The Dark Knight I guess joker just applies make-up after all

[dark_b]

To try and steer things away from the whole "white skin VS white facepaint" argument for a moment, perhaps its time to raise an old idea that hasn't been discussed in a while. What if The Joker's face is a tattoo?

I don't have a problem with The Joker applying white make-up purely because it's different from the comics in itself. I've said before that I'm okay with changes to the comics, so long as they make sense, and don't hurt the character. My problem lies in the fact that it COULD hurt the character. The white make-up itself isn't the problem, it's the fact that it can wash off. I hate the idea of The Joker locked up in Arkham, with his facepaint washed off. Unlike Batman, The Joker's face IS his mask. He shouldn't be able to wash off his "mask" and be "normal". The Joker shouldn't have an alter ego., if you will.

But IF we're not getting The Joker with his entire body bleached white, perhaps an alternative could be that he has tattooed the ghoulish clown design onto his face? That way, you get the same practical effect as skin bleaching - a "mask that can't come off".

And in one way, this could be MORE effective than bleached skin in the context of this film. Even if his skin is bleached, then we have to accept the red lips and black eyes as make-up that can be removed. After all, a chemical bath is only going to give him the bleached skin. And although both have their detractors, the "panda eyes" and "messy lips" have grown on me to the point that I think the face of Ledger's Joker would look naked without them. If his face were the product of a tattoo, the eyes and lips would be as permanent as the white skin. And it would be another nice touch to the character: it would take a real hardcore nutjob to mutiliate themselves in such a fashion.

Of course, the idea does have its setbacks. I don't know what the logistics of getting such a tattoo are. It could be that getting that much ink seared into your face is just as outlandish as a chemical bath that bleaches your skin white. I'm not necessarily saying this is what I want to get, or think we're getting. I just thought it was an interesting possibility you might want to discuss.

wooow. thats a very intereseing idea. and it could work.

but i think....this is not a tatoo. only because in the knife pic you can see that it is nto complete white. wouldnt he have the whole face white?why would there be little spots of normal skin?

maybe it is true. no matter what....thats a very interesting idea.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, but one thing about the bleached skin is that he didn't choose it for himself. He was hideously deformed, went nuts, but decided to go with it. That takes a nutjob, in my opinion.

Yeah, that's the biggest hole I saw in the "tattoo" idea. It changes his personality into someone that willingly turns themselves into The Joker, rather than them being turned into The Joker by circumstance.

Of course, the way around that is if, like someone said, it's the "chelsea grin" scarring that puts him over the deep-end, in place of the bleaching. Then the tattooing would be a product of "going with it".

Oooooor....perhaps most unnerving of all, we never get an explanation as to why he tattooed his face, or how he was scarred. We don't even know if the scarring was an accident, or if he did it to himself.

 

[dark_b]

who said yesterday that maybe in nolans batman the scars are what makes him a freak?
in the comics he has white skin and because of that he is a freak. maybe in the movie because of the scars he becomes a freak and to complete teh image he paints hes face like the joker card(teaser trailer).
thats an interesting idea. but there is a twist according to anjow and miranda.

looks interesting.

he said that the twist would piss of comic fans? right?

 

[Keyser Soze]

....Just to refresh my memory, was The Crow's face tattooed? I thought it was, and we hardly need any more comparison.

Also, the face pattern has changed several times. It's not the same in any of the spy pics or released pics that we've seen. Tattoos categorically don't change - that's why we get them.

Also, I think a pure white tattoo is really, really hard to do.

The crow was facepaint.

I thought the pattern looked the same, only from different angles.

And yes, it would be hard to do, you're absolutely right there. That's the main problem with the idea I highlighted in my original post. It might actually be easier to bleach your skin with chemicals!

 

[dark_b]

The crow was facepaint.

I thought the pattern looked the same, only from different angles.

And yes, it would be hard to do, you're absolutely right there. That's the main problem with the idea I highlighted in my original post. It might actually be easier to bleach your skin with chemicals!

in the set pics there is no way that we can see if it is the same.
now lets say that the first official pic of hte joker is photoshopped. if it is not then it is not the same. because there he has complete white skin. plus the bump and texture looks different.

maybe he goes through different fazes. or maybe at the beginning he has paint and hten somehow it becomes hes real skin.

 

[Keyser Soze]

wooow. thats a very intereseing idea. and it could work.

but i think....this is not a tatoo. only because in the knife pic you can see that it is nto complete white. wouldnt he have the whole face white?why would there be little spots of normal skin?

maybe it is true. no matter what....thats a very interesting idea.

Thanks!

As far as it not being complete white, that could be attributed to the limitations of human inking skill.

 

[SpinyNorman]

Man, that's some awesome facepaint to stay on in all that rain. Not to mention all those bitter, mournful tears as he grieves over the loss of his loved one and the cruelty of the world and cuts himself and listens to Fall Out Boy or whatever the hell.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Thats what I don't get...it's heavily rumored the twist is his skin being revealed as pasty white, but Miranda said the twist would anger many fans...those two don't go together.

 

[dark_b]

Thanks!

As far as it not being complete white, that could be attributed to the limitations of human inking skill.

could be. maybe they wanted that it looks messy. maybe htey wanted that there are spots of old skin.

this tatoo idea is really interesting. i am now trying to imagine joker coming to a tattoo store and telling the guy or chick that he will make hes face white. or since he is a crazy guy he does it to himself with some chemicals.
kayser wasnt it said that the joker is smart and a guy ho knwos chemicals? what if hte joker makes the perma white skin to himslef? would that go against hes character?

anyone watching prison break? mahone will go after him heheheh

 

[SpinyNorman]

Thats what I don't get...it's heavily rumored the twist is his skin being revealed as pasty white, but Miranda said the twist would anger many fans...those two don't go together.

Then the two aren't the same. The big twist is something else.

 

[dark_b]

Thats what I don't get...it's heavily rumored the twist is his skin being revealed as pasty white, but Miranda said the twist would anger many fans...those two don't go together.

comic fans want that it is 100% like in the comics. maybe the origin of where he got the perma white skin is different and because of that miranda thinks that it would piss the fanboys. could be. t:

 

[itsthebatman]

Correct: incompetent writers and idiots often fail to recognize the importance of history. Fortunately, I do not give a damn about incompetent writers, and their habits are irrelevant. Also, presently we are fortunate not to have any of their number working on the two core Batman titles.

At present, surely. I think presently means 'in the near future'.

What year is this? Who's the president??

What day is it? Tuesday. What YEAR?
Name that film.

Thats what I don't get...it's heavily rumored the twist is his skin being revealed as pasty white, but Miranda said the twist would anger many fans...those two don't go together.

I doubt if that's THE twist. We have no real idea of what the big twist is.

 

[nickyg641]

who said yesterday that maybe in nolans batman the scars are what makes him a freak?
in the comics he has white skin and because of that he is a freak. maybe in the movie because of the scars he becomes a freak and to complete teh image he paints hes face like the joker card(teaser trailer).
thats an interesting idea. but there is a twist according to anjow and miranda.

looks interesting.

he said that the twist would piss of comic fans? right?

No, having your skin bleached white and your hair died green makes you almost inhuman. Cheek scars make him ugly, and is hardly "escelating" anything. I'm sure plenty of mobsters have had "Chelsea Smiles".

If the cheek slicing is meant to take the place of a full-body chemical *****-up, I really don't think that's a fair trade.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Thats what I don't get...it's heavily rumored the twist is his skin being revealed as pasty white, but Miranda said the twist would anger many fans...those two don't go together.

I think the answer to that is that The Joker having white skin (if true) is A twist, but not THE twist...

 

[Keyser Soze]

No, having your skin bleached white and your hair died green makes you almost inhuman. Cheek scars make him ugly, and is hardly "escelating" anything. I'm sure plenty of mobsters have had "Chelsea Smiles".

If the cheek slicing is meant to take the place of a full-body chemical *****-up, I really don't think that's a fair trade.

I'm sure plenty of people have watched their parents die. It's what Bruce Wayne decided to DO with that life-changing experience that set him apart. The same could very well be said for The Joker. It's not so much the hows and whys of how he came to be who he is that mark the "escalation", but rather the way he raises the stakes in violence and chaos, taking things to a whole new level Gotham City has never seen before, and was never prepared for.

"It's not who I am underneath, but what I DOOOOOOOOO that defines me!"

 

[wikum]

Holy **** Keyser Soze....I think you may have a point there!

What if the Joker gets a perminent facial tattoo? Thats a ****ing brilliant idea. That would work IMO.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Holy **** Keyser Soze....I think you may have a point there!

What if the Joker gets a perminent facial tattoo? Thats a ****ing brilliant idea. That would work IMO.

Thanks for that. t:

 

[sasquatchs]

And it could happen after a hard night of drinking, then he doesn't choose to become that way t:

 

[Keyser Soze]

And it could happen after a hard night of drinking, then he doesn't choose to become that way t:

Or after a game of Truth or Dare.

"Okay, Harv, I got the tattoo. Now I dare you to take this bottle of acid...."

 

[Mysterio]

the more we talk about this the more i dread 7-18-08

why dread it? go ahead and make up your mind to not see the movie. if you're not looking forward to it, then don't go see it.

 

[itsthebatman]

And it could happen after a hard night of drinking, then he doesn't choose to become that way t:

'C'mon guys, lets get tattoos!'
*the following morning*
'I got a moon tattoo.'
'Oh yeah? I got an eagle.'
'Oh yeah? I got my whole face coloured white. Thank God it washes off.'
'Uh, dude, that's permanent.'
'WTF?'

 

[Keyser Soze]

Here's a bizarre comic book oddity I uncovered:

A Joker with flesh-tone hands....in the comics!?

 

[Keyser Soze]

'C'mon guys, lets get tattoos!'
*the following morning*
'I got a moon tattoo.'
'Oh yeah? I got an eagle.'
'Oh yeah? I got my whole face coloured white. Thank God it washes off.'
'Uh, dude, that's permanent.'
'WTF?'

"This sucks even more than that time I caught a frisbee with my mouth..."

 

[SpinyNorman]

I know a guy who got drunk, blacked out, and woke up with a tatoo bandage on his shoulder. He had no idea what it was. Thing is, when you get a tat you have to leave the bandage on, so he had several days of torture wondering exactly what he had gotten tattooed on him. Then on the last day he got up, peeled it off, and revealed the grinning face of...

Yosemite Sam.

Seriously, it could have been worse.

 

[itsthebatman]

"This sucks even more than that time I caught a frisbee with my mouth..."

And that boy grew up to become Tim Sale's Joker.