• Independence Day

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I think I can tell you what the main plot is...

Hey EB, is the story you gave, your personal story, or somehow a leak from what you could get at your work (you have inside views haven't you??)

And as for Harper, isn't the guy dead?? i can't remember...

CJ, I like your execution, and I'm happy everybody loves the leader as being just "preparing" his big screen later :woot:
 
Hey EB, is the story you gave, your personal story, or somehow a leak from what you could get at your work (you have inside views haven't you??)

And as for Harper, isn't the guy dead?? i can't remember...

CJ, I like your execution, and I'm happy everybody loves the leader as being just "preparing" his big screen later :woot:
A little of both. You decide what you wanna pull from that.:cwink:
 
Hey EB, is the story you gave, your personal story, or somehow a leak from what you could get at your work (you have inside views haven't you??)

And as for Harper, isn't the guy dead?? i can't remember...
CJ, I like your execution, and I'm happy everybody loves the leader as being just "preparing" his big screen later :woot:

nope, he was still alive and scared s**tless.
 
But I doubt that they are going to use Harper in the new Hulk films.
 
wait, so, in your story, Abomi lives at the end of TIH?

i know Abomi is stronger and whoops Hulk's ass the first time they fight. I thought that his Healing factor was slower and not as good as Hulk's. Like, he can be killed, just the right guy needs to fight him.

Yes. Abomy turns back to Blonsky and Banner stays The Hulk and jumps away. Then in the Rampaging Hulk Banner is real pissed that he has given up his life and as a result The Hulk is much DARKER, (Gray Hulk like) and Abomy comes back with the help of the Leader.
 
Hey EB, is the story you gave, your personal story, or somehow a leak from what you could get at your work (you have inside views haven't you??)

EB: A little of both. You decide what you wanna pull from that

Interesting. I'll be back later. Work has to get done.
 
Yes. Abomy turns back to Blonsky and Banner stays The Hulk and jumps away. Then in the Rampaging Hulk Banner is real pissed that he has given up his life and as a result The Hulk is much DARKER, (Gray Hulk like) and Abomy comes back with the help of the Leader.
why is he pissed?...didnt he just save alot of people?

what do you think about Grey Hulk?... they could use him insted of a super villain for one of the sequels, if we are lucky enough it get one.
 
why is he pissed?...didnt he just save alot of people?

what do you think about Grey Hulk?... they could use him insted of a super villain for one of the sequels, if we are lucky enough it get one.


He's pissed because he's given much so much and is still being hounded. He don't turn into the Gray Hulk but has his attitude which is way darker than Savage Hulk. Kinda like a brooder.
 
He's pissed because he's given so much and is still being hounded. He don't turn into the Gray Hulk but has his attitude which is way darker than Savage Hulk. Kinda like a brooder.
ok.
 
I don't think the Grey Hulk is really necessary for this movieverse.
 
I don't think the Grey Hulk is really necessary for this movieverse.

really?... after Leader and Abomination, they dont really have that strong of a line up. Grey Hulk, you wouldnt need to bring in a villian, he takes care of that.
 
I admit i have liked reading what you guys have been suggesting for the last 2 pages, but again, it is all very cliche and nothing we havent seen before.

I guess we will just have to wait and see.
 
All I know is that if Bruce Banner cures himself and has to turn back into the Hulk to beat Abomination, there better be a very intense/deep conflict in himself on whether he does it or not. We don't need him to "Ben Grimm" it. Watch Fantastic Four to see what I mean ("What'll I do?").
 
Geesh, you guys were moving at warp speed for a while there. It took me like an hour to read through and process everything. At one point, I had probably a million questions, but some of them were answered in between.

Sava, I understand better where you're coming from now. Thank you for the line-item response to my note. One logistical question about the location, though. You said they should "find somewhere that isnt NYC, i'm sure there a citys with big buildings in the US other than NYC." Not to be a jerk, but I just don't see how you accomplish a major plot without involving some major, recognizable city like NYC. Sure, you could have it in St. Louis or Chicago or somewhere, but doesn't that take away from the significance of the battle? I mean, it's not just the buildings that matter. It's the prominence of the place where the battle is taking place and we want the biggest, baddest city there is, don't we? I don't think "just anywhere" works. I am getting a little tired of NYC, though, so I sympathize with you there... but I just don't see how else you accomplish a major plot. Would you rather just have Hulk and Abomy have a momentary touchdown in NYC (2-3 minutes out of a 15-minute battle) and finish the battle in some rural area where we see them do serious damage to the earth? I'm being serious.

Idiot? Well I've been called worst. Sava and I were having a conversation and you come along and try to demean Sava and I’m the idiot? I’ll let it go, Sava has answered your questions. Oh, btw, I hate it when I get a hangnail. owie :oldrazz: :woot:

But that's just it, I wasn't demeaning Sava at all - just trying to enter the freaking conversation. You then twist my words to make it a personal affair, saying I'm "bashing" him, and come to his defense like I'm Megatron or something.

The Abomination is on a rampage. The army can’t stop him, nothing can stop him. Bruce, holding the cure in his hand, a cure he’s been try to develop for year, looks at Betty, tears welling up in his eyes because he knows that this is it, there is no more serum, there’s only enough to cure one. Knowing that the Hulk can’t kill the Abomination because he has a similar healing factor as The Hulk, Bruce give Betty the serum and say, “When I knock him down shoot him with the serum.” An epic battle rages on, Betty and Samuel Sterns look on waiting for the right moment to shoot the Abomination with the cure when the beasts slam into the shelter. There is a huge explosion. Sterns is thrown into a chemical waste storage tank while Betty is thrown clear of the shelter. Picking herself up off the ground Betty shoots the Abomination with the serum......................

That, my friend, ROCKS. A script we can be proud of.

That my friend is a good story, I'm sure this movie is going to be kick-ass and the sequel will amaze us all!

I'm not so sure. Although the perception around here seems to be that I'm some antagonist who's out to senselessly "bash," I actually have sympathized with the ZP doubters to an extent... and I think the here-and-now, trying to come up with a script that works, is as fun as it gets. Who knows if the producers are "reading our wavelengths," as some of us hope? No one does. So that's why I press upon people for answers... because it could be that the best scripts are devised here, by us, and we may never see what we want in the movies themselves. Do you follow? I actually respect what the hell you think... but don't appreciate the counter-bashing and/or twisting of words.

A couple of questions about Abomy, as would follow CJ's script above:

1. Can someone tell me what his persona is when he's a monster? Is he intelligent or he is just some mindless monster that harks back to early horror flicks (e.g., creature from the lagoon)? I'm trying to get a better feel for the battle and how/why he has an edge on the Hulk, who is still at least somewhat intelligent, right? My understanding is the Hulk doesn't exactly think straight, but he's not a complete dumbass either. And, with that intelligence and only slightly inferior strength, I don't see how Abomy kicks Hulk's butt at any point.

2. Assuming we have a cure, if the cure doesn't work on Abomy, then how do we know at the end that he's still Abomy? How is it shown? Does he become like Banner, with the ability to change, but they close the movie with a scene similar to Lee's Hulk? Does he suffer a severe-enough wound that he goes into hiding, more or less, like an animal?

3. Since we seem to have so many reservations about the script, does anyone worry about Sterns taking Abomy under his wings like the Chancellor/Sith Lord takes Anakin/Darth Vader under his? Isn't that regurgitating something we've already seen? Isn't the whole concept of setting up films by preserving characters cliche itself? It's interesting to me that some of you seem to have no problem with this.

Also, is there any possibility we could see the Gray Hulk, sort of as a byproduct of the cure going awry (if only momentary)? Or am I just way off, in left field, etc... the cure should never even come about (as Sava wants it)?
 
When did CJ and i talk about my age? Personally, i would make a R-Rated TIH, that would be my wish. But Marvel wont and never will make a Hulk movie R-rated. I can see what CJ was saying and his point makes alot of sense and i agreed with him. :huh:

You didn't; it was implied. Reference post #43 and everything thereafter on page 2 of this thread. People with like minds can disagree, but I see no sense in "suicide" ever. Comparisons to Jesus? Okay, but that's sacrifice - not suicide. Otherwise the same formula that's been used in every hero movie ever conceived - because it's the best story and Biblical, at that. Movie-makers wouldn't waste their time or money, otherwise.

Sacrifice: A person lays down his life for a friend.

Suicide: The ultimate act of selfishness.
 
just trying to enter the freaking conversation.

That was three pages ago wasn't it. It's behind us.

As far as his persona, I think you're asking about Abomy. He's ruthless. imagine Talbot from Angs movie with the Hulks power amped up about 100%. At least that’s how I see him. He only has a temporary edge. His base strength (in the comic) is higher than The Hulks but he doesn’t get stronger as he get madder. He could seriously hurt the Hulk at the get go.

The thing about the Hulks intelligence is he’s not a moron. He just can’t think straight. His mind is clouded Abomy doesn’t have that problem for some reason.

As far as the cure goes that’s just my speculation, I doubt that it will play out that way. But if it did Abomy, after getting the cure, would turn back to Blonsky seemingly cured. (He’d be back in the sequel. If there is one.) I like your idea. He could very be injured by the Hulk to the point of crawling and hiding like an animal would. Good idea actually. Hope that helps. I know I'm getting hyped when these ideas starts flowing so easily. I can't wait
 
That was three pages ago wasn't it. It's behind us.

As far as his persona, I think you're asking about Abomy. He's ruthless. imagine Talbot from Angs movie with the Hulks power amped up about 100%. At least that’s how I see him. He only has a temporary edge. His base strength (in the comic) is higher than The Hulks but he doesn’t get stronger as he get madder. He could seriously hurt the Hulk at the get go.

The thing about the Hulks intelligence is he’s not a moron. He just can’t think straight. His mind is clouded Abomy doesn’t have that problem for some reason.

As far as the cure goes that’s just my speculation, I doubt that it will play out that way. But if it did Abomy, after getting the cure, would turn back to Blonsky seemingly cured. (He’d be back in the sequel. If there is one.) I like your idea. He could very be injured by the Hulk to the point of crawling and hiding like an animal would. Good idea actually. Hope that helps. I know I'm getting hyped when these ideas starts flowing so easily. I can't wait
From what I'm getting Abomb will taste defeat at the hands of the Hulk and be back in Hulk 3 along with the Leader. Gotta pack my bags as I'm headed to San Diego! Comic-con here I come!
 
From what I'm getting Abomb will taste defeat at the hands of the Hulk and be back in Hulk 3 along with the Leader. Gotta pack my bags as I'm headed to San Diego! Comic-con here I come!

That works for me. I'm a very happy guy. Are you gona meet up with Bruno and Scandy? They'll be there as well. Bring back the goods EB.
 
Geesh, you guys were moving at warp speed for a while there. It took me like an hour to read through and process everything. At one point, I had probably a million questions, but some of them were answered in between.

Sava, I understand better where you're coming from now. Thank you for the line-item response to my note. One logistical question about the location, though. You said they should "find somewhere that isnt NYC, i'm sure there a citys with big buildings in the US other than NYC." Not to be a jerk, but I just don't see how you accomplish a major plot without involving some major, recognizable city like NYC. Sure, you could have it in St. Louis or Chicago or somewhere, but doesn't that take away from the significance of the battle? I mean, it's not just the buildings that matter. It's the prominence of the place where the battle is taking place and we want the biggest, baddest city there is, don't we? I don't think "just anywhere" works. I am getting a little tired of NYC, though, so I sympathize with you there... but I just don't see how else you accomplish a major plot. Would you rather just have Hulk and Abomy have a momentary touchdown in NYC (2-3 minutes out of a 15-minute battle) and finish the battle in some rural area where we see them do serious damage to the earth? I'm being serious.
yeah, you are right when you say that they need to fight somewhere that people all over the world recognize and NYC would be the place. This is the only reason, i can think of, why Marvel would want to use NYC. Personally, i'm tired of seeing super hero's in NYC. Thats one of the things i like about the first movie, they stayed away for that place. I think LA could work, a little fight near the hollywood sign. I dont think people really would care that much if the fight took place somewhere else, yes, NYC does add a bit to the fight but not so much as to say that the fight cant take place anywhere else.

I dont want them to fight in NYC for 4 mins and then go somewhere else, i'd like for them to fight in one place.





A couple of questions about Abomy, as would follow CJ's script above:

1. Can someone tell me what his persona is when he's a monster? Is he intelligent or he is just some mindless monster that harks back to early horror flicks (e.g., creature from the lagoon)? I'm trying to get a better feel for the battle and how/why he has an edge on the Hulk, who is still at least somewhat intelligent, right? My understanding is the Hulk doesn't exactly think straight, but he's not a complete dumbass either. And, with that intelligence and only slightly inferior strength, I don't see how Abomy kicks Hulk's butt at any point.
Abomination isnt just a little bit stronger, he's alot stronger than Hulk, well, Hulk's base level strength anyway. Its when Hulk gets punched arround and starts to get pissed even more, then his anger level rises, hence causing his strangth to go up as well. So, Abomination can handle a normal Hulk.

Abomination still has Emil's intelligence, Hulk's not a dumbass but Abomination is a rocket scientist.


2. Assuming we have a cure, if the cure doesn't work on Abomy, then how do we know at the end that he's still Abomy? How is it shown? Does he become like Banner, with the ability to change, but they close the movie with a scene similar to Lee's Hulk? Does he suffer a severe-enough wound that he goes into hiding, more or less, like an animal?
based on what CJ has said, the cure will work for sure, you can end the movie with Leader kidnaping Emil so he can turn him back to Abomination and use him against Hulk.
3. Since we seem to have so many reservations about the script, does anyone worry about Sterns taking Abomy under his wings like the Chancellor/Sith Lord takes Anakin/Darth Vader under his? Isn't that regurgitating something we've already seen? Isn't the whole concept of setting up films by preserving characters cliche itself? It's interesting to me that some of you seem to have no problem with this.
If it was my choice, i would keep Abomination away from the leader. You can setup the leader in TIH for TIH 2 but kill off Abomination in TIH. So, you get Leader and his androids/mandroids vs Hulk vs Army.

Also, is there any possibility we could see the Gray Hulk, sort of as a byproduct of the cure going awry (if only momentary)? Or am I just way off, in left field, etc... the cure should never even come about (as Sava wants it)?
I think, in the cartoon show from the 90's, the cure didnt work, it only unleashed Grey Hulk. I wouldnt mind seeing Joe Fixit. Always loved the character.
 
You didn't; it was implied. Reference post #43 and everything thereafter on page 2 of this thread. People with like minds can disagree, but I see no sense in "suicide" ever. Comparisons to Jesus? Okay, but that's sacrifice - not suicide. Otherwise the same formula that's been used in every hero movie ever conceived - because it's the best story and Biblical, at that. Movie-makers wouldn't waste their time or money, otherwise.

Sacrifice: A person lays down his life for a friend.

Suicide: The ultimate act of selfishness.

but i dont really think Bruce taking his life would be selfish. He's sacrificing his life to save others, the world even, from Hulk. As far as he's concerned, Hulk is everything he doesnt want to be, Hulk is what he think is evil. Ofcourse, we know Hulk isnt that but he doest, all he sees is the distruction and hurt Hulk causes to everything and everyone around him.
 
From what I'm getting Abomb will taste defeat at the hands of the Hulk and be back in Hulk 3 along with the Leader. Gotta pack my bags as I'm headed to San Diego! Comic-con here I come!
good luck and the ending sounds good.
 
From what I'm getting Abomb will taste defeat at the hands of the Hulk and be back in Hulk 3 along with the Leader. Gotta pack my bags as I'm headed to San Diego! Comic-con here I come!

That's good to hear. I said that in a sequel to TIH, Abomination returns with The Leader in my TIH script/ending thing.

If you think about it, in the sequel to TIH, will Abomination be on Leader's side? Will there be a massive fight between Hulk, Ross/Military, Abomination, and the Leader. Leader won't be at the fight he will just be sending androids or gamma powered monsters?, think about it, everyone against Hulk and he is just getting madder and madder, destroying the military as like they are toys. It'd be great!

Enough of my ideas though, lets atleast watch this movie and then think about a sequel. BRING ON COMIC-CON!
 
As far as his persona, I think you're asking about Abomy. He's ruthless. imagine Talbot from Angs movie with the Hulks power amped up about 100%. At least that’s how I see him. He only has a temporary edge. His base strength (in the comic) is higher than The Hulks but he doesn’t get stronger as he get madder. He could seriously hurt the Hulk at the get go.

The thing about the Hulks intelligence is he’s not a moron. He just can’t think straight. His mind is clouded Abomy doesn’t have that problem for some reason.

As far as the cure goes that’s just my speculation, I doubt that it will play out that way. But if it did Abomy, after getting the cure, would turn back to Blonsky seemingly cured. (He’d be back in the sequel. If there is one.) I like your idea. He could very be injured by the Hulk to the point of crawling and hiding like an animal would. Good idea actually. Hope that helps. I know I'm getting hyped when these ideas starts flowing so easily. I can't wait

Definitely... thanks.

Abomination isnt just a little bit stronger, he's alot stronger than Hulk, well, Hulk's base level strength anyway. Its when Hulk gets punched arround and starts to get pissed even more, then his anger level rises, hence causing his strangth to go up as well. So, Abomination can handle a normal Hulk.

I'm not going to dig it up, but at some point in this discussion, someone said he was only "slightly" stronger than the Hulk. I granted that they were correct, but if you're saying it's different, then I'll go with what you're saying.

Abomination still has Emil's intelligence, Hulk's not a dumbass but Abomination is a rocket scientist.

And I didn't realize this.

but i dont really think Bruce taking his life would be selfish. He's sacrificing his life to save others, the world even, from Hulk. As far as he's concerned, Hulk is everything he doesnt want to be, Hulk is what he think is evil. Ofcourse, we know Hulk isnt that but he doest, all he sees is the distruction and hurt Hulk causes to everything and everyone around him.

Well, let's be clear then. He's either sacrificing his life or committing suicide... two words with entirely different meanings. I don't think anyone wants to see him just running around trying to kill himself.

Everything else, I'm a-okay with. Btw, has anyone seen the new Marvel stamps? I picked up two sheets last night before they were even in the USPS system. This Chicago Tribune article says they are being premiered today at CC.
 

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