The Dark Knight Rises I really want to see Batman lose control

[reservoirdog]

There have been several great scenes in the comics where Batman almost loses it and kills somebody. I would like to see a scene in the 3rd movie where he snaps and savagely beats someone. I know the interrogation scene with the Joker was supposed to be something like that, but I just didn't get the feeling like he was out of control.

I could see a scene where Zsasz goes on a murder spree and maybe kills a kid to set Batman off. Or if Black mask tortured somebody. Or even if Jervis Tech (not specifically called Mad Hatter as that would be too campy) had kidnapped a kid and it insinuated he was a pedophile.

Any of these scenarios could really make Batman snap and beat the crap out of somebody, especially when he may be dealing with guilt over Harvey Dent.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Im the Godamn Batman you little punk ass biatch!!!t:

 

[returntovoid]

Batman in Nolan's film is not as vicious as Frank Miller's lunatic characterization from TDKR.

 

[reservoirdog]

Batman in Nolan's film is not as vicious as Frank Miller's lunatic characterization from TDKR.

I'm not asking for a lunatic. The Batman of the past 20 years, in all his titles has been portrayed as being capable of being quite savage. My point is, it is something that developed. Batman became darker and darker throughout the years as he gained experience, and one could argue he lightened up a little in recent years due to having so many strong influences around him in the "Bat-Family."

But anyways, Batman does lose control from time to time, and not just when Frank Miller writes. In Hush, Batman very nearly killed Joker after he thought Tommy Eliot died. I think he loses it at some point during No Man's Land too.

 

[Hound55]

Batman in Nolan's film is not as vicious as Frank Miller's lunatic characterization from TDKR.

In fairness the Batman of Allstar Batman and Robin, TDKR and TDKSA is a bit older and has had more time to become embittered than the version portrayed by Nolan.

The best comparison to a Miller version would have to be made with his work in Batman: Year One.

 

[Mr. Earle]

There have been several great scenes in the comics where Batman almost loses it and kills somebody.

All of them elseworlds. Canon Batman hasnt killed anyone.

I would like to see a scene in the 3rd movie where he snaps and savagely beats someone. I know the interrogation scene with the Joker was supposed to be something like that, but I just didn't get the feeling like he was out of control.

You mean like he broke Maroni's leg with no remorse because he was pissed that Gordon had died? Or that he lost it in the Joker interrogation scene? You might have not felt it but the cops watching from outside were scared ****less by that swat guy!

I could see a scene where Zsasz goes on a murder spree and maybe kills a kid to set Batman off. Or if Black mask tortured somebody. Or even if Jervis Tech (not specifically called Mad Hatter as that would be too campy) had kidnapped a kid and it insinuated he was a pedophile.

People die in Gotham every day. Rachel, his childhood friend died because the joker blew her up and he didnt torture him when he got him. Why would he do that over a kid?

Any of these scenarios could really make Batman snap and beat the crap out of somebody, especially when he may be dealing with guilt over Harvey Dent.

As i said we saw that when Gordon supposedly died. Why do you want to see that again?

IMHO the best batman is the composed, zen batman. I like how there are many versions and analysis on him and i like Miller's but only as an elseworlds analysis and not the canon one.

 

[returntovoid]

In fairness the Batman of Allstar Batman and Robin, TDKR and TDKSA is a bit older and has had more time to become embittered than the version portrayed by Nolan.

You could say it's because he's old but All Star Batman & Robin changes that since it's set years before TDKR and is basically a prequel to it.

The best comparison to a Miller version would have to be made with his work in Batman: Year One.

The Batman in Year One is the classic/traditional characterization of the character.

 

[reservoirdog]

I said *almost* loses it and killed someone. I realize Batman doesn't kill.

And yes, in canonical versions of Batman, such as Hush, Batman does almost lose it.

I know about all those scenes from the movie. I also said in my original post that I didn't get the feeling like he was out of control. Maybe you did. I felt like he was in complete control, just using fear and intimidation like he always does.

For just a split second, not the whole movie, I want to see Batman snap and savagely beat someone. And if you don't think Batman is capable of getting pissed and beating the bejeezus out of a child molester, I would argue you are not familiar with the Batman of the comics.

 

[Hound55]

I still view All Star Batman and Robin to be further into the future of the character than either of the Nolan films and I think most would probably agree with me...

He'd been fighting crime for quite a while before Robin turned up...

As for Nolan's version they haven't even rebuilt Wayne Manor properly since Bruce's first efforts against Scarecrow and Ra's...

 

[The Joker]

Batman lost control big time in the interrogation room scene. He body slammed the Joker onto the metal table, then smashed his head into the window, then repeatedly punched him in the face roaring "WHERE ARE THEY???".

Awesome.

 

[Grommers]

Yeah, I think Batman already lost it, and realized there is no gain from losing it, as all he did was prob piss off Joker more into giving him the wrong addresses.

 

[Hound55]

To me I don't think he lost it.

I think he was in complete control and merely "upped the stakes".

A major point of the movie was whether he would lose control and break his own rules in order to beat a man who had no rules.

He didn't. Hence the "You truly are incorruptible, aren't you?" speech by Joker...

 

[El Payaso]

Definitely the interrogation scene was that.

Batman comes all cool trusting that his scary intimidating and cool persona is going to get into Joker's mind. But no. Joker controlled the situation all the time. By the end of it, Batman was completely disarmed and out of control; the suit, all the growls and ninja trainings were completely useless.

 

[Hound55]

Yes but to me, that was Bats not in control of the situation, not Bats not in control of himself.

The Joker was in control of the situation, but Batman was able to remain in control of his soul, as it were...

 

[Rodrigo90]

Trying to get through Joker,is like screaming at a wall,lol.

But in Hush didnt Batman attack the Riddler,then coldly said

"He fell" or something?

 

[Mr. Earle]

To me I don't think he lost it.

I think he was in complete control and merely "upped the stakes".

A major point of the movie was whether he would lose control and break his own rules in order to beat a man who had no rules.

He didn't. Hence the "You truly are incorruptible, aren't you?" speech by Joker...

If you guys didnt feel that Batman lost control in the interrogation room, then clearly you need to see him feast on intestines to get it.
He is clearly acting scary and all until the Joker tells him he's got Rachel. Thats when he snaps and beats the crap out of him. Right before the Joker gives him the addresses you can hear him venting like mad! Did he have to send him to the ICU for you to get it?
Also, he didnt quite lose it with Maroni but he clearly had no time for bull**** and became overly violent.

 

[reservoirdog]

Trying to get through Joker,is like screaming at a wall,lol.

But in Hush didnt Batman attack the Riddler,then coldly said

"He fell" or something?

He almost killed the Joker, then Gordon pulled a gun on him and talked him out of it.

 

[Rodrigo90]

He almost killed the Joker, then Gordon pulled a gun on him and talked him out of it.

Oh yeah. I forgot that part.

 

[returntovoid]

I still view All Star Batman and Robin to be further into the future of the character than either of the Nolan films and I think most would probably agree with me...

He'd been fighting crime for quite a while before Robin turned up...

In the first canon appearance of Robin, Detective Comics 38 (1940), Batman is very much in control of himself.

And the retelling of Robins first appearance following Year One, was in Dark Victory (sequel to The Long Halloween, which also follows Year One).

 

[reservoirdog]

In the first canon appearance of Robin, Detective Comics 38 (1940), Batman is very much in control of himself.

I realize that. Batman is very nearly always in control of himself. In fact, he is probably more in control than any other hero in any other comic. But my point is, every once in a blue moon, someone commits a crime so heinous, that Batman gets pissed and snaps. He does not kill; he does not permanently maim; but he can get pissed and beat the hell out of someone.

I also don't need to see him feast on intestines, but the beating he gave the Joker really wasn't that bad. i think he was in control of himself, he just thought that locking the door and beating on him a little would get him what he wants. The point is he still had a goal by beating the Joker - to extract information.

I want to see a scene where someone commits a crime (maybe kill a child) and Batman catches them and doesn't need anything else from the criminal, but beats him savagely anyway, just to inflict punishment on him. Batman would be capable of this in rare situations.

 

[returntovoid]

^Maybe a scene like in first part of Steve Englehart's Clayface story, where Batman beats to take out frustration at the random criminal, he was facing and flashbacks to when Silver St. Claude broke up with him but instead it should be that the criminal committed a very heinous crime.

 

[Anjow1060]

I honestly think this is a great idea. Batman deals with anger / grief by beating the crapola out of people. That's just who he is. And I think it further separates him from other Superheroes and closer to humanity if he loses his cool every now and again.

"you broke every bone in his body."

"He'll live."

Sorry, but that's b.a.

- Jow

 

[Rodrigo90]

Does anybody imagine Batman 3's teaser poster being like this? I dont. It would suit Bale...but would it suit Batman?

 

[Mr. Earle]

I realize that. Batman is very nearly always in control of himself. In fact, he is probably more in control than any other hero in any other comic.

Hey man, you have a phone call. Its a Clark something. He says he's got news for you!

Btw, i think you guys are asking for something we already got and probably will get again anyway. You just need to be beaten over the head with it because you dont like subtlety.

 

[petey]

Me thinks that Reserviordog is looking for a more violent batman. I will admitt that the fight seen in BB when bruce is in prison was pretty BA imo. especially
"why are you taking me"
"for protection"
"I dont need protection"
"protection for them"
He just wants to see bats go no pun intended Bat-S#!+.