I Am Tired Of The Next Big Event!!

[Memphis Slim]

You guys are funny......t: Luv ya'.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I mean it! Every year, whether it's DC or Marvel there always has to be a big universe changing event!

STOP IT ALREADY!!!

Anybody else ever think about this??

Im annoyed with it also,but i read recently that comics themselfs dont make much money.Events seem to bring in more readers,and thus more money.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Im annoyed with it also,but i read recently that comics themselfs dont make much money.Events seem to bring in more readers,and thus more money.

That's the motivation....

 

[Dread]

I can admit to suffering a bit of "event fatique" myself. I understand tactically why both Marvel and DC are doing it, and as Marvel's comic revenues increased by 22% in 2006, apparently it is paying off.

I'm not biting for WORLD WAR HULK, though, as I haven't read any of PLANET HULK and frankly the concept of a big, mean behemoth coming from space to riddle the planet with destruction reaks a bit like DEATH OF SUPERMAN. I'll probably end up getting one or two tie-ins since they may be books I am already collecting (such as GHOST RIDER), but unless I hear raving reviews, I am going to give it a pass.

Besides, I could argue that THE INITIATIVE, which is essentially CW's fallout, reaction, and so on is at least as big if not bigger at Marvel this year. There are some good titles coming out of that, but to call a spade a spade.

If there is one event worth getting, it is anything involving ANNIHILATION. Proving I guess how subjective it all is.

 

[hippy fascist]

I wouldn't put annihilation in the same group. It doesn't span the marvel u and impact on people that just want to read spider-man stories for example

The whole thing was self contained. Yes you had the main book and the mini's, but those mini's were specific to annihilation. This meant that you could get on board or completely ignore it. It gave the reader an element of choice.

For the past twelve months if you were a spidey or F4 fan with no interest in civil war, you basically had it forced on you. This is something marvel needs to learn from. Give people a choice and they'll respond better than if you simply hijack their monthly comics.

 

[Dread]

I wouldn't put annihilation in the same group. It doesn't span the marvel u and impact on people that just want to read spider-man stories for example

The whole thing was self contained. Yes you had the main book and the mini's, but those mini's were specific to annihilation. This meant that you could get on board or completely ignore it. It gave the reader an element of choice.

For the past twelve months if you were a spidey or F4 fan with no interest in civil war, you basically had it forced on you. This is something marvel needs to learn from. Give people a choice and they'll respond better than if you simply hijack their monthly comics.

That's very true. Even when some people wanted ANNIHILATION to cross over, such as those who theorized CIVIL WAR would end with a bug invasion. Usually whenever someone complains about these endless, massive crossover events, someone will go, "But you liked ANNIHILATION, so nyah, your facts are wrong!". Your points on ANNIHILATION are true. In a way it was an event unto itself. It had one core title, and a few prelude mini's that were mostly self-contained and only linked up in the main series, which kept it simple enough that you could get it fully without having read too many of the earlier mini's after the PRELUDE. I mean I only read NOVA and the CORPS FILES and I got everything fine.

Naturally, CW, WWH, INITIATIVE etc cross over into many, many actual titles, AS WELL AS have mini's unto themselves. They are different beasts. But people usually claim them as being equal to debunk complainers by using their faved stories against them (sort of like silencing a critic of one film by picking apart one of their faves; like if I sent a letter to Roger Ebert to get back on his disapproval of SUPERMAN RETURNS by picking apart DARK CITY). So I neglected that point. Thanks for adding it.

 

[Kitsune]

Am I the only peson who looks foward to the big summer event anymore!?!?!?
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YES, YES you are.

 

[Darthphere]

For the past twelve months if you were a spidey or F4 fan with no interest in civil war, you basically had it forced on you. This is something marvel needs to learn from. Give people a choice and they'll respond better than if you simply hijack their monthly comics.

Thats why they have Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[kguillou]

Even though im a Marvel Comics fan, i gotta say in fairness that DC has been more lenient with events. DC's gave us a year of "downtime" since infinite crisis ended, the batman stories have been exceptional. I think Marvel should learn from this before they burn themselves out.

But one thing that we all gotta remember is that Marvel and DC are competitors, and this is what competitors do, its the business, Marvel keeps churning out these big events, therefore if DC waits too long with their "downtime" their sales are gonna suffer cuz everyone's buying Marvel Comics. So they need to keep themselves in the competition. Civil War is gonna be a very very tough act to follow, and im curious to see DC's response to it, but i couldnt imagine anything that could be bigger than Infinite Crisis...

 

[Memphis Slim]

Even though im a Marvel Comics fan, i gotta say in fairness that DC has been more lenient with events. DC's gave us a year of "downtime" since infinite crisis ended, the batman stories have been exceptional. I think Marvel should learn from this before they burn themselves out.

But one thing that we all gotta remember is that Marvel and DC are competitors, and this is what competitors do, its the business, Marvel keeps churning out these big events, therefore if DC waits too long with their "downtime" their sales are gonna suffer cuz everyone's buying Marvel Comics. So they need to keep themselves in the competition. Civil War is gonna be a very very tough act to follow, and im curious to see DC's response to it, but i couldnt imagine anything that could be bigger than Infinite Crisis...

They are really pumping up this "Count Down" to be catastrophic. Statue of Liberty destroyed......Superman "boo hooing" on Diana's breast.

 

[Darthphere]

They are really pumping up this "Count Down" to be catastrophic. Statue of Liberty destroyed......Superman "boo hooing" on Diana's breast.

Countdown is one word.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Am I the only peson who looks foward to the big summer event anymore!?!?!?

I for one like events that bring character interaction. I like when villians get even more badass and most of my FAVORITE moments in comics come from the big crossovers. I like that every year I could read the big event cause quite frankly comics are boring without them to me. I just hate it when they have events on events and I can see how that gets annoying.

But I like looking foward to the next f**ked up situation that sets ***** off. A whole year is long enough to wait for the gears to start turning.

Well I don't see how villains got any more badass thanks to the CW. In fact, if anything, it weakened them. Now they are running around, working for the government? WTF, MARVEL? W...T...F?

 

[GNR]

The only way I'd read anything X again is if we have a small team with the original 5 in tow.

There's something about the X folk that are just so boring to me now.As Loeb said in the recent Wordballoon,it's great to see the Avengers books outselling the X-Men.It's the way it ought to be.

 

[Dread]

Well I don't see how villains got any more badass thanks to the CW. In fact, if anything, it weakened them. Now they are running around, working for the government? WTF, MARVEL? W...T...F?

CW abandoned villians and at best used them as expendable pawns or details. It's part of an unsettling trend at Marvel that I've commented about, and don't feel like repeating.

ANNIHILATION, on the other hand, beefed up villians. Annihilus went from B-List FF punching bag to a potential A-List threat. Ravenous also got some exposure despite hardly being a big name next to Thanos or even Firelord. Annihilus' bug races got fleshed out and so did Super-Skrull and Ronan (who usually were treated as villians), becoming more fleshed characters (at least without having to deal with many pesky Earthlings). But mostly for Annihilus and Ravenous. Even Paibok (The "Power Skrull") got a little play. And that is not to mention what it did for Nova, Drax, Phyla and Moondragon (even if they took a book from DC; sacrifice a white, male, blond haired, blue eyed hero in Quasar for the more PC character, in this case a lesbian, taking the mantle. That is almost precisely what happened with Question, only more dramatic, frankly).

THE INITIATIVE is also rallying up gov't figures and now we have yet more villians becoming federal anti-heroes. At times I wonder if Marvel truly feels that villians are outdated, and if so then we are in for some big trouble. Because they can still work for the 21st century if you play with them, flesh them, get to the heart of their motives. Instead half the time we see them, they're still pulling their old tricks and cackling. That is fine, but without depth, that's just going to fuel the masses who feel it's never "dramatic" unless heroes fight each other.

 

[Darthphere]

The comics PC conspiracy!

 

[Memphis Slim]

PC??? Pocket Change $$$$$$$$

 

[SouLeSS]

I'm actually not looking forward to Countdown the more I think of it. 52, when it started, was supposed to explain pretty much everything. Thats what the writers were saying. It was supposed to fill all the gaps for all the plots in the books that were OYL, as well as tell a bunch of off-star characters stories. Which it is, very well. For the most part. But now, the more I think, the more I have this feeling that nothing is going to be revealed, again, like the writers have said time and time again, at the end of the series.

Anyone else get that feeling?

 

[Memphis Slim]

I'm actually not looking forward to Countdown the more I think of it. 52, when it started, was supposed to explain pretty much everything. Thats what the writers were saying. It was supposed to fill all the gaps for all the plots in the books that were OYL, as well as tell a bunch of off-star characters stories. Which it is, very well. For the most part. But now, the more I think, the more I have this feeling that nothing is going to be revealed, again, like the writers have said time and time again, at the end of the series.

Anyone else get that feeling?

I think it will create more plot holes. Even 52 didn't cover what "everyone" was doing in that year. I think there was "one" Batman issue where he's trying to purge himself or something. Didn't see him anymore after that. But that's just one example.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It was never supposed to cover what happened to the trinity during the missing year. Remember how its slogan is and always has been, "52: A year without Superman; a year without Batman; a year without Wonder Woman... but not a year without heroes"?

 

[Artistsean]

I am tired of the big event books too. But looking back as far as I can think, hasn't there always been big event type stories?

Clone Saga, Identity Crisis, There was Onslaught, Age of Apocalypse, Infinity War, Secret War, and Marvel versus DC, Death of Superman, Bane and Batman, Blue Electric Superman, Crisis on Infinite Earths, etc.

Are the past Big EVENT books not as big as the current ones?
Is it just that these current BIG EVENT books are just one right after the other? And that they are meant to forever change the comic universe? Or do the past big event books just seem less massive since they are past?
Was there ever a time when Marvel or DC didn't have a big event happen in a comic? Or is it just me.

 

[hippy fascist]

I think it's more to do with the sheer number of tie-ins to events now

 

[SouLeSS]

It was never supposed to cover what happened to the trinity during the missing year. Remember how its slogan is and always has been, "52: A year without Superman; a year without Batman; a year without Wonder Woman... but not a year without heroes"?

I ment other than them.

 

[Dread]

I think it's more to do with the sheer number of tie-ins to events now

Exactly. CIVIL WAR clocked in at some 50-80 installments, for one example. THE INITIATIVE is already almost more than the states in the union and it's barely started. And IC was fairly expansive, especially as 52, supposedly to bridge the gap from IC to OYL without the Trinity, is merging into Countdown again.

Rewind; back in the mid 90's, the 14 chapter MAXIMUM CARNAGE was long. Now, 14 chapters for an event is almost modest. SECRET WARS was not 50+ comics long. Yes, yes, we can all pick and choose what to buy. But some can feel they're being smothered. Some feel they are really saturating the market again, like they did about 10-15 years ago. Lord knows DC spent much of the 90's doing perpetual Batman and Superman "crossovers" that would span 20+ chapters and all that.

Add to the fact that, at least from the Marvel experience, some tie-in's are solicted as such when they have only vague mentions of the "event", and some other titles that have just as many acknowledgements if not more are left out (THE ETERNALS had more ties to CW than CW:X-MEN for instance; CW: X-MEN was mostly a sequal for THE 198, which capped off DECIMATION, the fumbled X-event for 2005-2006 that most major books ignored, save for X-FACTOR).

So I can definately understand some feeling of "event fatique". Personally, I'll likely only get whichever normal titles of mine happen to tie into WWH, like GHOST RIDER, and some INITIATIVE titles, but I won't go out of my way.

 

[Harlekin]

50-80 tie-ins? That was the original count, yes. With all of the delays and extra stuff, we've easily broken a 100.

 

[Darthphere]

Yeah, good thing I have that thing called free will.