Fant4stic I think this deserves its own thread...Josh Trank denounces Fantastic Four

[I SEE SPIDEY]

He obviously wanted to do big budget films because he signed up to direct two. Your admiration for him is silly, there is nothing to admire. If he were actually a brave artist he would have walked away from Fantastic Four before it started shooting. Many directors have done that before.

 

[Raiden]

Why would he "harm his career?" Probably because HE DOESN'T CARE about making franchise films with big corporate film studios. He'll most likely continue to create smaller, more personal projects and distribute them whichever way he feels is best. Not every director is salivating to work on a comic book film or a Star Wars movie. Not every director is ready to lay prostrate in front of some corporate studio, begging for their "big break" and doing whatever it takes to achieve it. Different strokes for different folks. As a fellow creator myself, I wish Trank the best. I admire a person who doesn't hold back and says what they feel, circumstances be damned.

Fox is a big company, they can take a couple of lumps here and there and not lose their status. When the day is done, regardless of whatever goofy rumors circulated on 4chan or who-the-f-cares-where-else, Fox is responsible for how this films does. They made the decision to hire him, they funded the project, and they had final say on the outcome of the film.

I bet in about a year from now, nobody is going to even care about this film, the silly rumors that floated around, or whether or not Josh Trank has a "career' anymore.

If Trank didn't care, he won't have deleted his tweet afterward (even though it was too late anyway). If he wants to burn the bridges, he should've just leave the tweet up as it is and damn the consequences, instead of deleting the tweet and made it look as if he was backtracking.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If Trank didn't care, he won't have deleted his tweet afterward (even though it was too late anyway). If he wants to burn the bridges, he should've just leave the tweet up as it is and damn the consequences, instead of deleting the tweet and made it look as if he was backtracking.

He's a flake. A whiny little flake.

 

[metaphysician]

Because the aim from the get go was not to make a good movie, it was to make a movie with minimum possible budget with the aim of keeping the rights and having as low a loss as possible/making a small profit

In short, Fox had no respect for the property, and no hope that it can make money on a high budget, its really bewildering as to why they are so adamant on hanging to the franchise

I mean, they didn't give a **** about Daredevil rights reverting, I read somewhere that Marvel offered them an extension to the Daredevil rights if Fox gave them shared rights to Galactus and Fox told them to f*** off

The only reason I can think of is it was in spite, they can't stand to see the MCU being successful and they don't wajy them to get their hands on F4 and open up a whole new aspect of cosmic level villains for them

They probably thought Daredevil was worth nothing but I am glad that also bit them in the a** with his critically acclaimed series and leading four other series and Defenders

See, I think they actually *did* give a **** about the Daredevil rights. They refused the extension because they though they could finish Daredevil anyway, keep both, and now know what Marvel really wanted. They just screwed it up. This might be why Fox was so intent on keeping FF: they lost one accidentally, and felt they had to keep the other.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Trank, being the emotional guy he is, was probably glued to the tomatometer. Reading every rotten interview as the score dropped lower and lower. It probably got to a point where he couldn't take it anymore and reacted in the dumbest way possible.

I'm also sure that he immediately felt the fear of regret and took it down. But he already knew the damage was done.

 

[metaphysician]

But not the one we need, right now.

The only fans I'd say who deserve this movie, are the ones who still unreservedly pump and push it, even now.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Trank, being the emotional guy he is, was probably glued to the tomatometer. Reading every rotten interview as the score dropped lower and lower. It probably got to a point where he couldn't take it anymore and reacted in the dumbest way possible.

I'm also sure that he immediately felt the fear of regret and took it down. But he already knew the damage was done.

His response that he had a vision and the critics would have loved it makes me think his rant was knee jerk reaction to the reviews coming in. I feel sorry for him having to see that and even the actors whose faces are clearly on the product. But again his response just gives the image of a 6yr old stamping his feet grabbing his toys, saying "you can't play with them" and going home.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

The new info just reported by various websites about Fox delaying production, forcing changes, and cutting the budget proves what I've been saying ever since we saw the finalized film: at the end of the day, the blame falls squarely on Fox's shoulders. Trank certainly hasn't handled this situation well at all, but again, I've seen the movie and my gut tells me that Fox is almost entirely at fault for the abomination I sat through for two hours. No matter who the director was, it would not have turned out well. Maybe not as bad as it did, but Fox's negligence and disrespect for the property is what sunk this ship before production even started.

I'm very confused. I was told that Fox had "changed", that they were no longer the micromanaging villains that they were once they excised the true devil that was Rothman?

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm very confused. I was told that Fox had "changed", that they were no longer the micromanaging villains that they were once they excised the true devil that was Rothman?

Only when it fits the agenda of X-fans.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

If Trank didn't care, he won't have deleted his tweet afterward (even though it was too late anyway). If he wants to burn the bridges, he should've just leave the tweet up as it is and damn the consequences, instead of deleting the tweet and made it look as if he was backtracking.

True, maybe. Or maybe he just didn't want to get inundated with snarky comments, private messages, and god knows what else. Of course he knows if it goes up, it'll get screen capped---it had hundreds of favorites already, and people were bound to talk about it.

The bridges have already been burnt, and that probably played some part in him putting up that tweet in the first place. Kind of like "eff it, it's over anyway." Good for him, I wish him the best.

 

[C. Lee]

I can't keep up with names....but someone big said that just before the movie went into production that FOX nixed 3 big set action pieces. If this is true....and Trank went ahead and directed it, a lot of the failure is still on him. In the last couple of years 2 director's walked from Marvel films because what they wanted and what the production company wanted differed. He could have done that too.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Nope, according to Trank's fans it was impossible for him to walk away from the project. They haven't given a reason why it was impossible but for some mysterious reason it was.

 

[Eddie]

And yet he was able to quit Star Wars when he found out he was attached to a Boba Fett film...

[BLACKOUT]Yes, somebody really said that after Trank got canned.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Flint Marko]

Trank is scheduled to make a fourth appearance on Kevin Smiths podcast. I'm chomping at the bit to hear what he has to say now.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Criticize a damn corporation all you want but stop trying to throw them under the bus for everything that goes wrong and give the director a pass.

Who in the hell are you talking to? I've never given Trank a pass.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

And yet he was able to quit Star Wars when he found out he was attached to a Boba Fett film...

[BLACKOUT]Yes, somebody really said that after Trank got canned.[/BLACKOUT]

Haha so ****ing true.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Trank is scheduled to make a fourth appearance on Kevin Smiths podcast. I'm chomping at the bit to hear what he has to say now.

I'd be surprised if it happens now honestly

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

And yet he was able to quit Star Wars when he found out he was attached to a Boba Fett film...

[BLACKOUT]Yes, somebody really said that after Trank got canned.[/BLACKOUT]

I recall that ridiculous explanation. There is always a ridiculous far fetched explanation for Saint Trank's behavior and troubles.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'd be surprised if it happens now honestly

Maybe he'll get another mysterious "flu".

 

[Nokio]

Trank isn't to blame at all. His ideas was poor, he decided that he'd change the source material from the Ultimate universe. It doesn't make a bit of sense because the Ultimate universe isn't bogged down by 40 plus years history. While some didn't like that route I was fine with it cause I liked a lot of the ultimate stuff. Now he's screaming its not his fault. Obviously something was there to make the studio fearful enough to order reshoots and rewrites. I'm not sure i believe that the script was too expensive and things were cut, such as whole sections of the movie to save money. I'm not buying be cause I'm pretty the studio had the budget ironed out before shooting began. Yes some productions go over budget but its because reshoots are needed to rework the film for whatever reason. I do not believe Fox just gave Trank a blank check then they stepped in because the budget was too high and they gutted the movie and ordered entire acts not be filmed.

WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID I SOLEY LAY THE ENTIRE BLAME ON FOX. I've said before that Fox is one of the largest film studios on the planet and has been around more years all of us here has been alive. They know how to make movies. They aren't 8th grade film students. They helped usher in the age of comic films with X1. They seen what Marvel has done, they have the rites to a lot of Marvel characters and can piggy back their films off the success of marvel. The average movie goer don't know or care about rites. They see the Marvel logo and think all is connected. Fox execs can hire talented directors and creative teams. My god they can hire people from Marvel to aide in the films. I'm sure Marvel despite not having the movie rites would willing to help on the creative end for profit and or a shared deal. After all Marvel doesn't want their characters turnished like they are right now with 3 failed attempts by Fox. The blame is purly Fox's.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

He obviously wanted to do big budget films because he signed up to direct two. Your admiration for him is silly, there is nothing to admire. If he were actually a brave artist he would have walked away from Fantastic Four before it started shooting. Many directors have done that before.

It sounds like he thought he had a shot at making something he wanted to make, took a go at it, and the Fox suits came down on him. He didn't like it, but went through with it, and said what he had to say about the whole thing when it was done. Good for him.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Trank is scheduled to make a fourth appearance on Kevin Smiths podcast. I'm chomping at the bit to hear what he has to say now.

I'd be surprised if it happens now honestly

Maybe he'll get another mysterious "flu".

That interview was done in one day, but is being released in 4 parts. Not on a week to week type thing.

It was done about two or three weeks ago.

 

[Heretic]

I know that Trank and John Byrne aren't exactly on good terms...but from the sound of it, the ideas he had would have worked much better as John Byrne's Next Men than it did for Fantastic Four.

 

[Orba]

The sad thing is that if Trank had held things together and managed to be professional throughout the production this film could have done his career a lot of good no matter how bad it turned out. Being a guy that was able to hold things together when he is dealt a crappy hand is the sort of thing that gets people noticed with the people who count. His reputation might have taken a hit with the public but the money men would have noticed him as someone who can handle pressure situations.

 

[The Infernal]

I can't keep up with names....but someone big said that just before the movie went into production that FOX nixed 3 big set action pieces. If this is true....and Trank went ahead and directed it, a lot of the failure is still on him. In the last couple of years 2 director's walked from Marvel films because what they wanted and what the production company wanted differed. He could have done that too.

Not to mention that the Thor 2 director waited until he said in interviews that his film was edited into something that wasn't his vision. I've seen some give interviews about how collaboration with a big studio can be too demanding, but I've not seen any act like Trank. Even Whedon handled himself after AoU when he let be known he had no wish to work with Marvel any time soon and made it seem exhausting and frustrating working for a studio on a big film.