I feel like DC still doesn't know what they're doing

[The Guard]

I'm not confident in WB's plans. Why do we need a Joker origin movie?

Part of the reason Joker lasted this long was because he is a big mystery onto himself.

Why do we need any movie?

Joker being a "mystery" is a fairly modern, recent occurrence, and what not people don't know about him is hardly the only reason he's popular. I don't know where that idea came from (TDK and casual fans, methinks) He's not an especially subtle character. People embrace the character for all kinds of reasons.

 

[BH/HHH]

Is it normal for a studio to hire out a dozen or so writers to write different scripts for different movies all for the same franchise?

When have we had franchises with big universes like we do now? Never. The fact is studios hire loads of people for different movies. These are different movies, people need to stop trying to make this into something it isn't. It's just a studio doing things the studio way. Even back on the early 00s they had Wolfgang Peterson working on Batman vs Superman whilst Ratner or McG (don't remember which at that specific time) was working in the Abrams script for Superman Flyby and Aronofksy on Year One. They'd even commissioned a Batman Beyond script. Of course those projects developed into Batman Begins and Superman Returns but that shows you how projects develop. They put there irons in several fires there.

They've also had scripts for Lobo, Bizarro and Green Arrow Supermax over the years too. That's just the DC stuff that's not including countless other projects they've had for other properties they've developed too. Studios do this all the time, they develop stuff that sometimes sees the light of day and sometimes it doesn't. But let's not act like they have no plans cause the studio is operating the way it has for decades very successfully.

 

[The Joker]

Why do we need any movie?

If it has a good story to tell.

Joker being a "mystery" is a fairly modern, recent occurrence

Baloney. Joker's been a mystery since his inception. Even the Red Hood origin didn't give him a name or any kind of official identity.

 

[vantheman77]

Why do we need any movie?

Joker being a "mystery" is a fairly modern, recent occurrence, and what not people don't know about him is hardly the only reason he's popular. I don't know where that idea came from (TDK and casual fans, methinks) He's not an especially subtle character. People embrace the character for all kinds of reasons.

He's been a mystery since his first appearance in 1940.

 

[Superchan]

After hearing about this joker project being possibly an elseworlds or a non DCEU project I have to wonder whether the talk about a red son movie is true.

 

[BH/HHH]

After hearing about this joker project being possibly an elseworlds or a non DCEU project I have to wonder whether the talk about a red son movie is true.

You could be right, I had totally forgotten about that.

 

[BH/HHH]

He's been a mystery since his first appearance in 1940.

But he hasn't been in every incarnation. Which is the point the Guard is making.

One big one is Batman '89 which reveals exactly who the Joker is.

 

[Rorschach2012]

WB has a ton of DC movies in the works, but very few of them will actually get made. It's basically a race. Whoever has the best pitch and the best script gets a movie. They don't seem to be fast tracking any particular film, it's just down to whichever one has the best script first.

 

[Wildcard]

It's absolutely true DC/WB have no clue what they're doing & I find it hilarious some are chalking it up to being negative despite the fact that the only film they've put out that's been superb was WW while the other three ranged from good/mediocre to straight up atrocious.

Like, I love DC, I've been both a DC & Marvel mark all my life. But the difference is, Marvel is approaching their universe in a sensible manner while doing their best to put out quality projects. WB is just throwing random **** at the wall to see what sticks while producing less than stellar material.

Hell, didn't one of the producers even admit earlier this year that they are indeed throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks best? Can't deny the truth, especially when it's confirmed from someone working on the films.

It is very clear that WB/DC are more lost than Amelia Earhart at this point.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Just curious, why exactly is a Joker film a bad idea? That could be really interesting, especially if it led up to Joker and Batman in the Batman sequel. I mean, it's kind of a bummer that Joker was so bad in SS, but it's salvageable. The Joker graphic novel by Azzarello was fascinating and really well done, and could make for an interesting template by showing Joker through the eyes of a henchman, if the character is well written. An R rated Joker film could possibly be DCEU's answer to Deadpool, could be crazy, could involve some of the other great Bat villains like Penguin and Two Face. I mean, if it's well done anyways. I just don't see how the concept in and of itself is a bad idea

 

[Greens]

Just curious, why exactly is a Joker film a bad idea? That could be really interesting, especially if it led up to Joker and Batman in the Batman sequel. I mean, it's kind of a bummer that Joker was so bad in SS, but it's salvageable. The Joker graphic novel by Azzarello was fascinating and really well done, and could make for an interesting template by showing Joker through the eyes of a henchman, if the character is well written. An R rated Joker film could possibly be DCEU's answer to Deadpool, could be crazy, could involve some of the other great Bat villains like Penguin and Two Face. I mean, if it's well done anyways. I just don't see how the concept in and of itself is a bad idea

Agreed.

 

[BH/HHH]

It's absolutely true DC/WB have no clue what they're doing & I find it hilarious some are chalking it up to being negative despite the fact that the only film they've put out that's been superb was WW while the other three ranged from good/mediocre to straight up atrocious.

Like, I love DC, I've been both a DC & Marvel mark all my life. But the difference is, Marvel is approaching their universe in a sensible manner while doing their best to put out quality projects. WB is just throwing random **** at the wall to see what sticks while producing less than stellar material.

Hell, didn't one of the producers even admit earlier this year that they are indeed throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks best? Can't deny the truth, especially when it's confirmed from someone working on the films.

It is very clear that WB/DC are more lost than Amelia Earhart at this point.

They're doing what they've done as a studio for years. Which is have different pitches for different movies and choose the ones that stick. They've been doing it for decades very successfully.

Just because some people can't get there heads around what's been leaked and not knowing what is actually happening behind the scenes does not mean WBs with DC are lost at all.

Warner Bros is a very successful movie studio and will continue to be. People on message boards need to stop acting like they know stuff they don't and acting like they're smarter than a studio. If these people were they certainly wouldn't be posting on message boards about how much they "know" or are "informed" they'd be working for a studio.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

I also think it's a pretty great idea to create a brand of films outside of the main DCEU. Films without any constraints of having to fit in with the narrative, tone, style, mythology of the main films. Affleck can play the Batman of the DCEU and we can also get a much different Batman, maybe more stylized and noirish, similar to the Animated Series style. I say that's a great idea, give the writers and directors complete freedom. With everybody complaining about the current DCEU, I would think people would be happy and excited to get some different interpretations. They don't have to do the same formula as Marvel. I prefer that to having the main DCEU get so convoluted

 

[Wildcard]

They're doing what they've done as a studio for years. Which is have different pitches for different movies and choose the ones that stick. They've been doing it for decades very successfully.

Just because some people can't get there heads around what's been leaked and not knowing what is actually happening behind the scenes does not mean WBs with DC are lost at all.

Warner Bros is a very successful movie studio and will continue to be. People on message boards need to stop acting like they know stuff they don't and acting like they're smarter than a studio. If these people were they certainly wouldn't be posting on message boards about how much they "know" or are "informed" they'd be working for a studio.

It's called having an opinion. While you're going to bat for WB do you work for the studio? No, you don't. I'm allowed to speak on what I'm seeing because that's the purpose of a message board: to discuss things.

So stop acting like you're on the payroll and you know for a fact that WB is aware of what they're really doing with this universe when just a couple of years ago they were on the verge of filing for bankruptcy (chapter 7, not 11). They just got lucky with the superhero films making them enough of a profit as well as some of their smaller projects and now they're in a good position again for the time being. But yet again, that doesn't mean they have a definite idea of what they're doing. If they did, they wouldn't have producers and executives blatantly admitting they're tossing random ideas at the wall to see what sticks. If they knew full well what they were doing, they wouldn't be greenlighting every idea that sounds good on paper. They'd be taking a more sensible approach in trying to formulate a cinematic universe that has merit instead of one that's a cash grab and is using already popular characters to lure in money because of their notoriety and not because they're making quality projects.

So, once again, stop being so hurt that people have differing opinions than you on what's going on, especially when you yourself don't even fully understand what's going on. It's not a good look.

 

[BH/HHH]

It's called having an opinion. While you're going to bat for WB do you work for the studio? No, you don't. I'm allowed to speak on what I'm seeing because that's the purpose of a message board: to discuss things.

So stop acting like you're on the payroll and you know for a fact that WB is aware of what they're really doing with this universe when just a couple of years ago they were on the verge of filing for bankruptcy (chapter 7, not 11). They just got lucky with the superhero films making them enough of a profit as well as some of their smaller projects and now they're in a good position again for the time being. But yet again, that doesn't mean they have a definite idea of what they're doing. If they did, they wouldn't have producers and executives blatantly admitting they're tossing random ideas at the wall to see what sticks. If they knew full well what they were doing, they wouldn't be greenlighting every idea that sounds good on paper. They'd be taking a more sensible approach in trying to formulate a cinematic universe that has merit instead of one that's a cash grab and is using already popular characters to lure in money because of their notoriety and not because they're making quality projects.

So, once again, stop being so hurt that people have differing opinions than you on what's going on, especially when you yourself don't even fully understand what's going on. It's not a good look.

I'm not hurt by differing opinions

What I'm getting bored with is people saying things like WBs have no plans cause they're hiring writers on different projects. Yet they've been doing that for decades successfully with many properties. I'm not acting like I know what there plans are or what is a good or bad idea so that's the difference between me and someone acting like they know what's happening based off of rumours and little else.

I haven't acted like I'm on WBs payroll or that I know what I'm doing. I'm simply pointing out that as with most things that DC gets **** for that ALL movie studios develop several projects. I even have examples of the DC related ones from the past and how they developed.

Maybe learn a few facts next time and the you can try to back up why you think it's a mess for WBs to start development on many projects. Which is something they've always done very successfully as have many other studios.

What's it a good luck is been condescending when you have no facts or examples to back yourself up.

 

[Wildcard]

I'm not hurt by differing opinions

What I'm getting bored with is people saying things like WBs have no plans cause they're hiring writers on different projects. Yet they've been doing that for decades successfully with many properties. I'm not acting like I know what there plans are or what is a good or bad idea so that's the difference between me and someone acting like they know what's happening based off of rumours and little else.

I haven't acted like I'm on WBs payroll or that I know what I'm doing. I'm simply pointing out that as with most things that DC gets **** for that ALL movie studios develop several projects. I even have examples of the DC related ones from the past and how they developed.

Maybe learn a few facts next time and the you can try to back up why you think it's a mess for WBs to start development on many projects. Which is something they've always done very successfully as have many other studios.

What's it a good luck is been condescending when you have no facts or examples to back yourself up.

 

[Comic nerd]

Agreed. Joker origin movie won't be a success. Plus Jared Leto will ruin Joker's iconic role.

 

[Comic nerd]

Exactly. I think DC is working on too many projects at a time. I don't its because of competition from Marvel or something else

 

[Comic nerd]

The idea that you guys criticize the studio for lack of consistency and vision is hilarious. You complain about the quality of the films and the vision of zach snyder, but you want consistency? The studio isnt dumb, they are waiting to see what they have with aquaman and how justice league performs before continuing forward. These are completely logical decisions to be making, and are far from making the studio "dumpster fire", and "mess".

Lucasfilm has had, and are having the same problems with their star wars story films. And they are acting accordingly as well, by spending lots of money on additional photography to protect the IP, changing the plan (boba fett trank film).

People need to start taking things on a case by case basis, as opposed to dooming every dceu film from the onset

Okay then tell me the last good movie from DC? Batman vs superman lacked story. Suicide squad was saved because of Will smith's popularity.

 

[Comic nerd]

Why do we need any movie?

Joker being a "mystery" is a fairly modern, recent occurrence, and what not people don't know about him is hardly the only reason he's popular. I don't know where that idea came from (TDK and casual fans, methinks) He's not an especially subtle character. People embrace the character for all kinds of reasons.

Joker's quality lies in his mysterious personality. Nobody knows why he does what he does. Apart from a few a things Joker's past is a mystery.

 

[wampa1]

WB has a ton of DC movies in the works, but very few of them will actually get made. It's basically a race. Whoever has the best pitch and the best script gets a movie. They don't seem to be fast tracking any particular film, it's just down to whichever one has the best script first.

Man, I wonder how bad the scripts that were turned down in favour of Suicide Squad were...

 

[Comic nerd]

It's absolutely true DC/WB have no clue what they're doing & I find it hilarious some are chalking it up to being negative despite the fact that the only film they've put out that's been superb was WW while the other three ranged from good/mediocre to straight up atrocious.

Like, I love DC, I've been both a DC & Marvel mark all my life. But the difference is, Marvel is approaching their universe in a sensible manner while doing their best to put out quality projects. WB is just throwing random **** at the wall to see what sticks while producing less than stellar material.

Hell, didn't one of the producers even admit earlier this year that they are indeed throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks best? Can't deny the truth, especially when it's confirmed from someone working on the films.

It is very clear that WB/DC are more lost than Amelia Earhart at this point.

DC/WB is running like a headless chicken at the moment

 

[BH/HHH]

Ever heard of multi quote?

 

[Flint Marko]

When have we had franchises with big universes like we do now? Never.

So then stop pretending that it's "normal studio practice" for them to do this if you're admitting that the cinematic landscape has changed. Again, they're looking to kick twenty films into production for one franchise. And it goes without saying that the most comparable franchise operates nothing like this.

It isn't normal to throw much **** at a wall to see what will stick for a single franchise. Bob and weave all you'd like around this fact, but it's true. That's what they are doing and it's a clear indicator that the only "plan" they have is "make movies based on DC related properties". So if that's what you think is a plan then sure, they have a "plan", but that in and of itself kind of proves my point.

 

[BH/HHH]

So then stop pretending that it's "normal studio practice" for them to do this if you're admitting that the cinematic landscape has changed. Again, they're looking to kick twenty films into production for one franchise. And it goes without saying that the most comparable franchise operates nothing like this.

It isn't normal to throw much **** at a wall to see what will stick for a single franchise. Bob and weave all you'd like around this fact, but it's true. That's what they are doing and it's a clear indicator that the only "plan" they have is "make movies based on DC related properties". So if that's what you think is a plan then sure, they have a "plan", but that in and of itself kind of proves my point.

How is not same studio practice wen it's exactly how they've approached movies for decades?

So you're saying because it's a series of films under the DC umbrella means they shouldn't follow the same tactics that have worked for them for decades?

It's clear to me they're just doing what they've always done with films.