I think I can tell you what the main plot is...

[Bannerless Hulk]

Sava, I'm confused by what you really want to see in this movie. Up until your statement of a couple posts ago, "Personally, i would show Bruce trying for years to find a cure, always thinking he finally found it only it doesnt work," you were saying the whole concept of a cure "is bulls**t" and "f*** the cure." You then seem to suggest that Hulk trying to kill himself would be a better story, but when someone exposes your youth, you admit that Marvel just can't have "the hero or one of (its) heroes running around trying to kill himself." Ultimately, you say that it's not exactly a cure that bothers you, "but this type of Hero having to choose to be a hero or a normal person" and that "if you are going this route, you have to do something no one has done before, show it from a different angle or what ever." Okay, so what is that angle?

And you're just tired of NYC, I take it. Because it's going to double as both the place where everything happens and the TIH substitute to Mary Jane. Well, since we already saw the West Coast in the first movie, in your mind is there a better location than NYC? Should Hulk and Abomy duke it out in a meaningless battle in Australia? Rio de Janeiro (where they're shooting)? The North Pole? Where? You're also not a fan of Zak Penn - a fact that's permanently etched in our minds - but is there ANY script that will work for you at this point? What should Bruce Banner REALLY be doing in TIH? If it's a cure that he's looking for, then how should it be done?

Please impart on us the things Louis Letterier and Zak Penn will have to do for you to be even remotely satisfied. You've been pretty bold with your comments around here, so I fully expect you will be able to lay out a blueprint that gives us the perfect, original script that resists all criticism. We're a little overdue for the genius ideas you've been keeping to yourself, don't you think?

 

[Cracker Jack]

Bashing Sava will not earn you any brownie points Bannerless. Besides that Sava's my friend.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, it wouldn't be permanent cure. t: But the formula to the cure would be destroyed during the battle between the Hulk and Abomy and Bruce would have to start from scratch. Or better yet, The Leader (in The Incredible Hulk; Enter the Leader) breaks Blonsky out of prison and truns him back into Abomy in a plot to take over the world.

Sorry, but it all sounds just too cliche and unimaginative to me. Typical, i finally got excited by this project and then this sypnosis comes out.

see, that would make his choice in TIH pointless, there would be no tention if Bruce creates a cure or if anyone creates a cure. Why would he have to make a hard choice when he can just use what he has now on Abomi and then make some more later on for Hulk.

With TIH, i can think of 4 comicbook movies where the hero has to choose between his powers or a normal life. Exactly what are they going to do thats going to be new and something we've never seen before with that story?

F**k the cure, make it so that Bruce wants to kill himself like in the comics cause he cant take it anymore. THats way more realistic and new than this cure bull crap.


exactly, hmmm... i can either watch Superman 2, Spider man 2 or X3 and now, TIH and all i'll be seeing is the same story, over and over again.

I know, we now already know what happens in the end of the movie, he will have some sort of choice between getting rid of the Hulk or learning to live with it. Hhhhmmm since Marvel wants this as franchise, wonder which one he will choose. Sorry but this all sounds poor to me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Sava, I'm confused by what you really want to see in this movie. Up until your statement of a couple posts ago, "Personally, i would show Bruce trying for years to find a cure, always thinking he finally found it only it doesnt work," you were saying the whole concept of a cure "is bulls**t" and "f*** the cure." You then seem to suggest that Hulk trying to kill himself would be a better story, but when someone exposes your youth, you admit that Marvel just can't have "the hero or one of (its) heroes running around trying to kill himself." Ultimately, you say that it's not exactly a cure that bothers you, "but this type of Hero having to choose to be a hero or a normal person" and that "if you are going this route, you have to do something no one has done before, show it from a different angle or what ever." Okay, so what is that angle?

And you're just tired of NYC, I take it. Because it's going to double as both the place where everything happens and the TIH substitute to Mary Jane. Well, since we already saw the West Coast in the first movie, in your mind is there a better location than NYC? Should Hulk and Abomy duke it out in a meaningless battle in Australia? Rio de Janeiro (where they're shooting)? The North Pole? Where? You're also not a fan of Zak Penn - a fact that's permanently etched in our minds - but is there ANY script that will work for you at this point? What should Bruce Banner REALLY be doing in TIH? If it's a cure that he's looking for, then how should it be done?

Please impart on us the things Louis Letterier and Zak Penn will have to do for you to be even remotely satisfied. You've been pretty bold with your comments around here, so I fully expect you will be able to lay out a blueprint that gives us the perfect, original script that resists all criticism. We're a little overdue for the genius ideas you've been keeping to yourself, don't you think?

You sure your not getting me mixed up with Sava? I'm the one who hates ZP.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Sorry, but it all sounds just too cliche and unimaginative to me. Typical, i finally got excited by this project and then this sypnosis comes out..

Ok, what would you like to see. (And I mean besides Ang Lee come back and do a direct sequel). j/k t:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok, what would you like to see. (And I mean besides Ang Lee come back and do a direct sequel). j/k t:

I cant think of anything outright (i'm not a screenwriter am I ) but something new that hasnt been done before. The hero finding a cure or a way out of his 'responsibility ' has just been done to DEATH.

I'm not just talking about TIH by the way, i have this same fear for Iron Man. BUT, Zak Penn's involvment in TIH just make me worried that little bit more.

In Ang's Hulk Bruce Banner seemed integral to the story because of his trauma and past, here he just sounds like he will be the typical super hero character.

 

[Sentinel X]

Is giving up the message you want to send out? Killing yourself is never a good thing PERIOD! Depends on the context? You're kidding right.

No...not really.
Its called sacrifice, Banner sacrificing himself would show how much he wants to be a hero; doesn't necessarily mean that he is dealing with depression and is just looking for a quick outing. Of course he wont kill himself at the end but tampering with the idea would give the story a nice emotional touch. Suicide can be a good thing depending on the context even though some people may not think so. And I really dont think that this movie should have the same trite message "dont give up"...its been done before, maybe it would be better for Bruce to give up on himself rather than keep thousands of people in danger when he transformers into the Hulk. Thats not cowardly to me.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Bashing Sava will not earn you any brownie points Bannerless. Besides that Sava's my friend.

Who said I'm defending you? I'm asking Sava to stand up like a man and fend for himself. I don't think he needs, nor desires, you as his bodyguard.

You sure your not getting me mixed up with Sava? I'm the one who hates ZP.

No, it's Sava. But if the shoe fits...

(He may say "I don't hate ZP," but he doesn't exactly leave much room for success in TIH, either. ZP has a very slim margin of error with Sava.)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No...not really.
Its called sacrifice, Banner sacrificing himself would show how much he wants to be a hero; doesn't necessarily mean that he is dealing with depression and is just looking for a quick outing. Of course he wont kill himself at the end but tampering with the idea would give the story a nice emotional touch. Suicide can be a good thing depending on the context even though some people may not think so. And I really dont think that this movie should have the same trite message "dont give up"...its been done before, maybe it would be better for Bruce to give up on himself rather than keep thousands of people in danger when he transformers into the Hulk. Thats not cowardly to me.

Now that would be an interesting concept AND something different.

 

[Cracker Jack]

I cant think of anything outright (i'm not a screenwriter am I ) but something new that hasnt been done before. The hero finding a cure or a way out of his 'responsibility ' has just been done to DEATH.

I'm not just talking about TIH by the way, i have this same fear for Iron Man. BUT, Zak Penn's involvment in TIH just make me worried that little bit more.

In Ang's Hulk Bruce Banner seemed integral to the story because of his trauma and past, here he just sounds like he will be the typical super hero character.

I understand your worries about Penn. Here's to hoping.

The thing about the Banner has always been to find a cure or a way to control The Hulk. Sure it's a worn out but it's his the story. And it is a bit different than the rest of the Super heros in as much as Banner can't just take off is costume and not put it back on. He is The Hulk. It’s his struggle with trying to live a normal life while controlling his inner demon (The Hulk). He usually ends up in a situation where he’s working on a cure and all hell breaks loose and he is the only one who can help. He doesn’t want to but he also doesn’t want to see other suffer. The main plot of the movie should be the struggle between him and The Hulk while working on a cure.
Frustration sets in because a lack of results and SMASH there goes another lab. He gets so close to a cure only to see it go up in flames. Becasue of The Hulk. Or is it The Hulk spoiling his plans to get rid of him? Hmmmm interesting

 

[Cracker Jack]

trite message "dont give up"

Trite? Not giving up is trite? Sheesh! Jamon, do you have a twin?

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Ok, what would you like to see. (And I mean besides Ang Lee come back and do a direct sequel). j/k t:

Hey CJ. Does anyone realize that the Hulk's story is just that: Finding a cure while on the run. With all the hoopla going on in this thread about storylines and how cliche this and how cliche that is, do we ever stop to think that this is the Hulk's story period. I mean you can tell stories about being on the run (part of his story) and trying to find a cure and all. THAT IS THE BASE story. What ever gets him to that point is what we should be imaginative about, not his purpose which is to FIND A CURE. HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE A MONSTER! So, yeah he makes the cliched choice between good and evil and sacrifices his normalcy for it. This is not a normal superheros story people. Guys like Spiderman are stuck being who they are with no cure. We saw in SP2 where he wanted no more of being Spidey but was forced into being just that. It was cliche but SP2 was a great movie. So let TIH be what it is and that is being on the run and trying to find a cure. THAT IS HIS STORY. A true Hulk fan would understand the concept. What we want is to be entertained in the process.

 

[Sentinel X]

Now that would be an interesting concept AND something different.

Nice to someone else who agrees with me. As far as I know, no superhero film has ever had the main charecter think about killing him/herself.

Trite? Not giving up is trite? Sheesh! Jamon, do you have a twin?

So you think its a new and fresh idea?

 

[Cracker Jack]

Who said I'm defending you? I'm asking Sava to stand up like a man and fend for himself. I don't think he needs, nor desires, you as his bodyguard.

No one said you were defending me. Were you? Where do you come off telling Sava to stand up like a man? There no need to bash someone. Your post seemed demening to me and Sava is a friend. I'll stand in his corner anytime someone trys to bash him.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Nice to someone else who agrees with me. As far as I know, no superhero film has ever had the main charecter think about killing him/herself.


So you think its a new and fresh idea?

Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but the Punisher wanted to commit suicide after his family was murdered. He just couldnt pull the trigger(in his room while drinking). And didn't the Thing wanna jump off the bridge in FF? And Dark Phoenix had moments when she wanted to be killed to end her madness.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Hey CJ. Does anyone realize that the Hulk's story is just that: THAT IS HIS STORY. What we want is to be entertained in the process.

No EB they don't. They want Banner to try to kill himself to show how much he wants to be a hero.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

No EB they don't. They want Banner to try to kill himself to show how much he wants to be a hero.

That is super lame and I think only die-hard Hulk fans understand this concept. Hey if you ever want to exchange real ideas and synopsis', just PM me and we can exchange info. Sometimes it bores me to exchange verbage with people you just want to pointlessly bash and make no sense at all with their opinions. Also, I have some hulk stuff you might be interested in.

 

[Sentinel X]

Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but the Punisher wanted to commit suicide after his family was murdered. He just couldnt pull the trigger(in his room while drinking). And didn't the Thing wanna jump off the bridge in FF? And Dark Phoenix had moments when she wanted to be killed to end her madness.

Well I dont really remember that from the punisher film but I take your word for it...but the Thing did NOT want to kill himself..he just wanted some air (but the guy next to him did if that counts )...But true about Dark Phoenix; but I think in X3 she was more of a villain and certainly not the main hero (she only had her "nice" self appear for a total of like 3 minutes...in the rest of the film she was a zombie basically)

 

[Cracker Jack]

That is super lame and I think only die-hard Hulk fans understand this concept. Hey if you ever want to exchange real ideas and synopsis', just PM me and we can exchange info. Sometimes it bores me to exchange verbage with people you just want to pointlessly bash and make no sense at all with their opinions. Also, I have some hulk stuff you might be interested in.

I'll keep that in mind EB. I enjoy trying to show people how I see The Hulk and what he's all about. It does get boring or more so like trying to pond a nail into a 2x4 with your head. I've got to ask, were you at Hulkmovie.com during the 2003 moive? I'll reply tomorrow. It's getting late and I'm tired of working.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

No one said you were defending me. Were you? Where do you come off tell Sava to stand up like a man? There no need to bash someone. Your post seemed demening to me and Sava is a friend. I'll stand in his corner anytime someone trys to bash him.

Grow up. I wasn't defending you and I wasn't looking for "brownie points" either, idiot. If you think asking Sava questions is categorical "bashing," then I'd hate to see how you react to hangnails. Let Sava answer the questions and go lecture to someone who thinks you have something to say.

 

[Sentinel X]

Okay really the name calling isn't really needed its just opening up a can of worms

 

[EmeraldBeast]

I'll keep that in mind EB. I enjoy trying to show people how I see The Hulk and what he's all about. It does get boring or more so like trying to pond a nail into a 2x4 with your head. I've got to ask, were you at Hulkmovie.com during the 2003 moive? I'll reply tomorrow. It's getting late and I'm tired of working.

I along with Rune designed the site which is Bruno's. To answer your question, yes.

 

[Spider–Man]

Works for me.

 

[weezerspider]

Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but the Punisher wanted to commit suicide after his family was murdered. He just couldnt pull the trigger(in his room while drinking). And didn't the Thing wanna jump off the bridge in FF? And Dark Phoenix had moments when she wanted to be killed to end her madness.

Yeah good point.

And Bruce dieing in order to save lives would be an extremely lame symbolism for Jesus Christ. If any hero would want to kill himself, it would be emo Peter. Keep the suicide out. The cure is pretty lame too. Let Bruce's emotional problems deal with something that hasn't been done before and makes sense.

 

[Sava]

This go with your previous post as well. I think controling or try to control The Hulk/Your anger would be a far better than to offing yourself because you can't find a cure. This is what really drew me to the Hulk. Controling your anger. Sheesh! After awhile, I don't think Banner could handle not being the Hulk. It would be like lossing an arm or a leg. I'v always believed that even though they say they hate each other, they both know they couldn't live without each other.

I see your point. It does make for a good story but everyone has their limit. You know? there is only so much Banner can take, only so much failure. While all the time he's looking for the cure, people around him end up getting hurt.

I'm not saying i wouldnt like to have him on the run. I would very much like to have Bruce on the run than create this cure. I really dont even mind him looking for the cure. He's always done that, looking for it but never actually finding it. But this story makes it sound like he's actually found a cure, thats what i dont like, they have to make a silly story to make this a once in a life time thing. My problem isnt him looking for a cure, its just him finding it. Hulk doesnt need a cure to beat Abomi, he can do that all by himself.