Fant4stic I think this deserves its own thread...Josh Trank denounces Fantastic Four

[Jaxon]

I put the blame more at the feet of internet fans who were trashing the concept of this movie from the day it was announced, to them taking the ultimates route, then a young cast etc etc.
Internet warriors have just been trying to destroy this movie from day 1. Fox reacted to both the pressure on the movie to cut their losses and the weird mess with Trank was probably enough for them to just wipe this movie off. doing cost calculations on what they could get off marvel for the rights still basically will see them make a handsome profit.

 

[Tehmeh]

I wonder how much of the announced budget they cut. Especially weird, if they had to do costly reshoots afterwards.

 

[First Avenger]

Taylor's not an awful director, but he's not a blockbuster director. I'm not even sure he's a movie director. Just a TV director.

Yeah.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

For a young director, if he was pushed around, had three goddam set pieces gutted from the movie barely days before production began and then having to piece together a puzzle, it's easy to see how he would melt down, not that it's okay but people who don't make movies just don't realize the process behind it, how hard it is, and for Trank to go from Chronicle, a 12 million bucks studio movie with total creative control (Landis confirmed) to something of this size is daunting. A lot of people (not all of them, I say a lot) on the internet mostly are quick to assign blame to the director because hey, he's the director, as we've seen, it is so much more complicated then that, it reminds me of those who deride this or that screenwriter because his script was bad when there were several writers on the project and there's no way of knowing who wrote what, when, who gets credit, who gets a WGA credit even though he only contributed like 20 % to the movie, etc, etc.

I don't think we can use examples of Gareth Edwards or Colin Trevorrow because those guys had a really good circle of producers, and creatives surrounding them and seemed to have been fairly free with the movie they wanted to make when Josh Trank seems to have been micromanaged on every single aspect.

I don't believe a word Trank says, as he has clearly been lying for months.

 

[SyntaxError]

I put the blame more at the feet of internet fans who were trashing the concept of this movie from the day it was announced, to them taking the ultimates route, then a young cast etc etc.
Internet warriors have just been trying to destroy this movie from day 1. Fox reacted to both the pressure on the movie to cut their losses and the weird mess with Trank was probably enough for them to just wipe this movie off. doing cost calculations on what they could get off marvel for the rights still basically will see them make a handsome profit.

Doesn't make sense because most of the movie (at least he first half) is still Tranks original idea, with the horror influences and all that.

I don't think anyone was criticising the young cast nor the ultimates direction. The casting of Michael B. Jordan was a point of contention but they kept him on board so obviously they aren't affected much by fan opinion.

I think it was more of a matter of Fox realising that Trank's movie lacked action, tried to inject it in reshoots, but ended up ruining the movie even more.

 

[ThePhantasm]

The action wasn't added in because of internet fans, but because of poor test screenings. The internet fans did not ruin this movie at all. That's a ridiculous claim.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

I don't believe a word Trank says, as he has clearly been lying for months.

What are you talking about? The stuff I mention comes from the Collider Movie Talk where people from the industry discussed the FF situation, and what they heard from multiple sources close to the production. It's not anything Trank has said personally.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What are you talking about? The stuff I mention comes from the Collider Movie Talk where people from the industry discussed the FF situation, and what they heard from multiple sources close to the production. It's not anything Trank has said personally.

And plenty of others have said differently. Already talk of him being maniac and aggressive with cast and crew.

I ask again, how do you think Trank lost the Star Wars job if he didn't fail miserably here?

 

[Tehmeh]

I don't trust anyone. Trank may be out of control, and the studio people can be all PR and lies. That's why I need that behind the scenes - documentary. Rated R, please. Or M.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

And plenty of others have said differently. Already talk of him being maniac and aggressive with cast and crew.

I ask again, how do you think Trank lost the Star Wars job if he didn't fail miserably here?

But you said "I don't believe anything Trank says", I tell you he didn't say those things, those are sources talking about this stuff, close to the production, and to that, you tell me "and plenty of others have said differently."

Huh? Don't change the subject.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

From what I read Trank intentionally sabotaged this movie because Fox cut three action scenes right before production began and changed other things in the script Trank wanted. So from there he did stuff like show up on set completely wasted etc.

 

[ThePhantasm]

From what I read Trank intentionally sabotaged this movie because Fox cut three action scenes right before production began and changed other things in the script Trank wanted. So from there he did stuff like show up on set completely wasted etc.

Before production began? So why didn't Trank just quit over "creative differences" like other directors would have in that situation, instead of acting like an ***hole?

 

[chamber-music]

Ironically the whole "body horror/powers as a curse" idea works far better for the Inhumans than FF. They actually used it with Raina on AoS last season.

A body horror superhero film would be perfect for something like Swamp Thing as well.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

From what I read Trank intentionally sabotaged this movie because Fox cut three action scenes right before production began and changed other things in the script Trank wanted. So from there he did stuff like show up on set completely wasted etc.

Where the hell did you read that Trank "intentionally" sabotaged the movie? I've been following everything on the subject and this has been seen nowhere, if anything, Fox has sabotaged the movie and Trank self-sabotaged himself in some ways.

 

[MadVillainy]

Tim Riggins you keep using that one Collider source for the whole 3 set pieces cut. Do you have any others?

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Where the hell did you read that Trank "intentionally" sabotaged the movie? I've been following everything on the subject and this has been seen nowhere, if anything, Fox has sabotaged the movie and Trank self-sabotaged himself in some ways.

Over on comic book.com that posted a story saying Trank was pissed Fox cut three action scenes that were important to the story HE wanted to tell. Once they were cut, he started acting out ( showing up on set drunk etc).

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Before production began? So why didn't Trank just quit over "creative differences" like other directors would have in that situation, instead of acting like an ***hole?

I am unsure. Maybe he thought he could teach Fox a lesson somehow.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Okay, the comicbook.com is probably using the Collider source and interpreting differently (also, the three set pieces were cut DAYS before production began)

@Blackman: That's because that's how we know about it. Watch the Collider Movie Talk, it'll be more useful than to read about it. John Campea talked to one source who told him that, and a second source (all close to the production) confirmed all the above. He also asked several filmmakers who worked with Fox if that sounded consistent with the stuff they experienced, they said "you have no idea"

Jon Schnepp (director of The Death Of Superman Lives) said that the main visual effects guy on FF was replaced by the studio without them telling Trank about it (nice).


They were all pretty riled up about the situation because as they say, Fox and Trank agreed on a vision for the movie, and when production began, they did not let him do what they agreed upon.

Campea also said he also heard crazy stuff about the movie but since he doesn't have a second source, he can't talk about it just yet.

 

[MadVillainy]

I watched the COllider Movie Talk last night. Still did not convince me for sure that 3 scenes were cut right before filming.

It could happen and yes FOX is notorious for bad decisions. I'm just not sold that's what happened yet.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I put the blame more at the feet of internet fans who were trashing the concept of this movie from the day it was announced, to them taking the ultimates route, then a young cast etc etc.
Internet warriors have just been trying to destroy this movie from day 1. Fox reacted to both the pressure on the movie to cut their losses and the weird mess with Trank was probably enough for them to just wipe this movie off. doing cost calculations on what they could get off marvel for the rights still basically will see them make a handsome profit.

You put more blame on the fans than the studio who hated the IP yet carelessly rushed a film into existence so that they wouldn't lose the film rights and the man-child out of control director whom behaved so badly behind the scenes that he was fired from the Star Wars stand alone film gig?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah it's totally the fans' fault that the film that was supposed to be made for them but wasn't like anything they ever wanted sucks. Sounds legit.

 

[Tony Stark]

I put the blame more at the feet of internet fans who were trashing the concept of this movie from the day it was announced, to them taking the ultimates route, then a young cast etc etc.
Internet warriors have just been trying to destroy this movie from day 1. Fox reacted to both the pressure on the movie to cut their losses and the weird mess with Trank was probably enough for them to just wipe this movie off. doing cost calculations on what they could get off marvel for the rights still basically will see them make a handsome profit.

This is pure fantasy.

 

[Tony Stark]

I watched the COllider Movie Talk last night. Still did not convince for sure that 3 scenes were cut right before filming.

It could happen. And yes FOX is notorious for bad decisions. I'm just not sold that's what happened yet.

Jon is excuse making, because he bought the Kool-aid early on, and was saying for a long time that he had inside sources telling his this movie was fabulous.

 

[ThePhantasm]

This is pure fantasy.

And even if it were true (which it isn't), it still would be FOX's fault for being spineless and unable to stick to their vision and their supposedly "better" film. Fans didn't force anyone to do anything. These choices were all made by the director and the studio.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But you said "I don't believe anything Trank says", I tell you he didn't say those things, those are sources talking about this stuff, close to the production, and to that, you tell me "and plenty of others have said differently."

Huh? Don't change the subject.

Trank started this. Then they brought in "sources" who started defending. Those sources could very well be Trank and even if it is someone else, we don't know who it is and this came out after the fact, not before.

What has been in the air for a long time now is that Trank was miserable on set, ruined a house, and made a mess of a film that Fox had to try and save. So Fox very much interfered, because of Trank being unprofessional and incapable.

He did not lose his job for Disney because Fox "ruined his movie".