Fant4stic "I am DOOM! What MODS Dare Stand Against Me!

[terry78]

Basically, Tim Story's version looks pretty ****ing good right now.

 

[Eddie]

Not the best example, though, is it. DBE was bad for different reasons than just being a loose adaptation and I'd call Josh Trank a more interesting talent than the other director. Plus, that was adapting an anime and there was the issue of whitewashing and cultural depictions. This is adapting a US comic book with a US cast.



Does it? Nobody really knows how well told this new story is, maybe there's more to a movie than just adhering to its source material. It doesn't begin and end with comic book accuracy. Believe me, it's not easy for me to advocate for this kind of stuff because if it were happening with my favorites I'd be singing a very different tune, I'll admit that. But it doesn't make me less intrigued. I've had an eye on this film since the beginning and I like the pieces involved.

So race changes were a major problem, huh?

Also, one could easily argue that Dragonball Evolution, questionable adaptation it was, didn't have any whitewashing. The majority of the main cast was of Asian heritage (including a Japanese actress in a main role), and Dragon Ball is set in a fantasy Earth that doesn't align with our Earth's history. You can only really tell what skin color someone has when Toriyama makes it (stereotypically) obvious, like Black, the black man with large lips, or Bora, who is obviously designed to look like a Native American. Only three main roles in DBE were played by white actors: Piccolo (who is green, making the search for an actor of the same skin color as the character rather fruitless), Goku, who is an alien, and Bulma, who is literally from the City of the West. Now what cultural heritage people from the City of the West should be is totally up for interpretation (and again, Dragon Ball Earth doesn't even have our Earth's nations), but in the original work there's a ton of English everywhere. We first see the city in volume 6 of the original manga. Multiple signs are completely in English. When Goku seeks help from a police officer to locate Bulma, her name is in English on his tablet-like device. Casting an American to play that character seems a valid interpretation to me.

 

[Nemeres]

I hope I enjoy, thanks. The way I see it, we're still getting FOUR guys with FANTASTIC powers... Reed and Ben seem to be friends, Johnny and Sue are still siblings, even if adoptive... so I don't know if it looks "nothing" like the art it's adapting. What they're losing some people may miss and it may piss them off, I totally get that, but it doesn't put this beyond being a good, watchable, entertaining film. It's all I'm saying.

 

[Nemeres]

So race changes were a major problem, huh?

Spoiler

Also, one could easily argue that Dragonball Evolution, questionable adaptation it was, didn't have any whitewashing. The majority of the main cast was of Asian heritage (including a Japanese actress in a main role), and Dragon Ball is set in a fantasy Earth that doesn't align with our Earth's history. You can only really tell what skin color someone has when Toriyama makes it (stereotypically) obvious, like Black, the black man with large lips, or Bora, who is obviously designed to look like a Native American. Only three main roles in DBE were played by white actors: Piccolo (who is green, making the search for an actor of the same skin color as the character rather fruitless), Goku, who is an alien, and Bulma, who is literally from the City of the West. Now what cultural heritage people from the City of the West should be is totally up for interpretation (and again, Dragon Ball Earth doesn't even have our Earth's nations), but in the original work there's a ton of English everywhere. We first see the city in volume 6 of the original manga. Multiple signs are completely in English. When Goku seeks help from a police officer to locate Bulma, her name is in English on his tablet-like device. Casting an American to play that character seems a valid interpretation to me.

Don't you think the country that produced the anime would have liked to see their own as the leads?

 

[Eddie]

Don't you think the country that produced the anime would have liked to see their own as the leads?

Well Dragon Ball is (very loosely) inspired by a Chinese story, Kame Sennin/Muten Roshi goes by Jackie Chun in the Tenkaichi Budokai, complete with Drunken Fist (clearly parodying Jackie Chan, who is decidedly not Japanese), and, again, a whopping three main characters in the entire film weren't Asian/Asian American. One of the leads was played by a Japanese actress and there's some (gratuitous) Japanese in one of her scenes. The movie had quite a few problems, but whitewashing wasn't one of them.

(Insert smartalec comment about criticizing race changes in a film adapting a strange multicultural not-our-Earth while defending this Fantastic Four film here)

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Each of these various iterations of Batman, with the exception of Batman and Robin, have been generally well received and are even beloved by fans. Many liked the Adam West version, or the Tim Burton version, or even some liked Batman Forever, and many liked the Nolan versions.

With the FF, there hasn't been an iteration of the property that has been universally loved by the public or fans. There has been one low budget version that wasn't even seen widely, one version that has been critically panned, and a new version that is almost universally hated, except for by a few people like you.

FF can't survive like Batman, because it hasn't gained that goodwill as far as the general audience are concerned. They are definitely a much more fragile property than Batman is at the moment.

Stop spinning everything and coming up with excuses in trying to defend this property. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

Give me Batman & Robin and some pizza any day.

 

[Kelly]

So, me thinking the FF is still a strong property vs. you who thinks it's some fragile egg that must be protected from the big bad Fox, and I'm the one being ridiculous?

No one has seen the Corman version aside from nerds and the Story FF are a blip on the radar. This version doesn't need to the greatest thing ever to not damage the FF.

It's not like Affleck's DD is being used to say no one cares about the Netflix version or that the HULK is a dead property cause of the two bad movies.

If it were a strong property, Marvel would not have cancelled the comic. It is NOT a strong property...

This version needed to be a solid FF, not something that only resembles it because they drop some names like N-Zone, Doom and Baxter Bldg. it is extremely naive, or simply not understanding of what a strong property is to think that what we are seeing at this point couldn't hurt the FF property.

The only reason this possibly WON'T hurt the FF property is because people won't even recognize it as an FF movie.

My hope is that it is true, they are not called the Fantastic Four, AND my hope is that Fantastic Four is not in the title. If that happens, then possibly this won't hurt that property too much.

 

[random_havoc]

If it were a strong property, Marvel would not have cancelled the comic. It is NOT a strong property...

This version needed to be a solid FF, not something that only resembles it because they drop some names like N-Zone, Doom and Baxter Bldg. it is extremely naive, or simply not understanding of what a strong property is to think that what we are seeing at this point couldn't hurt the FF property.

The only reason this possibly WON'T hurt the FF property is because people won't even recognize it as an FF movie.

My hope is that it is true, they are not called the Fantastic Four, AND my hope is that Fantastic Four is not in the title. If that happens, then possibly this won't hurt that property too much.

I also hope it's miles away from the original, so that Marvel could have an excuse to sue them for the rights back

 

[Mr.T]

I can't believe Dr.Doom's been relegated to being an internet troll.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I wonder if they ever considered the idea I had for Doom that is different then his origins in the comics and yet at the same time also respects his comic origins to a tee.

I would have had Victor Von Doom be a career military man, rising through the ranks of the Latverian Military ending up as Major General and commander of all of the Latverian forces. He would then overthrow the Western Backed government and seize power via military coup. His suit that we know from the comics would be his way of retaining absolute power over Latveria and strike fear into the hearts of other world leaders, so much so that he would make Russian President Vladimir Putin soil his pants.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I wonder if they ever considered the idea I had for Doom that is different then his origins in the comics and yet at the same time also respects his comic origins to a tee.

I would have had Victor Von Doom be a career military man, rising through the ranks of the Latverian Military ending up as Major General and commander of all of the Latverian forces. He would then overthrow the Western Backed government and seize power via military coup. His suit that we know from the comics would be his way of retaining absolute power over Latveria and strike fear into the hearts of other world leaders, so much so that he would make Russian President Vladimir Putin soil his pants.

It's not my favorite but it sounds a heck of a lot better than Domashev the evil genius blogger.

 

[Dark Raven]

Domashev is starting to sound like an idiotic name.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Domashev is starting to sound like an idiotic name.

It's what skinheads ask for when they go to the barber.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

"Can you give my dome a shave?"

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

"Can you give my dome a shave?"

I think it sounds like:

- A disease.
- A dog.
- A type of coffee.
- A detergent.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I think it sounds like:

- A disease.
- A dog.
- A type of coffee.
- A detergent.

LOL. I just tried the featured Domashev "dark" roast at Starbucks but I honestly thought it was a little bland. They don't allow pets inside so I had to leave my German Domashev tied outside. I take him everywhere I go because he has a severe case of Domashev and I don't know how much longer he'll be with me. He messes all over the house but I've found Domashev is great for removing stains.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

LOL. I just tried the featured Domashev "dark" roast at Starbucks but I honestly thought it was a little bland. They don't allow pets inside so I had to leave my German Domashev tied outside. I take him everywhere I go because he has a severe case of Domashev and I don't know how much longer he'll be with me. He messes all over the house but I've found Domashev is great for removing stains.

It also sounds like a restaurant. "Welcome to Domashev's Pizza!"

 

[Dark Raven]

The new "Doom" should be a cook. Instead of having a cooking show called Master Chef, he can have one called Domashev.

Of course, it might be in direct competition with Daredevil's cooking show, "Hell's Kitchen".

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

The new "Doom" should be a cook. Instead of having a cooking show called Master Chef, he can have one called Domashev.

Of course, it might be in direct competition with Daredevil's cooking show, "Hell's Kitchen".

"My name is Gordon Domashev and this is my kitchen! I work here with my old mother and my son Vladimir. And in 23 years I have learned one thing: Latverian food tastes like ****, actually!"

 

[Joe Rockhead]

LOL. I just tried the featured Domashev "dark" roast at Starbucks but I honestly thought it was a little bland. They don't allow pets inside so I had to leave my German Domashev tied outside. I take him everywhere I go because he has a severe case of Domashev and I don't know how much longer he'll be with me. He messes all over the house but I've found Domashev is great for removing stains.

Imagine the film possibilities -
"Being Victor Domashev"



Domashev... Domashev Domashev Domashev.
Domashev?

DOMASHEV!

domashev domashev, Domashev Domashev.

Translation:

Seriously... an irate blogger.
Jogger?

BLOGGER!

that sucks, Damn Fox!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

In Latveria, people enjoy simple life. We live in house with dirt floor, sleep on pillow stuffed with straw, play game with rock and stick. But when Nikolaus must shave away man beard he cry, for rusty ax leaves skin raw and sore.

This is why Nikolaus braves dangerous trip through mountains twice yearly to purchase Domashev® brand shaving cream. Domashev® contains many scientific ingredients that give Nikolaus smooth jaw without dreadful burning or ugly rash. In addition, only Domashev® is officially sanctioned by Latverian government, allowing Nikolaus to avoid firing squad alongside traitors loyal to illegal imported brand.

Nikolaus is but poor farmer and does not understand complex intricacies of Domashev®, only that Domashev® lessens his suffering, and makes Mrs. Nikolaus snuggle closer to him on cold winter night. For this, Nikolaus swears undying loyalty to Domashev®.

All Hail Domashev®
All Hail Domashev®
All Hail Domashev®​

 

[GoblinScrier]

Yes I see the thread name has undergone a transformation....do you see what has happened here...in order to cope with the insanity and stupidity of Fox, we continue to make a mockery of Victor Von Doom aka Dr. Doom, the single greatest villain in all of comicdom or dare I say EVER (I'm Doom obsessed what can I say), so the jokes continue and will continue...and when Doom FINALLY comes home to Marvel, we can rejoice as all of this and the past films will the be the culmination of a bad nightmare...then start giving Doom the commanding respect a character of his influence and stature deserves...

 

[Dark Raven]

Hey, what's with the new thread title now? That came completely without warning.

This is like the joke thread of the entire Hype.

 

[Lilbaz]

Hey, what's with the new thread title now? That came completely without warning.

This is like the joke thread of the entire Hype.

Doom hacked the server.

 

[Eddie]

LOL All your thread are belong to us!

D00M 4 life!!!

-Domashev