The Amazing Spider-Man I don't know what troubles me more...

[Eggyman]

It's unfair to be quoting CelebYourMaster and saying that, as I can't recall him bringing Nolan into it (and I've checked the last couple of pages to make sure). I'll agree there's a slight double standard, but it should be called out when appropriate, not randomly against an innocent opinion.

 

[chaseter]

welcome to fanboi thinking...Nolan can deviate from the source material as much as he wants and its called brilliant film making. Anyone else does it and they are called hacks

yup

 

[Bat-Mite]

welcome to fanboi thinking...Nolan can deviate from the source material as much as he wants and its called brilliant film making. Anyone else does it and they are called hacks

I hear that Nolan is also responsible for the black plague.

Btw, I love Batman Returns (can't get much further from the source material than that), thought the change made to the ending of the Watchmen movie was an improvement to the original story, and thought Raimi's Spider-Man being able to shoot webbing without cartridges was also an improvement. And I like Nolan's Batman movies (inb4 "Get a rope!"). It is possible to dislike certain specific changes made from the source material without being opposed to the concept in general.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Of course it doesn't. Peter's life growing up under May and Ben's roof was still the same, average existence. He wasn't involved in any government espionage and didn't know a thing about it. His parents' work and deaths at the Red Skull's hands had no impact on the guy Peter was when he entered that lab and was bitten by the radioactive spider. It didn't change the fact that he still had to struggle to earn a living or have a relationship. The parents didn't have a hidden stash of millions for him to lay claim to.





Exactly. This would have been my follow-up response. Again, when Peter does learn the truth regarding his parents, normalcy is no longer a factor in his life anyway, so there's no point in being concerned about it. The secret agent thing was merely an interesting approach to answering the question of his parents' death.

It does and doesn't hurt the "everyman" aspect of his persona. It does in the sense that his parents being a couple of 007 types isn't something most readers can relate to. It doesn't in the sense of how it impacted him, how he handled it. Initially he was led to believe that they were double agents. We can all relate to the illusions we had of our parents being shattered when we grow up. We can all identify with that yearning to know the truth. And it didn't ultimately catapult his story into bizarre superspy territory.

PLUS-if not for that story angle we would've never gotten the awesome novel trilogy that is Adam Troy Castro's Sinister 6 arc. And a world without that is not a world I care to live in.

 

[Dragon]

It does and doesn't hurt the "everyman" aspect of his persona. It does in the sense that his parents being a couple of 007 types isn't something most readers can relate to. It doesn't in the sense of how it impacted him, how he handled it. Initially he was led to believe that they were double agents. We can all relate to the illusions we had of our parents being shattered when we grow up. We can all identify with that yearning to know the truth. And it didn't ultimately catapult his story into bizarre superspy territory.

PLUS-if not for that story angle we would've never gotten the awesome novel trilogy that is Adam Troy Castro's Sinister 6 arc. And a world without that is not a world I care to live in.

Like i said, by the time it was revealed that Peter's parents were agents, the Everyman aspect was not really an issue. And at the same time, the revelation, as we both note, ultimately does nothing to alter Peter's life's course. And certainly didn't affect who Peter had been prior to the revelation.

But actually, it makes sense. Peter is clearly an extraordinary person. So it would stand to reason that his parents would also be something special in their way. And again, it was a good choice in the respect that everyone in Spidey's universe needs to have stories of great intensity. That was one of the big problems with his relationship with MJ. Her background doesn't match the drama of Peter's life.
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[Dragon]

Well in my opinion I just find Parkers parents being spies stupid...and id be willing to bet money that they dont go that route...

Stupid, because....?

And of course they won't deal with it in the movies. They probably won't deal with the parents with any depth at all. I was merely pointing out the irony of your point about how no villain should be involved in his psrents' death; {comparing this of course to the non-source material based Sandman connection to Ben's death), since in the source material'/i], a villain was.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Like i said, by the time it was revealed that Peter's parents were agents, the Everyman aspect was not really an issue. And at the same time, the revelation, as we both note, ultimately does nothing to alter Peter's life's course. And certainly didn't affect who Peter had been prior to the revelation.

But actually, it makes sense. Peter is clearly an extraordinary person. So it would stand to reason that his parents would also be something special in their way. And again, it was a good choice in the respect that everyone in Spidey's universe needs to have stories of great intensity. That was one of the big problems with his relationship with MJ. Her background doesn't match the drama of Peter's life.i

Again, it does and it doesn't. Most superheroes hook up with women who are essentially lesser than themselves. Lois can't identify with Superman's past. Bruce Wayne can't hold onto a woman for this very reason*-he can't relate to them. But while MJ may not have the SAME pains and dramas in her life, (you're not gonna find too many girls who indirectly caused the death of the person who meant the most to them) she does have her own demons and as we found out later on, she too, hides behind a mask. This makes her able to understand what Peter goes through. And she has been the best support system through it all. Venom, the return of his parents, the discovery that they were fakes, the unmasking-I think most women would bail on you the second you find out that you're a clone and smack the hell out of them. Mary Jane has been tested by fire and she has stood with him through it all.

(*among others, obviously.)

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Stupid, because....?

And of course they won't deal with it in the movies. They probably won't deal with the parents with any depth at all. I was merely pointing out the irony of your point about how no villain should be involved in his psrents' death; {comparing this of course to the non-source material based Sandman connection to Ben's death), since in the source material'/i], a villain was.

Because I dont want to find out at anytime on the big screen that Peter Parker had spy parents...I didnt like it in the comics and I dont like it for the movie...that just doesnt seem like it would transfer well at all...and its completely unneeded otherwise...thats why i find it stupid.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Again, it does and it doesn't. Most superheroes hook up with women who are essentially lesser than themselves. Lois can't identify with Superman's past. Bruce Wayne can't hold onto a woman for this very reason*-he can't relate to them. But while MJ may not have the SAME pains and dramas in her life, (you're not gonna find too many girls who indirectly caused the death of the person who meant the most to them) she does have her own demons and as we found out later on, she too, hides behind a mask. This makes her able to understand what Peter goes through. And she has been the best support system through it all. Venom, the return of his parents, the discovery that they were fakes, the unmasking-I think most women would bail on you the second you find out that you're a clone and smack the hell out of them. Mary Jane has been tested by fire and she has stood with him through it all.

(*among others, obviously.)

That was... beautiful.

 

[roach]

I hear that Nolan is also responsible for the black plague.

Btw, I love Batman Returns (can't get much further from the source material than that), thought the change made to the ending of the Watchmen movie was an improvement to the original story, and thought Raimi's Spider-Man being able to shoot webbing without cartridges was also an improvement. And I like Nolan's Batman movies (inb4 "Get a rope!"). It is possible to dislike certain specific changes made from the source material without being opposed to the concept in general.

no i dont mind changes to stories but lets not bash one director for changes and praise another for them....dont blast Burton for making Joker kill Bruce's parents and then praise Nolan for making Ra's al ghul train Bruce.

 

[TheSlag]

Because I dont want to find out at anytime on the big screen that Peter Parker had spy parents...I didnt like it in the comics and I dont like it for the movie...that just doesnt seem like it would transfer well at all...and its completely unneeded otherwise...thats why i find it stupid.

Totally agree! Just because it was in the comics does not mean each and everything should be in the movie verse. There were things that were mistakes in the comics, that should have no mention in the movie verse, or should be changed.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That was... beautiful.

I bet you'll be the only one who endorses this post.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I bet you'll be the only one who endorses this post.

No he's not. I endorse it too!

 

[ALP]

no i dont mind changes to stories but lets not bash one director for changes and praise another for them....dont blast Burton for making Joker kill Bruce's parents and then praise Nolan for making Ra's al ghul train Bruce.

But every change is not equal. Someone may very well like what Nolan did and dislike what Burton did. I personally did not care much for making Joker the killer of the Waynes... but couldn't give a flip about precisely who trained Bruce. And this is coming from someone who's favorite Batman film was not directed by Christopher Nolan.

I love the organic webshooters but don't like MJ being Peter's first true love who takes the place of Gwen at the hands of the Goblin yet still survives. Some changes we like, some we do not.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's not the problem. The problem is when we bash a change citing how different it is from the source material while praising another that is equally if not moreso far removed. If you dislike a story element or plot device, that's fine. But be a little consistent in your reasoning.

 

[Eggyman]

That's not the problem. The problem is when we bash a change citing how different it is from the source material while praising another that is equally if not moreso far removed. If you dislike a story element or plot device, that's fine. But be a little consistent in your reasoning.

The size of the change should have little to do with it, within reason. What matters is if the change improves on the original idea and is needed.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

glad ya agree theslag! i thought i was the only one!

The size of the change should have little to do with it, within reason. What matters is if the change improves on the original idea and is needed.

completely agree with this.

 

[roach]

but who determines if the change is needed or not or if it was good or not?
Ive seen people praise the black bat armor and blast the leather X-suits.
People fell in love with the Tumbler and then got upset when Optimus Prime didnt turn into the right truck.

 

[Dragon]

Because I dont want to find out at anytime on the big screen that Peter Parker had spy parents...I didnt like it in the comics and I dont like it for the movie...that just doesnt seem like it would transfer well at all...and its completely unneeded otherwise...thats why i find it stupid.

Actually, the more that you press the issue, the more sense it makes.

It would be "stupid" if it were either improbable (such as his parents being Aliens), implausible (Such as them being mystical beings from another dimension) or altered important aspects of Peter's character (Such as being billionaire tycoons). None of which it is.

And in fact, if anything, it makes sense. Peter's parents being invovled in espionage would suggest that they are:
1. Cool under pressure.
2. Of exceptional intelligence.
3. Quick-witted.

The story of their deaths suggests that they were willing to sacrifice their lives to see that justice is done.

All traits which they passed along to Peter.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

well im glad you like it...i still dont hah
i still would like to put money on them not making parkers parents spies...
since you seem confident about it

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

double post

 

[roach]

Actually, the more that you press the issue, the more sense it makes.

It would be "stupid" if it were either improbable (such as his parents being Aliens), implausible (Such as them being mystical beings from another dimension) or altered important aspects of Peter's character (Such as being billionaire tycoons). None of which it is.

And in fact, if anything, it makes sense. Peter's parents being invovled in espionage would suggest that they are:
1. Cool under pressure.
2. Of exceptional intelligence.
3. Quick-witted.

The story of their deaths suggests that they were willing to sacrifice their lives to see that justice is done.

All traits which they passed along to Peter.

I thing that unless they planned on having Peter avenge their deaths then it shouldnt be mentioned

 

[ALP]

but who determines if the change is needed or not or if it was good or not?
Ive seen people praise the black bat armor and blast the leather X-suits.
People fell in love with the Tumbler and then got upset when Optimus Prime didnt turn into the right truck.

The director determines if the change is needed or not and we decide if it is good or not.

But why did they praise one and blast the other? If it's just a natural opinion on what they like there is absolutely nothing with that.

I like the X-suits and can't stand some of the rubber batsuits. But not because of what is in the comics. Just because of what I think looks good and what doesn't.

 

[Dragon]

well im glad you like it...i still dont hah
i still would like to put money on them not making parkers parents spies...
since you seem confident about it

Confident about it? I said earlier that I'm sure they wouldn't address it. I'm just responding to your assertion that the idea is stupid.

 

[Dragon]

I thing that unless they planned on having Peter avenge their deaths then it shouldnt be mentioned

I agree. The only reason that Stan addressed it in the comics is because, after nearly a hundred isues, it seemed like a question worth answering. But because of the limited scope of the films, it wouldn't be an issue worth exploring.

Again, I only brought it up to counter the the suggestion that a villain being involved in the death of the parents was something from left field, when we can actually find it in the source material.