The Amazing Spider-Man I don't know what troubles me more...

[Spider-Fan]

No-more of a general statement on the topic under discussion.

I was going to say, I didn't get the reply if it was to me, LOL! It seemed like a quoted comment but had no quotes, which is why I asked. I agree with you on this.

 

[Dragon]

I always hated the parents being spies angle. Spider-Man was at his inception supposed to be the hero you could be, which even Stan Lee even says is his appeal. Having his parents be spies is just unnecessary and goes against this. Not to mention, the story itself was crap. Just have his parents have died in a car accident or something like that. None of this spy crap.

Once again- please elaborate on how the life Peter's parents led- that he knew nothing about- changes who he was, is or will be?
What was the difference in Peter's life after he learned they were spies? His life was already pretty frickin' bizarre- so what's the difference here? Even after the revelation he barely ever mentioned his parents until their ill-conceived resurrection.

It's similar to the film, True Lies. Arnold's daughter was an average kid, despite her father being an actual James Bond-esque spy (Which Peter's parents weren't). At least until this life-style blew-up in their faces.

Their merely dying in a car accident is boring. When Stan decided to focus on what happened to them he just added some intrigue.

And as far as Stan sayng Peter's life was average- he didn't mean average as in uneventful- he meant that he suffered from the same difficulties that real people do with money, relationships and so forth.

 

[Dragon]

I'd accept the spy-parents-killed-by-some-red-skull-faced-guy idea if big part of the story was about that. But if it's just a loose background then it's unnecessary I'd rather having a regular guy Parker. Because, no matter what you say, having parents working as spies being killed by a guy with a red skull as head is far from average.

For the 50th time- I'm not saying this should be presented in the films. Anymore than Mays past of having dated a Mobster should be. Or for that matter, elaborating on why the burglar was in theParker's house as presented in Spidey #200.

However, it being part of the extended comis-lore is fine IMO. And I keep waiting for someone to show how Peter learning that his parents were spies long after he started spending his nights climbing walls in spandex- and fighting a guy with a green mask as head who happens to be the father of his best friend no less.

For that matter, now much time do we spend focused on the "average" side of Peter's life?

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Well, thanks for confirming that you haven't actually read the story and are thus condemning an idea that you really don't know anything about. I'll bet if you were around in 1962 and heard they were making a comic book featuring a teenager that could climb walls after being bitten by a radioactive spider you'd have thought that was a weak idea too.

Ive read it...and IN MY OPINION I disliked the story
Why do you keep trying to disrespect my opinion? LOL
Just drop it if it hurts you so deeply

Also I totally agree with Spider-Fans post

 

[Alchemyst]

This new film should just set out to correct the mistakes that were present in the Raimi films. The spy stuff wasn't included in that trilogy, and it shouldn't be a part of the new film. It would only make audiences question exactly what type of spies they were and then it would get blown out of proportion. So, to keep it simple, they should not be present due to dying in a car or plane crash. Their death didn't have as much impact as Uncle Ben's, hell, they could have just disowned him as a child for all I care

 

[Dragon]

Ive read it...and IN MY OPINION I disliked the story
Why do you keep trying to disrespect my opinion? LOL
Just drop it if it hurts you so deeply

Also I totally agree with Spider-Fans post

I'm not disrespecting your opinion. I'm trying to understand it.

And the reason I didn't believe you actually read the story is that if you ask me to tell you why I like or don't like a story I can say something more than it's weak. Why is it weak? Just as I'm actually giving reasons why I think the spy thing is fine. I can give reasons why i think the six-arm Spidey concept would work: Striking visual. Terrible dilemma. Wild action scenes. Even aspects of comedy.

And you and for that matter the likes of Spider-Fan state as your reason for the spy parent concept being a bad idea, that it changes Peter in some way. Yet you haven't managed to come up with one thing that changes about him.

But I'm really done with pressing the issue since no real response seems to be forthcoming.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I'm not disrespecting your opinion. I'm trying to understand it.

And the reason I didn't believe you actually read the story is that if you ask me to tell you why I like or don't like a story I can say something more than it's weak. Why is it weak?

yeah i just find it over the top as a story and would like a lil more simplicity in the background of parkers parents...it would just be more to add to the story and would be unneeded...

It would crowd the movie with an unneeded story...and it just seems like a corny addition to me...
ive stated why...you just dont read LOL
or dont want to...cause it seems you really wanna defend that story...but lets drop it now that you understand...or should...i have hope that you will...so i can stop repeating myself.

 

[Alchemyst]

To me, I think his parents being spies and getting killed places a little too much pity on him prematurely. The film should show him leading a normal life, school, girls, homework, etc. The death of Uncle Ben should be the breaking point of him coming to the realization that he can use his powers to prevent situations like that happening to other people. If the film starts out with his parents getting killed due to the fact that they were spies and then later seeing his uncle get killed by some thug, the average viewer would be like "damn, this kid really has it bad"

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

exactly man!

 

[Dragon]

It would crowd the movie with an unneeded story...and it just seems like a corny addition to me...
ive stated why...you just dont read LOL
or dont want to...cause it seems you really wanna defend that story...but lets drop it now that you understand...or should...i have hope that you will...so i can stop repeating myself.

Actually, you're the one who doesn't read, since I've stated in damn near EVERY POST on the subject that I'm not talking about the spy concept being in the film, and that in fact I don't think it should be. So, even if you did open the comic book, I seriously doubt you actually read what was on the page.

 

[Dragon]

To me, I think his parents being spies and getting killed places a little too much pity on him prematurely. The film should show him leading a normal life, school, girls, homework, etc. The death of Uncle Ben should be the breaking point of him coming to the realization that he can use his powers to prevent situations like that happening to other people. If the film starts out with his parents getting killed due to the fact that they were spies and then later seeing his uncle get killed by some thug, the average viewer would be like "damn, this kid really has it bad"

Okay, This is just ridiculous. It's like you guys read the phrase "Parents were spies" and stop reading there.

Peter didn't learn about his parents being spies until years after he became Spider-Man. So this wouldn't have affected the way he grew up in anyway.

Second, regardless of how they died, Peter is still an orphan, so any pity he'd get would be the same regardless of their being spies.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

what are you talkin about then? why keep the convo going? LOL

 

[Alchemyst]

Okay, This is just ridiculous. It's like you guys read the phrase "Parents were spies" and stop reading there.

Peter didn't learn about his parents being spies until years after he became Spider-Man. So this wouldn't have affected the way he grew up in anyway.

Second, regardless of how they died, Peter is still an orphan, so any pity he'd get would be the same regardless of their being spies.

The film is a retelling of the origin, so if he didn't find out until years AFTER he became Spider-Man, wtf does it matter if his parents are even mentioned at all in this film? As far as pity goes, that could go both ways, his parents being killed, Uncle Ben dying is alot to be happening to Peter, especially in the first film. We all know Gwen Stacy plays a more prominent role in this film, so if they're going the 616 route again, we can assume that this time around she would meet her demise, possibly in a sequel being yet another loss to Peter.

I'm not trying to put you on blast for bringing up the parents/spies thing, but as far as Spidey goes, it's information that isn't really neccessary, too much backstory about his parents and what not and we'll have another 2003 HULK on our hands.

what are you talkin about then? why keep the convo going? LOL

yeah really

 

[Dragon]

The film is a retelling of the origin, so if he didn't find out until years AFTER he became Spider-Man, wtf does it matter if his parents are even mentioned at all in this film?

Which is why I said the parents as spies doesn't need to be dealt with on film. If one of you would bother to read before you wirte, you'd see that.

I'm not trying to put you on blast for bringing up the parents/spies thing, but as far as Spidey goes, it's information that isn't really neccessary, too much backstory about his parents and what not and we'll have another 2003 HULK on our hands.[/wuote]

Actually I didn't bring it up. I only pointed out that in the comics, a supervillain was involved in the death of Peter's parents . Caleb took that ball and started running with it. Then I merely defended the idea as being something worth iexploring IN THE COMICS. Not on film.

 

[Alchemyst]

Which is why I said the parents as spies doesn't need to be dealt with on film. If one of you would bother to read before you wirte, you'd see that.

I'm not trying to put you on blast for bringing up the parents/spies thing, but as far as Spidey goes, it's information that isn't really neccessary, too much backstory about his parents and what not and we'll have another 2003 HULK on our hands.[/wuote]

Actually I didn't bring it up. I only pointed out that in the comics, a supervillain was involved in the death of Peter's parents . Caleb took that ball and started running with it. Then I merely defended the idea as being something worth iexploring IN THE COMICS. Not on film.

well as long as it doesn't see the light of day on film, then that's fine.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

well as long as it doesn't see the light of day on film, then that's fine.

haha so true...you can win the battle of "why it would work" i dont really care...i just know it wont be on there...so good to go!

 

[Chris Wallace]

Having been the smart kid in class, I can tell you, life isn't always great for us. Many smart people in school, like me, felt isolated from other people because we weren't being challenged and the fact everyone just leeched off us made us bitter and feel that the world is stupid. You can give Peter these conflicts, and have Ben/May help Peter realize it is a poor way to look at things.

Smart people might be seen as above average, but they have conflicts like anyone else. We don't have spy parents to justify our intelligence.

I was that kid, too. And it sucked. Plus it seemed like people just naturally expected more from you. Teachers, your parents-I didn't have Ben & May Parker. I had 4 parents, 3 grandparents & God knows how many aunts & uncles riding my ass about my grades every time I didn't bring home an "A". They also weren't a whole lot of help in dealing with the miscellaneous Flash Thompsons and Liz Allens that constantly came my way.
I think there's something in every one of us that sets us apart. Jocks are set apart because people don't expect them to be smart. The kids with money are expected to host parties, wear all the latest fashions & crap like that. Most of us, I think, were just trying to grow up & figure out who we wanted to be.

 

[El Payaso]

For the 50th time- I'm not saying this should be presented in the films. Anymore than Mays past of having dated a Mobster should be. Or for that matter, elaborating on why the burglar was in theParker's house as presented in Spidey #200.

However, it being part of the extended comis-lore is fine IMO. And I keep waiting for someone to show how Peter learning that his parents were spies long after he started spending his nights climbing walls in spandex- and fighting a guy with a green mask as head who happens to be the father of his best friend no less.

For that matter, now much time do we spend focused on the "average" side of Peter's life?

So you don't want it to be on the film? Why are we even discussing this to start with then?

 

[Alchemyst]

So you don't want it to be on the film? Why are we even discussing this to start with then?

exactly

 

[Dragon]

So you don't want it to be on the film? Why are we even discussing this to start with then?

Well, if a number of folks here would bother reading before they start writing (Kind of like listening before talking) the discussion wouldn't have gone as far as it has.

 

[Dragon]

exactly

Yeah- Exactly. If you and Caleb in particular had simply read what I was actually saying rather than overreacting to the parents being spies, it would have been much abbreviated.

 

[Alchemyst]

Well, if a number of folks here would bother reading before they start writing (Kind of like listening before talking) the discussion wouldn't have gone as far as it has.

if you mention Peter Parker, parents, spies in a thread where the majority of discussion is movie related, dont get upset if they feel like you were referring to those aspects being in the film.

 

[Alchemyst]

Yeah- Exactly. If you and Caleb in particular had simply read what I was actually saying rather than overreacting to the parents being spies, it would have been much abbreviated.

Calm down, I already stated that as long as it doesn't see the light of day on film, then I'm cool. Let's move forward amicably

 

[Dragon]

if you mention Peter Parker, parents, spies in a thread where the majority of discussion is movie related, dont get upset if they feel like you were referring to those aspects being in the film.

But if you had actually READ what I was saying about the subject- then you'd have no reaon to think I was saying it should be in the film. The fault is on your end, buddy.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well, if a number of folks here would bother reading before they start writing (Kind of like listening before talking) the discussion wouldn't have gone as far as it has.

Hahaha! THat's a good one. You want people on a message board to pay attention before they respond. Know all available facts before they start forming opinions. Next you'll want them to be receptive to opposing points of view.