction to the franchise's last films, it was a general disinterest in superheroes on the part of movie studios, period.

There were plenty of Batman and Superman projects in development after those failed sequels, though. Several iterations of both Superman and Batman went into development at various stages. What kept them out of theatres was not neccessarily a lack of demand or interest for them from the public, but a lack of fully developed projects on the part of the studio.
 
The Guard said:
I think this is simplifying it a bit. It wasn't the bad reaction to the franchise's last films, it was a general disinterest in superheroes on the part of movie studios, period.

There were plenty of Batman and Superman projects in development after those failed sequels, though. Several iterations of both Superman and Batman went into development at various stages. What kept them out of theatres was not neccessarily a lack of demand or interest for them from the public, but a lack of fully developed projects on the part of the studio.
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Except just ONE year after B&R New Line Cinema was interested enough to distribute Blade and that blew up.

Then, about 2 years later, Fox released X-Men which ALSO blew the hell up.

It wasn't disinterest or lack of available projects for studios. It was ***** movies.
 
Hey it might be a great film. A great looking film, and I will watch it, when it comes out on DVD (in a department store lobby). I'm sorry, but I want to see Secret Wars. Maybe I was one of the few around this forum that was blown away during the summer of 1984 when Dr. Doom showed everyone in Marvel what a bada$$ he truly is, but unless you fans start becoming whiny against this, I am afraid this will be the norm. Please, boycott this drivel. Marvel is naked without FF Spiderman and X-men and Secret Wars needs to be created with all of the characters in tact. Don't you want to see Julia Carpenter in her awesome black Spiderwoman costume? I do.

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ThePhantasm said:
Why do people keep drawing analogies between this film and any Batman movie past or present? None of the analogies hold any water whatsoever... totally different situations.
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Cause Batman in the last 25years has been on film and TV continousily. With wild tones from the gothic Burton Films, to the comical Schumacher and the grounded Nolan. No other comic character has literally seen it all like he has. Other characters have failed movies but there tones have been relatively consistent. The Story films were very much in the Schumacher house of comedy.
 
Paradox1 said:
Cause Batman in the last 25years has been on film and TV continousily. With wild tones from the gothic Burton Films, to the comical Schumacher and the grounded Nolan. No other comic character has literally seen it all like he has. Other characters have failed movies but there tones have been relatively consistent. The Story films were very much in the Schumacher house of comedy.
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Exactly. That's why the analogy doesn't hold.
 
Plot details have allegedly leaked. I'm proud of you guys for not overreacting. It was a tough read. Oh lawd.

Some spoilers!

[BLACKOUT]Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.[/BLACKOUT]
 
Samuel Jackson said:
Plot details have allegedly leaked. I'm proud of you guys for not overreacting. It was a tough read. Oh lawd.

Some spoilers!

[BLACKOUT]Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.[/BLACKOUT]
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The entire alleged plot spoilers!



Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.

Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.

Victor Doomashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.

Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.

Storm takes them to the Baxter Building and creates containment suits for their powers. They begin to train. Reed and Storm also begin developing a way to revert the accident. Sue blames Reed for everything, but they eventually become friends and then a couple. Ben can switch off his powers when he's not in danger. Johnny changes colors based on heat intensity, and Sue has some borderline telekinetic thing. Reed is pretty much Reed.

Doom finds out that the four have acquired powers and becomes angry it's not him, so he comes up with a plan to break into the Baxter Building to access the N-Zone through the rebuild machine. As a distraction, he reprograms a bunch of stolen military drones, the "Doombots", to attack the building. The four come together as a team for the first time and save people.


Doom activates the machine and gets technopathy powers or something, basically energy blasts and making machines obey to him, and a fight ensues. The machine goes critical, and, in order to prevent it from exploding and destroying the city, the four push into it and Storm shuts it off.

There's a countdown before it reaches critical mass. Inside the N-Zone, the four battle Doom again, and manage to leave him trapped there after he disfigures himself soaking up too much power. The Four manage to escape, but Ben gets the blunt of it to protect Reed and can't switch back.

The machine is destroyed, Doom is gone, the four have learned to work as a team, and Reed vows to find a cure for Ben. And it ends there.
 
Hypothetically, if the movie is "well-made" apart from the facepalm plot, the potential is there for them to make an interesting arc for Doom.

For instance:
[BLACKOUT]- A series (3 or 4 or 5 films) where Doom is the only villain.
- film 1: begins slowly with "Doomashev" developing powers and rivalry with Reed. learning he's more than just a programmer/blogger/"hactivist" disfigures himself and dons mask.
- film 2: renounces everything about his previous character in favor of gathering more power. discovers his gypsy parentage and real name "Von Doom," begins delving into sorcery
- film 3: takes over Latveria and rules with an iron fist. Is finally Doctor Doom in all his glory.
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doubtful.
 
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Why do they keep calling this Fantastic Four? It just...blatantly isnt.
 
Samuel Jackson said:
The entire alleged plot spoilers!

Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.

Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.

Victor Doomashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.

Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.

Storm takes them to the Baxter Building and creates containment suits for their powers. They begin to train. Reed and Storm also begin developing a way to revert the accident. Sue blames Reed for everything, but they eventually become friends and then a couple. Ben can switch off his powers when he's not in danger. Johnny changes colors based on heat intensity, and Sue has some borderline telekinetic thing. Reed is pretty much Reed.

Doom finds out that the four have acquired powers and becomes angry it's not him, so he comes up with a plan to break into the Baxter Building to access the N-Zone through the rebuild machine. As a distraction, he reprograms a bunch of stolen military drones, the "Doombots", to attack the building. The four come together as a team for the first time and save people.


Doom activates the machine and gets technopathy powers or something, basically energy blasts and making machines obey to him, and a fight ensues. The machine goes critical, and, in order to prevent it from exploding and destroying the city, the four push into it and Storm shuts it off.

There's a countdown before it reaches critical mass. Inside the N-Zone, the four battle Doom again, and manage to leave him trapped there after he disfigures himself soaking up too much power. The Four manage to escape, but Ben gets the blunt of it to protect Reed and can't switch back.

The machine is destroyed, Doom is gone, the four have learned to work as a team, and Reed vows to find a cure for Ben. And it ends there.
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Somehow I hadn't seen this yet... wow, its even worse than I thought it'd be.

I mean... wow. I have no words.
 
It pretty much confirms that this version of Doom is just as bad as we feared.
 
Rorschach2012 said:
tbh it doesn't sound horrible
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Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.

Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.

Victor Domashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.

Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.
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Yes, it really does.
 
ThePhantasm said:
Why do people keep drawing analogies between this film and any Batman movie past or present? None of the analogies hold any water whatsoever... totally different situations.
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C. Lee said:
You completely missed my point (and by the way....I absolutely love the Adam West BATMAN show...I am the old guy here, I watched it first run in the 60's as I read the crazy comics it was based upon....it was my first live action comic book character to be seen)....my point was....West's BATMAN was based upon the actual comics at the time....what we have now heard about the new FF movie is that it is based upon things that never happened in the comic in 50+ years of it's being published.


Two wildly different interpretation OF THE ACTUAL COMICS...something that the new FF seems to be missing.
The bad critical and fan reaction to BATMAN AND ROBIN kept batman out of the theaters for 8 years. The bad critical and fan reaction to SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE kept Superman out of the theater for 19 years. Many on here who want to see a good interpretation of the FF fear that this movie will keep them from seeing a decent version for decades.
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Exactly, this is why using DC characters as an example to defend changes in Marvel adaptions is wrong. With DC characters there have been a lot of versions of characters like Batman to reach the screen, with a lot of different tones and origins, but that is because the DC Comics have had a lot of different tones and origins over the years. The DC Universe has been rebooted multiple times, each time with changes to origins, tones and style. And as a result there is a far larger range of material to drawn upon when adapting.

A simple example is the question on if Jonathon Kent should die in a Superman film? In some Superman comicbook origins he dies, in others he lives, and in others both him and Marth die, and thats before you start on the Elseworlds stuff.

So the Batman TV series while silly and camp was an adaption of the Batman comic of the time, just as the later films did adapt versions of the Batman found in later comics. Marvel on the other hand does not do hard reboots like DC and as a result has given a far more consistent version of the tone and origins for their comics. With DC characters there can be half dozen versions of an event or character to choose from, with Marvel there is often only one. The result of this is that when film makers decide to "fix" things it is far more obvious with Marvel adaptions, and the fans have far less tolerance for those changes.

So if people want to defend changes in Marvel adaptions fine, but don't use DC adaptions to support their defense as it it doesn't work.
 
Samuel Jackson said:
The entire alleged plot spoilers!



Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.

Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.

Victor Doomashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.

Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.

Storm takes them to the Baxter Building and creates containment suits for their powers. They begin to train. Reed and Storm also begin developing a way to revert the accident. Sue blames Reed for everything, but they eventually become friends and then a couple. Ben can switch off his powers when he's not in danger. Johnny changes colors based on heat intensity, and Sue has some borderline telekinetic thing. Reed is pretty much Reed.

Doom finds out that the four have acquired powers and becomes angry it's not him, so he comes up with a plan to break into the Baxter Building to access the N-Zone through the rebuild machine. As a distraction, he reprograms a bunch of stolen military drones, the "Doombots", to attack the building. The four come together as a team for the first time and save people.


Doom activates the machine and gets technopathy powers or something, basically energy blasts and making machines obey to him, and a fight ensues. The machine goes critical, and, in order to prevent it from exploding and destroying the city, the four push into it and Storm shuts it off.

There's a countdown before it reaches critical mass. Inside the N-Zone, the four battle Doom again, and manage to leave him trapped there after he disfigures himself soaking up too much power. The Four manage to escape, but Ben gets the blunt of it to protect Reed and can't switch back.

The machine is destroyed, Doom is gone, the four have learned to work as a team, and Reed vows to find a cure for Ben. And it ends there.
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We were discussing that synopsis 5 or 6 days ago, but now that it's being revived. . .

. . . Yeah, absolutely terrible. I won't pay a dime to see a film even close to that. Complete crap and not the Fantastic Four in any way.:csad:
 
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