The Dark Knight I guess joker just applies make-up after all

[Symbiotic]

I find the 'nurse' pic... disturbing.

 

[DeaDheaD]

WHatever filter they have on those nurse pics almost make it seem like a dream, wondering very much so how that part of the movie will play out.

 

[ronny]

WHatever filter they have on those nurse pics almost make it seem like a dream, wondering very much so how that part of the movie will play out.

Notice how The Joker's pose is similar to a shot in Taxi Driver. That had an odd feel to it too.

 

[DeaDheaD]

I;m thinking that Heath's Joker is going to be a very complex character.......and I stress the word very.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

In the pic in question we see the Joker sans make-up: no lipstick (though some faint traces), no panda eyes and no white skin. Even his hair is simply black.

Although he's very pale underneath the make-up, it's pretty clear he's not perma-white. It's just obvious that his skin hasn't seen sunlight in a very long time and he's not the healthiest of people. It's not, as some have suggested, flesh-coloured make-up. This is his real skin...

I have to admit, it's a bit of a mind-fu[k seeing the Joker like this. I mean, I'm pretty fine with it being make-up instead of bleached skin, but somehow I wasn't really expecting to see him without it in the movie. It's really demystifying. Of course, I'll wait and see how it plays out in the movie. I'm still confident the character as played by Heath will keep me pulled into the diegesis. Perhaps his scene without the monstrous make-up will be the scariest of the bunch, who knows?

Yeah, that just about says it all for me...

But hey, there's always Two-Face, right?

 

[Keyser Soze]

It's funny. I stressed before that, even though I had accepted The Joker being non-permawhite, that seeing him without any make-up would be a hard limit for me, and that it would probably be pushing it a little too far.

However, oddly enough...I think the pic works. It's a credit to the levels Heath Ledger went to absolutely nail the performance that...even without the white face, without the green hair, without the purple suit, without the SMILE....somehow, it still feels very Joker-like.

 

[DeaDheaD]

It's funny. I stressed before that, even though I had accepted The Joker being non-permawhite, that seeing him without any make-up would be a hard limit for me, and that it would probably be pushing it a little too far.

However, oddly enough...I think the pic works. It's a credit to the levels Heath Ledger went to absolutely nail the performance that...even without the white face, without the green hair, without the purple suit, without the SMILE....somehow, it still feels very Joker-like.

The look on his face is what does it for me, plus the mouth scarring is very well-done.

 

[Crook]

I have to admit, it's a bit of a mind-fu[k seeing the Joker like this. I mean, I'm pretty fine with it being make-up instead of bleached skin, but somehow I wasn't really expecting to see him without it in the movie. It's really demystifying.

Indeed.

I'm really curious as to see what people think of this, since we now know that there IS at least one scene where Joker is without make-up. I remember people detesting the idea, but now of course I will still expect some to say that it still looks very Joker.

 

[ronny]

The Joker did it in the comics so I think it can work. But then he was still bleached wasn't he? It's a shame as I was kind of hoping for skin coloured make up so that his "face" would be every more blurred and decayed looking.
What's odd is that he's cut his hair short.

 

[DeaDheaD]

I dont quite see the big difference between fleshy make-up on white skin and clown make-up on fleshy skin, I like that Nolan has reveresd the first Joker comic.

 

[Drummerdude7]

The Joker did it in the comics so I think it can work. But then he was still bleached wasn't he? It's a shame as I was kind of hoping for skin coloured make up so that his "face" would be every more blurred and decayed looking.
What's odd is that he's cut his hair short.

The police officer thing was part of his first two appearances, which was before it was truly confirmed that his skin was permawhite, so at that point, it could have been his real face for all the readers knew.
With regards to his hair, I think he's just tucked it into his hat

 

[Keyser Soze]

Indeed.

I'm really curious as to see what people think of this, since we now know that there IS at least one scene where Joker is without make-up. I remember people detesting the idea, but now of course I will still expect some to say that it still looks very Joker.

I was one of the people who said that I didn't like the idea of seeing The Joker without the facepaint. However, even at the time I qualified it by saying it would depend on how they executed it. And judging by the pic (and what we've heard of the scene), it seems executed fairly well.

The one thing about this pic that disappoints me, though, is that it - once and for all - puts to bed the last faint hopes of any degree of permawhite. First, we lost the idea of him simply being permawhite. Then, we lost the idea of him simply painting his neck and arms flesh-tone to conceal white skin.

And after we lost that, what was there to cling onto? The possibility that he had left the facepaint on so long, re-applied it so many times, that it wouldn't wash off, that it had practically become "permawhite", in a way. It was a shallow consolation, and an unlikely one at that, but now that's even been disproven. The cop pic shows he can simply wash off the facepaint when the notion takes him.

 

[Crook]

The Joker did it in the comics so I think it can work. But then he was still bleached wasn't he?

Yes, true. Though it's undeniable from that one shot, that his face is indeed blotchy and has traces of white. The set pics we were all wondering about are finally cleared up here, but still leaves 1 of 2 theories:

1) That he really is permawhite, and it's seeping through the skin make-up (unlikely)

OR

2) The white is the make-up, but due to leaving it on for so long with different layers, it's still very hard to take off, hence the little blotches still on the skin (very likely)

 

[Drummerdude7]

I was one of the people who said that I didn't like the idea of seeing The Joker without the facepaint. However, even at the time I qualified it by saying it would depend on how they executed it. And judging by the pic (and what we've heard of the scene), it seems executed fairly well.

The one thing about this pic that disappoints me, though, is that it - once and for all - puts to bed the last faint hopes of any degree of permawhite. First, we lost the idea of him simply being permawhite. Then, we lost the idea of him simply painting his neck and arms flesh-tone to conceal white skin.

And after we lost that, what was there to cling onto? The possibility that he had left the facepaint on so long, re-applied it so many times, that it wouldn't wash off, that it had practically become "permawhite", in a way. It was a shallow consolation, and an unlikely one at that, but now that's even been disproven. The cop pic shows he can simply wash off the facepaint when the notion takes him.

it really shows the liberties that nolan has taken with this joker....i personally think this'll be the only scene w/out the makeup, paying homage to his first appearance

 

[Keyser Soze]

it really shows the liberties that nolan has taken with this joker....i personally think this'll be the only scene w/out the makeup, paying homage to his first appearance

It's a brave approach, certainly. It seems like Nolan is stripping away the elements of The Joker we take for granted, in order to really draw focus into the character's motivations, and the core of what really makes him tick.

 

[ronny]

It's a brave approach, certainly. It seems like Nolan is stripping away the elements of The Joker we take for granted, in order to really draw focus into the character's motivations, and the core of what really makes him tick.

We can't really fault him for trying something new. Although I'm willing to bet that Joker's skin has been burnt/discoloured in some places. Just look at his hands in the Empire cover. As though he's poured boiling water on himself or something.

 

[Drummerdude7]

It's a brave approach, certainly. It seems like Nolan is stripping away the elements of The Joker we take for granted, in order to really draw focus into the character's motivations, and the core of what really makes him tick.

I think it's a great approach personally, because there really is so much more to the joker than just his white skin and green hair and purple suit. While those may be necessary elements for some people, Nolan has shown the way of approaching the character and staying true to it, albeit in a slightly unorthodox way

 

[Crook]

I was one of the people who said that I didn't like the idea of seeing The Joker without the facepaint. However, even at the time I qualified it by saying it would depend on how they executed it. And judging by the pic (and what we've heard of the scene), it seems executed fairly well.

What do you mean execute? Technicality wise, story?

From a make-up standpoint, it's fine piece of work. Looks real and all of that. But from a design standpoint, it still looks like Heath with a scarred mouth. No context can really change this.

The one thing about this pic that disappoints me, though, is that it - once and for all - puts to bed the last faint hopes of any degree of permawhite. First, we lost the idea of him simply being permawhite.

I don't necessarily agree. While it's unlikely at this point in the game, had we gotten this pic in the zenith of the permawhite argument, one could easily say this wasn't definitive proof at all. One, for being a clear homage to the 1st Joker appearance, and then second, the distinct "skin problems" shown in the pic.

And after we lost that, what was there to cling onto? The possibility that he had left the facepaint on so long, re-applied it so many times, that it wouldn't wash off, that it had practically become "permawhite", in a way. It was a shallow consolation, and an unlikely one at that, but now that's even been disproven. The cop pic shows he can simply wash off the facepaint when the notion takes him.

I'm honestly just more disappointed that we now see Joker's "true" face, and it looks very un-Joker.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

so far im diggin whats been going onn Joker-wise.

 

[Drummerdude7]

lol all this great joker stuff is being leaked, and yet we have virtually nothing on two-face besides descriptions and an action-figure

 

[MillsOfGod]

From the pics, it looks like flesh make-up around his nose and eyes and looks like perma-white is evident from behind the make-up.

 

[Keyser Soze]

lol all this great joker stuff is being leaked, and yet we have virtually nothing on two-face besides descriptions and an action-figure

GOOD! Ideally he's kept as a surprise for the film itself...

 

[Gianakin_]

Seeing that I'm not one to put boundaries to what I want the Joker to look like, the pics themselves look ery good to me. Especially the jokerized Batfake. Creepy as hell.

 

[Bat-Mite]

hear hear, its definately make up
confirmed via the new pics!

Yes, it's makeup, but there's obviously something else going on here. In the cop pic, you can see white on his face. It's subtle, but it's there. It's especially prominent on the tip of his nose. Also, his hands are VERY splotchy, as if he's got a skin disease or chemical burns. This was noticeable in the Empire pic, but you can get a better look at them in the masked nurse pic, especially if you zoom in.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

^Ya I agree, really creepy, truly brutal.